MediumTex wrote:
What I'm not understanding is how you are adding value through your stock picking efforts if you concede that you aren't gaining any advantage over a passive index for your efforts.
Income from dividends paid by strong companies with a history of growing those payments.
The rights to that income being procured at a favorable price for those companies compared to either their historical price or the current price for the overall market.
If you are saying that you are able to provide some additional returns through your stock picking when
Repeat: Not returns.
The core of your argument seems to be that stocks are the best asset for the long term, and you like a certain type of dividend paying stock the best. The problem is, though, sometimes stocks aren't the best asset for the period of a single investor's investment career (see Japan). How do you deal with this risk that
I'm not sure about dividends on Japanese stocks, but there is no period in U.S. stock market history where dividend paying stocks were not a reasonable form of current income while also providing protection against typical inflation both in asset valuation and income. I don't know of any other asset class which would meet those requirements in and of itself and so everything else must be combined with others to synthesize one or more of those attributes. Therefore I believe that dividend stocks are not only sufficient to meet my needs, but are for the long run also the best choice of investment for any investor who is comfortable managing a portfolio of individual stocks.
something unprecedented (but entirely conceivable) could happen to any stock portfolio?
That should read
any portfolio.
Nothing is safe, even when you put "entirely conceivable" in front of it.
if the success is a result of your own idiosyncratic approach to stock picking? I'm not saying that it doesn't
Actually my approach works and has worked for innumerable people. Dividend growth investing is especially advantageous because it has a more strict explicit bias for strong companies than does normal dividend investing, but investing in strong dividend paying companies has worked for over 100 years for many, many people. Dividends, especially growing dividends, provide a level of safety and compounding that is simply impossible to achieve with non-dividend paying companies.
Perhaps what you are really saying is just that you are comfortable taking more risk and can live with more volatility, and you understand that your increased exposure to risk could expose you to losses that a PP investor is unlikely to be faced with.
Dividend stocks are definitely more volatile than a PP. I don't remember saying that dividend stocks were my only asset class, if so I misspoke because they are not. I don't think you have any logical basis for those conclusions.
I will say that I can live with more volatility. Volatility is never bad in and of itself. By your actions you can make volatility good or bad but by itself it is meaningless. By doing dividend growth investing I've learned to tolerate and even enjoy volatility and turn it to my advantage.
Volatility becomes loss only if you liquidate a temporarily depressed asset (too often this is required, but even more often it is just stupid investor psychology again). Volatility is an advantage if you can accumulate more of a temporarily depressed asset or if you can sell a temporarily overpriced asset. Otherwise volatility is meaningless.
Volatility isn't loss and equating volatility to loss is a fallacy. That's one of two common fallacies relating to volatility, the other is equating volatility to risk as is done by MPT.
What is risk? Or more accurately, what do you consider a risk? The biggest risk of concern to me is not having enough income over the remainder of my life. Risk of capital is a concern, but that only happens for me if companies suffer a significant impairment to future earnings. Even BP hasn't resulted in me losing capital.
When you properly understand what you consider a risk, for most if not all of them you are forced to admit that risk is unknowable for the future and not measurable in the past (which is why MPT was forced to equate risk with volatility in order to have a number to plug into the equations). Therefore neither you nor I know if my portfolio is more risky or less risky than a PP, nor do we know what losses a PP investor might face.
Personally I believe dividend growth to be less risky over my expected lifetime than a PP, but I don't know so I have about 40% of my assets in the PP. (The other 60% is in more of the same assets I have in my PP, except no more Treasuries. You could say I have a big PP with only 10% Treasuries, 18% cash and with extra precious metals and stocks.)