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by Mountaineer
Thu Nov 27, 2014 12:38 pm
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Figuring Out Religion
Replies: 4052
Views: 1385818

Re: Figuring Out Religion

Mountaineer, I'm afraid that you're just repeating your own creed to me. Since it's not mine, simply laying it all out again doesn't seem likely to convince me of anything. "All you have to do is trust God's promises" is unsatisfying to me considering that I've never actually heard them; I've only ...
by Mountaineer
Thu Nov 27, 2014 11:46 am
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Figuring Out Religion
Replies: 4052
Views: 1385818

Re: Figuring Out Religion

The thing that I ave such difficulty getting past is the the contradictions and logical failures. For example, I am told that God is supposed to love us. Yet the penalty for not following his difficult-to-understand rules is literally eternal torture . What kind of love has the explicit threat of t...
by Mountaineer
Thu Nov 27, 2014 6:37 am
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Figuring Out Religion
Replies: 4052
Views: 1385818

Re: Figuring Out Religion

For those who have heard the "word" and rejected it, I think they are going to hell. Can you understand how hellish this proposition sounds to everyone except the few who do follow the (forced) path? It's not even a proposition but a threat that sounds like it comes from Kim Jong-un. What sort of d...
by Mountaineer
Wed Nov 26, 2014 7:36 pm
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Figuring Out Religion
Replies: 4052
Views: 1385818

Re: Figuring Out Religion

To Pug, barrett, l8, What then is it you wish to discuss, and moreso - why? ... Mountaineer Do you think, absent the presence of missionaries, that those being proselytized would otherwise come to 'know Jesus' on their own? Why or why not? If the answer is no, do you think they will spend eternity ...
by Mountaineer
Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:38 pm
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Figuring Out Religion
Replies: 4052
Views: 1385818

Re: Figuring Out Religion

To Pug, barrett, l8,

What then is it you wish to discuss, and moreso - why?

... Mountaineer
by Mountaineer
Wed Nov 26, 2014 7:33 am
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Figuring Out Religion
Replies: 4052
Views: 1385818

Re: Figuring Out Religion

Mountaineer, I never got an answer to this question... Pugchief, Sorry, earlier I did not perceive you were seriously asking.  Here are pertinent Scripture passages that address your question. ... Mountaineer Romans 2 English Standard Version (ESV) God's Judgment and the Law 12 For all who have sin...
by Mountaineer
Wed Nov 26, 2014 6:56 am
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Figuring Out Religion
Replies: 4052
Views: 1385818

Re: Figuring Out Religion

You doing okay lately, Desert? You've seemed rather grim recently. Yeah, just fine by my standards; I was born grim, I think.  A few issues have affected me more than usual lately, and both have been discussed recently on the forum: abortion and Ferguson.  Human brokenness bothers me.  The events I...
by Mountaineer
Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:53 pm
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Figuring Out Religion
Replies: 4052
Views: 1385818

Re: Figuring Out Religion

I'm not sure I understand why you're splitting hairs over this. The information in the sources you've presented seems to indicate very clearly that the vast majority of humans--past, present, and possibly future--will not meet the qualifications that they say God has set for entry into Heaven. The ...
by Mountaineer
Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:24 pm
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Immigration reform
Replies: 33
Views: 11891

Re: Immigration reform

So what's the big deal? http://www.pewresearch.org/files/2014/11/executive-action1.png Executive actions on immigration have long history The big deal is in the numbers (e.g. the race is on, obama's is in the lead, rounding the last turn, two years to go, heartbreak is rapidly gaining) and in the c...
by Mountaineer
Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:18 pm
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Figuring Out Religion
Replies: 4052
Views: 1385818

Re: Figuring Out Religion

So, yes, then. It may be incomprehensible to us, but the scriptures seem to make it pretty clear that most humans are going to Hell when they die, no? I am not saying most people are going to hell - That is God's decision and it is not up to me to say who is going or who is not.  God has said what ...
by Mountaineer
Tue Nov 25, 2014 5:19 pm
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Figuring Out Religion
Replies: 4052
Views: 1385818

Re: Figuring Out Religion

So, most of humanity is going to Hell, then? Including most people who call themselves Christians? I do not pretend to understand the mind of God, that is what He has chosen NOT to reveal to us in Holy Scripture.  However, Scripture does state over and over the vast number of people who heard the p...
by Mountaineer
Tue Nov 25, 2014 5:09 pm
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Figuring Out Religion
Replies: 4052
Views: 1385818

Re: Figuring Out Religion

Why does Christianity need missionaries? Wouldn't the proselytized just come to know Jesus naturally? Ohhh, of course not, because they've never heard of him until the missionaries come into the bush to tell them about it. So if the missionaries don't come, these people are just condemned to an ete...
by Mountaineer
Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:06 am
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Figuring Out Religion
Replies: 4052
Views: 1385818

Re: Figuring Out Religion

Sadly, God knows our rebellious hearts.  Holy Scripture reinforces over and over the points made by barrett and pointed stick about the insincere and those who ignore the gift.  One example is below. ... Mountaineer The Parable of the Wedding Feast Matthew, Chapter 22 And again Jesus spoke to them i...
by Mountaineer
Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:08 am
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Immigration reform
Replies: 33
Views: 11891

Re: Immigration reform

It's real. I was just getting ready to turn in my scissors and letter opener, but I can't find any references to this at all. It sounds like one of those periodic knife amnesties where teenage 'shoguns' get dragged into police stations by their mums to hand in the samurai sword and throwing stars t...
by Mountaineer
Mon Nov 24, 2014 4:15 pm
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Immigration reform
Replies: 33
Views: 11891

Re: Immigration reform

Benko wrote:
MachineGhost wrote: This really does feel like the beginning of The End.
Organisms including people have life cycles birth, maturation, death. 

Perhaps countries/societies do as well.
Yes, they do, at least to this point in the space-time continuum.  :-\

... Mountaineer
by Mountaineer
Mon Nov 24, 2014 4:12 pm
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Figuring Out Religion
Replies: 4052
Views: 1385818

Re: Figuring Out Religion

I am hesitant to jump into this any more than I already have, but it seems that barrett and moda both have an underlying unconscious assumption that their progeny are not wise enough to discount what their parents have told them or not told them (indoctrinated them with the parent's worldview).  I k...
by Mountaineer
Sun Nov 23, 2014 4:31 pm
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Figuring Out Religion
Replies: 4052
Views: 1385818

Re: Figuring Out Religion

Since Thanksgiving is rapidly approaching, I thought I would offer my personal thanks to all of you on this thread who have taken the "high road" in comments, questions, new ideas, and in general non-snarkiness in your responses to everything I have posted.  Religion can definitely be a hot topic an...
by Mountaineer
Sun Nov 23, 2014 6:10 am
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Interview: Leader of the Transhumanist Party and 2016 Presidential Contender
Replies: 1
Views: 507

Re: Interview: Leader of the Transhumanist Party and 2016 Presidential Contender

Talk about a yahoo wacko!  Eugenics and the master race reinvented.  Instead of killing off the weak, the undesirable, the ones "not like us", less-than-human man will make other less-than-human men perfect - might take a bit longer than the holocaust but the end result will surely justify the means...
by Mountaineer
Sat Nov 22, 2014 6:53 pm
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Figuring Out Religion
Replies: 4052
Views: 1385818

Re: Figuring Out Religion

Mountaineer, thanks for the explanation. I appreciate it. I hope you can understand how from my perspective, it looks like you chose Christianity because it was culturally familiar and emotionally appealing to you. If you've never actually felt God's presence, or spoken with Jesus, or been touched ...
by Mountaineer
Fri Nov 21, 2014 6:46 pm
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: abortion discussion
Replies: 81
Views: 30700

Re: abortion discussion

I respectfully disagree, Mountaineer. (You and I are in the U.S., and with respect to other forum members, that's what I'm writing about when I say) we are in a secular state, not a theocracy, and some states have the deathy penalty. Once it is a forgone conclusion that there are going to be execut...
by Mountaineer
Fri Nov 21, 2014 5:55 pm
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: New Tool to Detect Government Surveillance
Replies: 8
Views: 1814

Re: New Tool to Detect Government Surveillance

I'm thinking alien, and which planet's government?  Time travel possibility?  Definitely from a wormhole.  :o ... Mountaineer not to mention the moniker "machineghost", that alone has computer infiltration written all over it.. ;) Oh my gosh!  Now I know why his avatar keeps popping up on my screen...
by Mountaineer
Fri Nov 21, 2014 5:51 pm
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: abortion discussion
Replies: 81
Views: 30700

Re: abortion discussion

Does the term "humane death" strike anyone else as an oxymoron? Not really. Does euthanasia of a terminal dog, cat or horse in pain strike you as inhumane? Aren't they God's creatures? Who are we as humans to play God and decide for our loving pet when enough is enough? Why is it any different for ...
by Mountaineer
Fri Nov 21, 2014 5:41 pm
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: New Tool to Detect Government Surveillance
Replies: 8
Views: 1814

Re: New Tool to Detect Government Surveillance

Jeeze, do you people not know how to recognize legitimate websites or use Internet security?  I have a IP blocker, a firewall and and an anti-virus all running live in real time (all top rated, not the commercial marketing fiction garbage).  Plus I can sandbox any suspicious application upon runnin...
by Mountaineer
Fri Nov 21, 2014 2:06 pm
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: abortion discussion
Replies: 81
Views: 30700

Re: abortion discussion

Does the term "humane death" strike anyone else as an oxymoron? Not really. Does euthanasia of a terminal dog, cat or horse in pain strike you as inhumane? Aren't they God's creatures? Who are we as humans to play God and decide for our loving pet when enough is enough? Why is it any different for ...
by Mountaineer
Fri Nov 21, 2014 11:47 am
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: New Tool to Detect Government Surveillance
Replies: 8
Views: 1814

Re: New Tool to Detect Government Surveillance

Benko wrote: I need to thank this board for helping me become properly suspicious.  Those were my first thoughts as well.
Plus another ????

  mountaineer