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The steal is on

Post by Libertarian666 » Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:42 am

"‘The Steal Is On’ in Pennsylvania: Poll Watchers Denied Access, Illegal Campaigning at Polling Locations"

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Re: The steal is on

Post by Tortoise » Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:14 pm

For those who don't believe this has anything to do with voter fraud, is the rationale for denying access to poll watchers that their presence would intimidate some voters?
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Re: The steal is on

Post by glennds » Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:13 pm

And coming in on the other flank it's.... the USPS

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/u-s-p ... 1604510041
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Re: The steal is on

Post by Tortoise » Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:14 pm

Tortoise wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:14 pm
For those who don't believe this has anything to do with voter fraud, is the rationale for denying access to poll watchers that their presence would intimidate some voters?
I find it quite interesting that nobody answered my honest and very simple question.
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Re: The steal is on

Post by vnatale » Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:46 pm

Tortoise wrote:
Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:14 pm
Tortoise wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:14 pm
For those who don't believe this has anything to do with voter fraud, is the rationale for denying access to poll watchers that their presence would intimidate some voters?
I find it quite interesting that nobody answered my honest and very simple question.
Can you ask it in a way so that you are describing a specific situation?

Of course, I have on C-Span so I'm already on my second listen of the Giuliani, Trump son press conference.

Neither has high creditability with me. Giuliani's expiration date was long ago.

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Re: The steal is on

Post by Tortoise » Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:32 pm

vnatale wrote:
Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:46 pm
Tortoise wrote:
Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:14 pm
Tortoise wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:14 pm
For those who don't believe this has anything to do with voter fraud, is the rationale for denying access to poll watchers that their presence would intimidate some voters?
I find it quite interesting that nobody answered my honest and very simple question.
Can you ask it in a way so that you are describing a specific situation?
Please read the OP.
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Re: The steal is on

Post by vnatale » Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:19 pm

Tortoise wrote:
Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:32 pm
vnatale wrote:
Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:46 pm
Tortoise wrote:
Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:14 pm
Tortoise wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:14 pm
For those who don't believe this has anything to do with voter fraud, is the rationale for denying access to poll watchers that their presence would intimidate some voters?
I find it quite interesting that nobody answered my honest and very simple question.
Can you ask it in a way so that you are describing a specific situation?
Please read the OP.
As I suspected it was related to the two times I saw the Trump son / Giuliani press conference.

I don't trust anything either of them have to say nor their wild, conspiratorial theories. Therefore the premise falls apart that there is voter fraud going on. Only in the dreams of some.

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Re: The steal is on

Post by Tortoise » Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:44 pm

vnatale wrote:
Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:19 pm
Tortoise wrote:
Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:32 pm
Please read the OP.
As I suspected it was related to the two times I saw the Trump son / Giuliani press conference.
Incorrect. The article linked in the OP mentions neither Trump’s son nor Giuliani.

Here are the first few sentences of the article:
According to Trump 2020 EDO director Mike Roman, Democrat election officials are banning Trump poll watchers all across the city, as one video shows. Another photo on social media shows a physical barrier, which Roman says Democrat officials are using to keep poll watchers far from the counting tables.
Are the video and photo fabricated? Or are they real?

I just want to understand the “other side’s” explanation for why poll watchers were banned entry or reasonable proximity at some of the PA polling places.
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Re: The steal is on

Post by vnatale » Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:54 pm

Tortoise wrote:
Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:44 pm
vnatale wrote:
Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:19 pm
Tortoise wrote:
Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:32 pm
Please read the OP.
As I suspected it was related to the two times I saw the Trump son / Giuliani press conference.
Incorrect. The article linked in the OP mentions neither Trump’s son nor Giuliani.

Here are the first few sentences of the article:
According to Trump 2020 EDO director Mike Roman, Democrat election officials are banning Trump poll watchers all across the city, as one video shows. Another photo on social media shows a physical barrier, which Roman says Democrat officials are using to keep poll watchers far from the counting tables.
Are the video and photo fabricated? Or are they real?

I just want to understand the “other side’s” explanation for why poll watchers were banned entry or reasonable proximity at some of the PA polling places.
But it says the same things that Trump's son and Giuliani were describing so I got the information.

It may all be real. But I don't automatically make what I consider to be a grand paranoid leap to voter fraud. Like voter fraud is going to be committed right out in the open? Did not read the article but was it stated that the Republicans were allowed to use binoculars. That they were only 30 feet away? Both facts out of the mouths of Trump's son or Giuliani.

I think it is all classic grasping at straws.

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Re: The steal is on

Post by Tortoise » Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:59 pm

You still didn’t answer my direct question, Vinny.

I’m not claiming voter fraud as part of my question. I’m asking for someone to provide an alternative explanation for why poll watchers were banned entry or reasonable proximity at some PA polling places.

But something tells me such an answer isn’t forthcoming. This will be the last time I ask the question.
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Re: The steal is on

Post by vnatale » Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:09 pm

Tortoise wrote:
Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:59 pm
You still didn’t answer my direct question, Vinny.

I’m not claiming voter fraud as part of my question. I’m asking for someone to provide an alternative explanation for why poll watchers were banned entry or reasonable proximity at some PA polling places.

But something tells me such an answer isn’t forthcoming. This will be the last time I ask the question.
I can only guess. One guess would not be so as to commit voter fraud.

A guess: A virulent virus is going on and keeping people away is a good idea.

A guess: Someone believes keeping people more than the prescribed 6 feet is a good idea.

A guess: Even if they were allowed within six feet, would you be able to read what was written on an envelope from that area?

A guess: Whoever was running the operation had a grand scheme in place for efficiency or whatever other reasons you and I are unaware of and having them close would get in the way of carrying out this grand plan

A guess: Someone made an innocent error

Finally, if there was some nefarious concerted effort why was it only some and not all? If true voter fraud was being perpetrated then the perpetrators were being quite sloppy in carrying out an effective voter fraud plan.

As usual, for me, these perceived conspiracy theories generally almost always raise more questions than they answer.

Now if you don't believe it was voter fraud, what is your list of guesses for what you think was going on at only SOME of the polling places so as to keep the poll watchers at bay?

Finally, finally I will bet you that there may be no world leader reaction to this while this was plenty and substantial concern expressed by world leaders of what Trump had to see at 2 AM Wednesday morning. That is a far more serious issue of concern.

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Re: The steal is on

Post by vnatale » Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:14 pm

Is there any concern that in a half hour the workers at an Arizona Election Site are ending their work and walking out to the parking lot to their cars? In that parking lot are 100's of Trump protestors with long guns.

What purpose are they serving to scare the people inside the people doing their work and counting the votes?

Vinny

https://nypost.com/2020/11/04/trump-sup ... t-tallies/

Trump supporters protest outside Arizona election center as mail-in votes tallied

By Kenneth GargerNovember 4, 2020 | 11:58pm


A few hundred supporters of President Trump protested outside an Arizona election center on Wednesday night — chanting “count the votes” — as workers inside tallied crucial mail-in ballots from the swing state.
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Re: The steal is on

Post by ahhrunforthehills » Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:12 am

Michigan USPS Whistleblower Claims Late Ballots Received Backdated Postmarks:

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/mic ... -backdated

If there is any truth to this and there is no way to accurately measure the extent of the damage, I could see Michigan being contested with both the Governor submitting his democratic electors and the state legislature submitting their republican electors (causing both to be tossed out in Congress). Both candidates would be short of the 270... then the House would vote in Trump.
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Re: The steal is on

Post by Cortopassi » Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:16 am

ahhrunforthehills wrote:
Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:12 am
Michigan USPS Whistleblower Claims Late Ballots Received Backdated Postmarks:

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/mic ... -backdated

If there is any truth to this and there is no way to accurately measure the extent of the damage, I could see Michigan being contested with both the Governor submitting his democratic electors and the state legislature submitting their republican electors (causing both to be tossed out in Congress). Both candidates would be short of the 270... then the House would vote in Trump.
First off I am totally sick of ZH doom porn and don't visit anymore.

Second, sure would be funny that Trump would put validity toward some random postal service whistleblower while discounting and destroying any and all that came out against him for multiple things -- but par for the course.
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Re: The steal is on

Post by doodle » Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:22 am

No idea...trying to fact check this. What I do know is there was a deliberate attempt to dismantle the postal service by this administration before the election in order to grind the voting mechanisms of american democracy to a halt. That is no conspiracy.

If it's any consolation to anyone here I'm actively pursuing canadian options right now. I don't even care who wins this election anymore. This country is full of too many nutjobs and whether it is this election or one a few years hence this growing phenomenon will make life here increasingly unbearable. I would rather watch this country implode from across an international border.
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Re: The steal is on

Post by ahhrunforthehills » Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:24 am

Cortopassi wrote:
Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:16 am
ahhrunforthehills wrote:
Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:12 am
Michigan USPS Whistleblower Claims Late Ballots Received Backdated Postmarks:

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/mic ... -backdated

If there is any truth to this and there is no way to accurately measure the extent of the damage, I could see Michigan being contested with both the Governor submitting his democratic electors and the state legislature submitting their republican electors (causing both to be tossed out in Congress). Both candidates would be short of the 270... then the House would vote in Trump.
First off I am totally sick of ZH doom porn and don't visit anymore.

Second, sure would be funny that Trump would put validity toward some random postal service whistleblower while discounting and destroying any and all that came out against him for multiple things -- but par for the course.
I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it. Twitter has not been flagging claims that were posted over 7 hours ago (and retweeted by the Trumps) as "Some or all of the content shared in this Tweet is disputed and might be misleading about an election or other civic process."

For example:

https://twitter.com/Project_Veritas/sta ... 3115172865

Biden can also investigate for Republican fraud. Both parties can play the game. However, the strategy doesn't work for Biden because Trump will not have 270 regardless. The reality is that if Biden had a larger lead in Electoral Votes or larger leads in these state elections, these types of disputes wouldn't matter.
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Re: The steal is on

Post by doodle » Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:27 am

Cortopassi wrote:
Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:16 am
ahhrunforthehills wrote:
Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:12 am
Michigan USPS Whistleblower Claims Late Ballots Received Backdated Postmarks:

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/mic ... -backdated

If there is any truth to this and there is no way to accurately measure the extent of the damage, I could see Michigan being contested with both the Governor submitting his democratic electors and the state legislature submitting their republican electors (causing both to be tossed out in Congress). Both candidates would be short of the 270... then the House would vote in Trump.
First off I am totally sick of ZH doom porn and don't visit anymore.

Second, sure would be funny that Trump would put validity toward some random postal service whistleblower while discounting and destroying any and all that came out against him for multiple things -- but par for the course.
How many predictions has ZH been right about anyways? This conspiracy thing is a strange phenomenon of the conservative brain. It's like some deep seated evolutionary neurons in a segment of our population get lit up by these fantastical stories...whether it thermite in the twin towers, chemtrails, democratic lizard people pedophile rings. It's literal insanity. And the smarter individuals on this site somehow get sucked into it as well. It's astoundingly terrifying.
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Re: The steal is on

Post by Cortopassi » Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:30 am

doodle wrote:
Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:27 am
Cortopassi wrote:
Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:16 am
ahhrunforthehills wrote:
Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:12 am
Michigan USPS Whistleblower Claims Late Ballots Received Backdated Postmarks:

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/mic ... -backdated

If there is any truth to this and there is no way to accurately measure the extent of the damage, I could see Michigan being contested with both the Governor submitting his democratic electors and the state legislature submitting their republican electors (causing both to be tossed out in Congress). Both candidates would be short of the 270... then the House would vote in Trump.
First off I am totally sick of ZH doom porn and don't visit anymore.

Second, sure would be funny that Trump would put validity toward some random postal service whistleblower while discounting and destroying any and all that came out against him for multiple things -- but par for the course.
How many predictions has ZH been right about anyways? This conspiracy thing is a strange phenomenon of the conservative brain. It's like some deep seated evolutionary neurons in a segment of our population get lit up by these fantastical stories...whether it thermite in the twin towers, chemtrails, democratic lizard people pedophile rings. It's literal insanity. And the smarter individuals on this site somehow get sucked into it as well. It's astoundingly terrifying.
Chemtrails, ahhh, simpler days. My boss was really into those 2 summers ago. What happened to that? :P
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Re: The steal is on

Post by doodle » Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:37 am

I've just taken a quick look at some of these right-wing sights. I don't know why I expected anything different. Completely insane accusations.

There is a saying, it's difficult to debate a genius, but it's impossible to debate a moron.

Here is a ZH prediction, this country is fucked if someone doesn't get a handle on the right wing nutjobbery in this country.

Someone needs to shut Giuliani up. That man has serious mental issues.
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Re: The steal is on

Post by ahhrunforthehills » Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:37 am

doodle wrote:
Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:27 am
Cortopassi wrote:
Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:16 am
ahhrunforthehills wrote:
Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:12 am
Michigan USPS Whistleblower Claims Late Ballots Received Backdated Postmarks:

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/mic ... -backdated

If there is any truth to this and there is no way to accurately measure the extent of the damage, I could see Michigan being contested with both the Governor submitting his democratic electors and the state legislature submitting their republican electors (causing both to be tossed out in Congress). Both candidates would be short of the 270... then the House would vote in Trump.
First off I am totally sick of ZH doom porn and don't visit anymore.

Second, sure would be funny that Trump would put validity toward some random postal service whistleblower while discounting and destroying any and all that came out against him for multiple things -- but par for the course.
How many predictions has ZH been right about anyways? This conspiracy thing is a strange phenomenon of the conservative brain. It's like some deep seated evolutionary neurons in a segment of our population get lit up by these fantastical stories...whether it thermite in the twin towers, chemtrails, democratic lizard people pedophile rings. It's literal insanity. And the smarter individuals on this site somehow get sucked into it as well. It's astoundingly terrifying.
I don't disagree about ZH. They obviously propose subjects that you need to vet for yourself. However, they introduce you to topics that are hard to even be aware of due to media bias.

As far as this alleged whistleblower is concerned, you can watch the interview at: https://www.projectveritas.com/news/mic ... scheme-to/
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Re: The steal is on

Post by doodle » Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:41 am

I'm trying to do more investigation into the matter.

The problem right now and for a while has been allowing these nutjobs too much chain. People like Alex Jones for example...he has done more damage to this nation than Al Qaeda...and I'm not joking about that.
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Re: The steal is on

Post by doodle » Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:47 am

Ok, I listened to the interview. Bring him forward. Hear his case. Right off the bat, the way he speaks....doesn't sound like your typical mail sorter.

If you are a believer in conspiracy theories I'd be more apt to believe one in which this story was entirely concocted by a ring wing nut job apparatus....like the group of men in that state that plotted to kidnap and murder the governor. So far what I've seen, the nutjobbery on the right is far more intense and capable of this shit.
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Re: The steal is on

Post by ahhrunforthehills » Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:53 am

I understand 100% where you are coming from. But keep in mind, you don't need fraud to occur. Even negligence will do it.

Not to point out the obvious... but USPS is completely unreliable.

I have mailed hundreds of thousands pieces of mail over the past decade. I have had first-class mail returned to me (i.e. "Return to Sender)... 8 years later. Crazy.

It boggles my mind how much mail never actually reaches its destination. I literally used to go to the post office with a printout of postal regulations because the people there do not know how to do their jobs (even the managers).

In fact, without getting into specifics, there are a lot of businesses that know how to leverage USPS's laziness (i.e. knowing they will reliably cut-corners 100% of the time) to their advantage.

Allowing USPS workers to be involved in an election (to the extent that it could change an election outcome) is begging for cases of negligence. Because of covid, the USPS has a ENORMOUS role in this election. That is a liability for Biden as these investigations go forward.
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Re: The steal is on

Post by doodle » Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:55 am

ahhrunforthehills wrote:
Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:53 am
I understand 100% where you are coming from. But keep in mind, you don't need fraud to occur. Even negligence will do it.

Not to point out the obvious... but USPS is completely unreliable.

I have mailed hundreds of thousands pieces of mail over the past decade. I have had first-class mail returned to me (i.e. "Return to Sender)... 8 years later. Crazy.

It boggles my mind how much mail never actually reaches its destination. I literally used to go to the post office with a printout of postal regulations because the people there do not know how to do their jobs (even the managers).

In fact, without getting into specifics, there are a lot of businesses that know how to leverage USPS's laziness (i.e. knowing they will reliably cut-corners 100% of the time) to their advantage.

Allowing USPS workers to be involved in an election (to the extent that it could change an election outcome) is begging for cases of negligence. Because of covid, the USPS has a ENORMOUS role in this election. That is a liability for Biden as these investigations go forward.
I honestly have had the exact opposite experience with the post office.
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Re: The steal is on

Post by doodle » Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:59 am

I'm not saying this isn't true...but a lot of shit has been alleged so far with sharpies, ballot drops etc etc. How many times do you get to cry wolf?
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