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Re: BTC in the PP

Post by ochotona » Fri Dec 30, 2022 11:41 am

Jack Jones wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:03 pm
Jack Jones wrote:
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Stocks: 25%
Bonds: 20%
Gold: 20%
Cash: 20%
Bitcoin: 15%
15% wow that's heavy. FWIW I will start buying BTC again at lower prices, maybe $10k (where I bought it before, and rode to up to ATH, then sold at $22.5k).
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Post by Smith1776 » Tue Jan 03, 2023 1:32 am

Just added to my Bitcoin VP stash today.
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Post by Smith1776 » Sat Jan 07, 2023 8:37 pm

Fidelity is now including Bitcoin as part of the default allocation in their all-in-one ETFs. Interesting development.


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Post by Smith1776 » Wed Jan 25, 2023 11:56 am

Canada has a multi-cryptocurrency ETF that weights constituents based on market cap.

https://evolveetfs.com/product/etc/

I've started using this in my registered accounts.
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Re: BTC in the PP

Post by Jack Jones » Wed Feb 01, 2023 9:00 am

My thoughts on this have evolved a bit. There are different roles to play in the Bitcoin space. They include miners, speculators, true-believers, capitalists. These roles are not mutually exclusive; you can play multiple at the same time.

I am a capitalist and true-believer: I have wealth to allocate, and I want Bitcoin to succeed for the good of humanity.

On the capitalist side: I think there is great potential here, but also great risk. I don't want to be 100% all in, but I want some chips on the table for this asymmetric bet. What good can a capitalist do for the network? I think they can reduce volatility by dollar cost averaging during quiet/bear markets, and selling during mania.

On the true-believer side:
I'm willing to tithe some money to this cause even if I'm totally wrong and it is eventually worth nothing.

All of this isn't very relevant to the PP. I do still harbor some worries that the gold in my PP will lose its monetary premium over time, but the BTC in my VP insures me from this possibility.
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Post by dualstow » Wed Feb 01, 2023 3:18 pm

Very creative definition of tithe O0
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Re: BTC in the PP

Post by Jack Jones » Fri Feb 03, 2023 6:40 am

dualstow wrote:
Wed Feb 01, 2023 3:18 pm
Very creative definition of tithe O0
Seems appropriate:
A portion of one's annual income contributed voluntarily or due as a tax, especially a contribution of one tenth of one's income for the support of the clergy or church.
Unrelated. I was wondering why the feds are so concerned about cryptocurrencies causing instability to the financial system.
https://home.treasury.gov/system/files/261/FSOC-Digital-Assets-Report-2022.pdf wrote:Crypto-asset activities could pose risks to the stability of the U.S. financial system if
their interconnections with the traditional financial system or their overall scale were
to grow without adherence to or being paired with appropriate regulation, including
enforcement of the existing regulatory structure.11
Fortunately, they state what they're afraid of: It becoming too big (competing w/ USD hedgemony). If the traditional financial system were stable to begin with, it wouldn't be at risk by being interconnected to a smaller, less stable system.

Why aren't they afraid of gold in this way? Because gold is not a financial system. Gold cannot move money around. People must move gold around. Thus at their extremes, the network effect of Bitcoin will be stronger than that of gold, and thus warrants more concern.

I also enjoyed how they made this too an issue of identity politics:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/nec/briefing-room/2023/01/27/the-administrations-roadmap-to-mitigate-cryptocurrencies-risks/ wrote:Many everyday investors who trusted cryptocurrency companies—including young people and people of color—suffered serious losses, but, thankfully, turmoil in the cryptocurrency markets has had little negative impact on the broader financial system to date.
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Post by seajay » Mon Mar 06, 2023 1:07 pm

Here in the UK we're starting to see 'investigations' down to even relatively small amounts. Banks are obligated to flag 'suspicious' activities where that isn't clearly defined, but where if banks are identified as having partaken of moving 'illegal' money they could land in hot water, so as ever when there's ambiguity banks tend to side with caution. They're not supposed to alert individuals that a investigation flag has been waved and await a response or keep the transaction (or account) frozen until either a clearance is returned, or some time passes without any response when the transaction/account can be unfrozen.

Frankly, a mess. That along with street cameras, movement tracking and now financial tracking is making the country more of a Open Prison along with a guilty until proven innocent society assumption.

Know little about bitcoin, but it appears to me that as the Pound/UK financial system moves ever closer to being non-fungible that alternatives will rise to favour. A simple app that maintained short bitcoin to however many you held, negates its price volatility. Only requires common acceptance as a rising alternative to the regular financial system/currency (and the capacity to deal with high/fast volumes of transactions).

No doubt the UK state will try to counter that, such as its already doing in making any conversions between Pounds and bitcoin being flagged/investigated. However the harder that becomes and potentially the more the pendulum is inclined to swing away from regular currency/financial systems. Presently even regular gold coin purchases more often have the transaction frozen pending investigation, apparently one way to reduce that is to not specify 'coin' in the transaction description. I suspect as hard as they may push a BritCoin/Central Bank Digital Currency the less inclined it will be commonly accepted/used. Just too much state intervention/control. Such a largescale swing away from highly controlled could be large and fast, and once established as being seen as 'old school domestic currency/financial systems' - where would that leave the state and regular financial systems. Treat everyone as though guilty by default, and the tendency is to act criminally.
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Post by vnatale » Mon Mar 06, 2023 2:38 pm

I heard during the CPAC (Conservative Political Action Conference) that the Biden family was cited with 150 Suspicious Activity Reports, which banks do to report something that can potentially be criminal.

But after I passed that on to a friend he sent back something from the Washington Post which cited that as being three Pinnochio's.
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Post by seajay » Mon Mar 06, 2023 4:54 pm

I could understand however if it became a simple common bank policy of 'flag all transactions' - so that they remained within the law, had reported all transactions that might subsequently have been identified as having been fraud/laundering. Which a state with the capacity to handle such 'big data' might relish ... central state seeing all financial transactions everywhere, using street cams/facial/car-plate recognition to monitor movements, and phone activities to get inside your head.
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Post by vnatale » Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:36 pm

seajay wrote:
Mon Mar 06, 2023 4:54 pm

I could understand however if it became a simple common bank policy of 'flag all transactions' - so that they remained within the law, had reported all transactions that might subsequently have been identified as having been fraud/laundering. Which a state with the capacity to handle such 'big data' might relish ... central state seeing all financial transactions everywhere, using street cams/facial/car-plate recognition to monitor movements, and phone activities to get inside your head.


Here is what those particular reports are:

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/su ... 0in%201996.
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Re: BTC in the PP

Post by Jack Jones » Sun Mar 12, 2023 2:38 pm

seajay wrote:
Mon Mar 06, 2023 1:07 pm
Here in the UK we're starting to see 'investigations' down to even relatively small amounts. Banks are obligated to flag 'suspicious' activities where that isn't clearly defined, but where if banks are identified as having partaken of moving 'illegal' money they could land in hot water, so as ever when there's ambiguity banks tend to side with caution. They're not supposed to alert individuals that a investigation flag has been waved and await a response or keep the transaction (or account) frozen until either a clearance is returned, or some time passes without any response when the transaction/account can be unfrozen.

Frankly, a mess. That along with street cameras, movement tracking and now financial tracking is making the country more of a Open Prison along with a guilty until proven innocent society assumption.

Know little about bitcoin, but it appears to me that as the Pound/UK financial system moves ever closer to being non-fungible that alternatives will rise to favour. A simple app that maintained short bitcoin to however many you held, negates its price volatility. Only requires common acceptance as a rising alternative to the regular financial system/currency (and the capacity to deal with high/fast volumes of transactions).

No doubt the UK state will try to counter that, such as its already doing in making any conversions between Pounds and bitcoin being flagged/investigated. However the harder that becomes and potentially the more the pendulum is inclined to swing away from regular currency/financial systems. Presently even regular gold coin purchases more often have the transaction frozen pending investigation, apparently one way to reduce that is to not specify 'coin' in the transaction description. I suspect as hard as they may push a BritCoin/Central Bank Digital Currency the less inclined it will be commonly accepted/used. Just too much state intervention/control. Such a largescale swing away from highly controlled could be large and fast, and once established as being seen as 'old school domestic currency/financial systems' - where would that leave the state and regular financial systems. Treat everyone as though guilty by default, and the tendency is to act criminally.
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Re: BTC in the PP

Post by Smith1776 » Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:50 pm

This violent upward move in Bitcoin over just the past day or two was enough to hit a rebalancing band for me. Dang. Talk about volatile.
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Re: BTC in the PP

Post by Jack Jones » Wed Mar 15, 2023 9:48 am

Smith1776 wrote:
Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:50 pm
This violent upward move in Bitcoin over just the past day or two was enough to hit a rebalancing band for me. Dang. Talk about volatile.
As Operation Choke Point 2.0 is underway (1.0 was an Obama-era program) w/ the goal of unbanking the crypto sector, you can expect more volatility.

I believe this is the similar to Executive Order 6102. The debt burden has grown too large, and they need the populace to swallow it by accepting interest rates lower than inflation. This is called Financial Repression. To accomplish it, they need to close the exits from the system.
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