Whoa: Nearly a Third of Democrats Believe the Election Was Stolen From Trump
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Re: Whoa: Nearly a Third of Democrats Believe the Election Was Stolen From Trump
The scary thing is everything you said is believed to a great extent by millions.
Twitter, never had an account, or if I did it was just a test. For how long, without any pushback, has it been Trump’s soapbox? Worked fine until they started putting the little notes on the tweets.
This forum fills my need for hearing the right and left sides. I don’t need to make a Parler account!
Twitter, never had an account, or if I did it was just a test. For how long, without any pushback, has it been Trump’s soapbox? Worked fine until they started putting the little notes on the tweets.
This forum fills my need for hearing the right and left sides. I don’t need to make a Parler account!
Re: Whoa: Nearly a Third of Democrats Believe the Election Was Stolen From Trump
While we are at it, since we are going to throw out all non-Trump votes and get rid of the 2 term limit... let's have Trump really "drain the swamp". I mean let's just get rid of the "deep state" entirely. Let's have Trump phone up every congressman, judge, governor, state and federal worker and say those magical two words... "you're fired!!!". All in on Trump, swamp drainer extraordinaire! Trump is the best, most caring, and most honest person in the world anyways. I mean Trump said himself that he was even greater than honest Abe! We have no need for lesser men to be involved in the process. All hail Supreme Leader Trump!!!!!
Re: Whoa: Nearly a Third of Democrats Believe the Election Was Stolen From Trump
OJ was found not guilty in criminal court, after a massive televised trial, but I doubt it changed many people's belief about his guilt (based on the evidence).glennds wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:04 am If the court tosses it, will Trump supporters conclude the court is rigged, or accept the legal outcome?
And if Powell wins, same question to the Biden supporters...
No faith in the election process and no faith in the court system either? If it walks like a banana republic and quacks like a banana republic....
Either way, if half the country is in that state of mind, it's not a good sign.
If the courts just "toss out" the evidence, without addressing it, Trump supporters, the Biden supporters who think there was serious fraud, and other people who also see fraud will not be able to unsee it.
If we truly have corrupt banana republic style elections and criminals in power, it's not a bad thing that half the population has no faith in the election process and court system. It's a bad thing that half the population either has faith in it or doesn't care.
Re: Whoa: Nearly a Third of Democrats Believe the Election Was Stolen From Trump
In all seriousness and all disagreements about facts and evidence aside, this is a real possibility I think exists. I'd put it at least at 5% chance Trump declares martial law and has people arrested.pmward wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:48 am While we are at it, since we are going to throw out all non-Trump votes and get rid of the 2 term limit... let's have Trump really "drain the swamp". I mean let's just get rid of the "deep state" entirely. Let's have Trump phone up every congressman, judge, governor, state and federal worker and say those magical two words... "you're fired!!!". All in on Trump, swamp drainer extraordinaire! Trump is the best, most caring, and most honest person in the world anyways. I mean Trump said himself that he was even greater than honest Abe! We have no need for lesser men to be involved in the process. All hail Supreme Leader Trump!!!!!
Hypothetically let's say there was massive fraud and Trump is certainly aware of all the major details. Isn't he under a moral obligation to protect the country from this gang? How could he possibly turn power over to a group that committed fraud on a massive scale across the country, regardless of what the courts say. Wouldn't he be justified in rounding them up?
Re: Whoa: Nearly a Third of Democrats Believe the Election Was Stolen From Trump
This why belief is more dangerous than reality. Just because a large chunk of people believe something does not mean it's true. But even if it's not true, the consequences could play out as if it were. But I don't think Trump cares about the consequences of his baseless accusations. The only thing he cares about is power.SomeDude wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 12:37 pmOJ was found not guilty in criminal court, after a massive televised trial, but I doubt it changed many people's belief about his guilt (based on the evidence).glennds wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:04 am If the court tosses it, will Trump supporters conclude the court is rigged, or accept the legal outcome?
And if Powell wins, same question to the Biden supporters...
No faith in the election process and no faith in the court system either? If it walks like a banana republic and quacks like a banana republic....
Either way, if half the country is in that state of mind, it's not a good sign.
If the courts just "toss out" the evidence, without addressing it, Trump supporters, the Biden supporters who think there was serious fraud, and other people who also see fraud will not be able to unsee it.
If we truly have corrupt banana republic style elections and criminals in power, it's not a bad thing that half the population has no faith in the election process and court system. It's a bad thing that half the population either has faith in it or doesn't care.
Re: Whoa: Nearly a Third of Democrats Believe the Election Was Stolen From Trump
The obvious answer and what the actual evidence shows, is that there is no "group that committed fraud on a massive scale across the country". But he could pretend as if there is, so he can attempt a coup... and even if the coup fails, it still puts him in a position to benefit. He personally cannot lose from making baseless accusations. If the courts throw everything out, he will still walk away smelling like roses in the eyes of half the country. He will have more continued power over the Republican Party, and the thoughts of his devout worshipers than he would have if he had not made these baseless accusations. He has everything to gain and nothing to lose. "We The People" are the people that will actually lose from all this. We are all paying the price of admission for Trump to have continued power and influence in the future.SomeDude wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 12:44 pmIn all seriousness and all disagreements about facts and evidence aside, this is a real possibility I think exists. I'd put it at least at 5% chance Trump declares martial law and has people arrested.pmward wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:48 am While we are at it, since we are going to throw out all non-Trump votes and get rid of the 2 term limit... let's have Trump really "drain the swamp". I mean let's just get rid of the "deep state" entirely. Let's have Trump phone up every congressman, judge, governor, state and federal worker and say those magical two words... "you're fired!!!". All in on Trump, swamp drainer extraordinaire! Trump is the best, most caring, and most honest person in the world anyways. I mean Trump said himself that he was even greater than honest Abe! We have no need for lesser men to be involved in the process. All hail Supreme Leader Trump!!!!!
Hypothetically let's say there was massive fraud and Trump is certainly aware of all the major details. Isn't he under a moral obligation to protect the country from this gang? How could he possibly turn power over to a group that committed fraud on a massive scale across the country, regardless of what the courts say. Wouldn't he be justified in rounding them up?
Re: Whoa: Nearly a Third of Democrats Believe the Election Was Stolen From Trump
For anyone interested in the technical comments on the Powell lawsuits from some in the legal community:
https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/s ... -lawsuits/
https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/s ... -lawsuits/
Re: Whoa: Nearly a Third of Democrats Believe the Election Was Stolen From Trump
A good point I had not even thought of...glennds wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 1:58 pm For anyone interested in the technical comments on the Powell lawsuits from some in the legal community:
https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/s ... -lawsuits/
"Affidavits of poll watchers making claims that would have been caught in the recount?"
Re: Whoa: Nearly a Third of Democrats Believe the Election Was Stolen From Trump
Fake news!
How could the evidence possibly show this? Data is still being collected and court cases are still being filed. You could have written that sentence to say that no evidence has been shown and it would have been more accurate but I don't know how you would even know that this is correct. Presumably those court cases involve the presentation of evidence.
The way you stated your assertion makes me think you would be a good hire at CNN or MSNBC.
Re: Whoa: Nearly a Third of Democrats Believe the Election Was Stolen From Trump
Yes that's the most plausible explanation until a federal judge says otherwise. That's called evidence, when a judge has an opinion.Libertarian666 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 5:14 pm It's obvious that all of those coordinated ballot dumps of thousands of ballots with only Biden marked, in the wee hours of November 4th all over the country, are a total coincidence!
Re: Whoa: Nearly a Third of Democrats Believe the Election Was Stolen From Trump
I think it would be historically poetic to set fire to Capitol building and create an American version of the Reichstag fire. I'm sure Der Trumper would love someone like you and tech in his new administration. Obedience and loyalty is really all that's required for the job. You could drive around and round up the anti american agitators....maybe put them on a train...send them away. After all, they hate apple pie and family. They are basically not human.SomeDude wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 12:44 pmIn all seriousness and all disagreements about facts and evidence aside, this is a real possibility I think exists. I'd put it at least at 5% chance Trump declares martial law and has people arrested.pmward wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:48 am While we are at it, since we are going to throw out all non-Trump votes and get rid of the 2 term limit... let's have Trump really "drain the swamp". I mean let's just get rid of the "deep state" entirely. Let's have Trump phone up every congressman, judge, governor, state and federal worker and say those magical two words... "you're fired!!!". All in on Trump, swamp drainer extraordinaire! Trump is the best, most caring, and most honest person in the world anyways. I mean Trump said himself that he was even greater than honest Abe! We have no need for lesser men to be involved in the process. All hail Supreme Leader Trump!!!!!
Hypothetically let's say there was massive fraud and Trump is certainly aware of all the major details. Isn't he under a moral obligation to protect the country from this gang? How could he possibly turn power over to a group that committed fraud on a massive scale across the country, regardless of what the courts say. Wouldn't he be justified in rounding them up?
Re: Whoa: Nearly a Third of Democrats Believe the Election Was Stolen From Trump
Tech, was there widespread fraud in the Iowa primaries in 2016, or was Trump just joking there? I have a hard time telling sometimes.
Re: Whoa: Nearly a Third of Democrats Believe the Election Was Stolen From Trump
5. There is evidence a group committed fraud in a massive scale across the country BUT they did it on behalf of the downtrodden and disenfranchised voters who for some reason didn't realize they needed to come out and vote against orange man bad for the good of the nation, nay the world.Libertarian666 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 10:44 pm
I see where we are in the playbook for the "progressives" with regard to fraud in the election:
1. There's no fraud. It's impossible.
2. There's no evidence of fraud.
3. There's no evidence of fraud that is enough to overturn an election in any state.
4. There's no evidence of a group that committed fraud on a massive scale across the country.
I'm not sure what the next step is, but it should be a doozy!
Re: Whoa: Nearly a Third of Democrats Believe the Election Was Stolen From Trump
I don't think it was widespread, as it's probably a lot harder to get Republicans to engage in fraud (I'm talking the rank and file people, not the politicians).
From what I remember though, right before the caucus Ted Cruz's campaign sent out notices saying Ben Carson had dropped out and endorsed Cruz. Ben had a lot of support and was polling in the top three maybe. At least this is what I remember.
So Trump was probably spot on here.