I Think This Forum Should Stick To Investing

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Re: I Think This Forum Should Stick To Investing

Post by pmward » Wed Dec 02, 2020 2:24 pm

pugchief wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 2:11 pm
pmward wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 2:02 pm
pugchief wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:59 pm
Xan wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:21 pm
Smith1776 wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:05 pm
I don't understand. The whole point of the politics subforum was to keep politics separate from the rest of the site's content. As far as I can see it's been very successful so far. If you don't like the political content, then just don't browse this area? ???

I personally just don't see that there's a problem anymore. I almost never venture into this part of the forum and as a result the rest of the site is like an entirely new place to hang out.
I think you're right on, Smith.

pmward, I'm not sure I'm understanding the problem. If you don't like the political discussion, then you can now opt out of seeing notifications from the political subforum. (Except for threads you're subscribed to.) Have you tried that? I've had that enabled since the beginning and it really is refreshing.

So I'm not seeing your problem nor understanding your solution. Splitting into two forums would solve what? You wouldn't like the political forum (since you're complaining about that discussion here). You can already have this forum minus politics by opting out. Having the political forum here gives people who want to discuss it an outlet. I certainly have no interest in policing a forum to make sure no political discussion takes place, but the "self-policing" of mostly confining politics to the political section seems to be a great success.

It looks like you in fact are in the non-political group already. Might I suggest that you unsubscribe from some threads if its existence is still bothering you?
Holy frijoles, I leave the house for 4 hours and come back to 7 pages of complete nonsense (except for the Tomfoolery satire, which as always gets a big LOL). +1 on both Smithers' and Xan's comments above. Good lord pmward, there is no politics in the investment threads, so I'm not sure what your gripe is. Just don't read, and more importantly don't post, in the politics section if you don't want to. WTF?
Go look at my poll. There are 9 people that said they have considered leaving this forum because of politics. I've spoken to a few people that have left, and a few people considering leaving lately. This is not just about me. This is a real problem.
I have only one question for you, pmward. If you don't like the politics section why the heck are you one of the most prolific posters in that section?
How many times do I have to tell you IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT ME. People I like have left. People I like are threatening leaving. Not just leaving this sub, but leaving the forum altogether. This does not bother you?
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Re: I Think This Forum Should Stick To Investing

Post by sophie » Wed Dec 02, 2020 2:28 pm

pmward, in regard to the title of this thread:

Thankfully it's not up to you. Political discussions have been an important and valued part of this forum since way before you appeared on the scene. It is your responsibility to put the "politics" subforum on your exclude list if you don't want to participate in those discussions. Or stop posting in them and just don't read the threads.

What you've done here is the equivalent of writing to the New York Times and telling them they must dump their real estate section because you don't like to read it. There is a mature way to handle this. I'll leave you to figure out what it is.
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Re: I Think This Forum Should Stick To Investing

Post by pugchief » Wed Dec 02, 2020 2:29 pm

pmward wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 2:24 pm
pugchief wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 2:11 pm
pmward wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 2:02 pm
pugchief wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:59 pm
Xan wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:21 pm
Smith1776 wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:05 pm
I don't understand. The whole point of the politics subforum was to keep politics separate from the rest of the site's content. As far as I can see it's been very successful so far. If you don't like the political content, then just don't browse this area? ???

I personally just don't see that there's a problem anymore. I almost never venture into this part of the forum and as a result the rest of the site is like an entirely new place to hang out.
I think you're right on, Smith.

pmward, I'm not sure I'm understanding the problem. If you don't like the political discussion, then you can now opt out of seeing notifications from the political subforum. (Except for threads you're subscribed to.) Have you tried that? I've had that enabled since the beginning and it really is refreshing.

So I'm not seeing your problem nor understanding your solution. Splitting into two forums would solve what? You wouldn't like the political forum (since you're complaining about that discussion here). You can already have this forum minus politics by opting out. Having the political forum here gives people who want to discuss it an outlet. I certainly have no interest in policing a forum to make sure no political discussion takes place, but the "self-policing" of mostly confining politics to the political section seems to be a great success.

It looks like you in fact are in the non-political group already. Might I suggest that you unsubscribe from some threads if its existence is still bothering you?
Holy frijoles, I leave the house for 4 hours and come back to 7 pages of complete nonsense (except for the Tomfoolery satire, which as always gets a big LOL). +1 on both Smithers' and Xan's comments above. Good lord pmward, there is no politics in the investment threads, so I'm not sure what your gripe is. Just don't read, and more importantly don't post, in the politics section if you don't want to. WTF?
Go look at my poll. There are 9 people that said they have considered leaving this forum because of politics. I've spoken to a few people that have left, and a few people considering leaving lately. This is not just about me. This is a real problem.
I have only one question for you, pmward. If you don't like the politics section why the heck are you one of the most prolific posters in that section?
How many times do I have to tell you IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT ME. People I like have left. People I like are threatening leaving. Not just leaving this sub, but leaving the forum altogether. This does not bother you?
And yet, you still haven't answered my question in italics above. ::) :o
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Re: I Think This Forum Should Stick To Investing

Post by pmward » Wed Dec 02, 2020 2:33 pm

pugchief wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 2:29 pm
pmward wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 2:24 pm
pugchief wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 2:11 pm
pmward wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 2:02 pm
pugchief wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:59 pm
Xan wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:21 pm
Smith1776 wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:05 pm
I don't understand. The whole point of the politics subforum was to keep politics separate from the rest of the site's content. As far as I can see it's been very successful so far. If you don't like the political content, then just don't browse this area? ???

I personally just don't see that there's a problem anymore. I almost never venture into this part of the forum and as a result the rest of the site is like an entirely new place to hang out.
I think you're right on, Smith.

pmward, I'm not sure I'm understanding the problem. If you don't like the political discussion, then you can now opt out of seeing notifications from the political subforum. (Except for threads you're subscribed to.) Have you tried that? I've had that enabled since the beginning and it really is refreshing.

So I'm not seeing your problem nor understanding your solution. Splitting into two forums would solve what? You wouldn't like the political forum (since you're complaining about that discussion here). You can already have this forum minus politics by opting out. Having the political forum here gives people who want to discuss it an outlet. I certainly have no interest in policing a forum to make sure no political discussion takes place, but the "self-policing" of mostly confining politics to the political section seems to be a great success.

It looks like you in fact are in the non-political group already. Might I suggest that you unsubscribe from some threads if its existence is still bothering you?
Holy frijoles, I leave the house for 4 hours and come back to 7 pages of complete nonsense (except for the Tomfoolery satire, which as always gets a big LOL). +1 on both Smithers' and Xan's comments above. Good lord pmward, there is no politics in the investment threads, so I'm not sure what your gripe is. Just don't read, and more importantly don't post, in the politics section if you don't want to. WTF?
Go look at my poll. There are 9 people that said they have considered leaving this forum because of politics. I've spoken to a few people that have left, and a few people considering leaving lately. This is not just about me. This is a real problem.
I have only one question for you, pmward. If you don't like the politics section why the heck are you one of the most prolific posters in that section?
How many times do I have to tell you IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT ME. People I like have left. People I like are threatening leaving. Not just leaving this sub, but leaving the forum altogether. This does not bother you?
And yet, you still haven't answered my question in italics above. ::) :o
There are now 10 people in my poll, a poll that is in this section that people can opt out of mind you, that have said yes they have considered leaving this forum because of politics. Why is that? Well, why when there is a car accident on the freeway to people slow down to look as they pass by? It's basically impossible to ignore it, whether or not you get notifications.
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Re: I Think This Forum Should Stick To Investing

Post by tomfoolery » Wed Dec 02, 2020 2:36 pm

pmward wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 2:33 pm
Well, why when there is a car accident on the freeway to people slow down to look as they pass by? It's basically impossible to ignore it, whether or not you get notifications.
Your suggestion was to split the forum off into a separate gyroscopicpolitics forum on a different domain.

Wouldn't you still be tempted to navigate there, even if it was a separate site? Because, while it may not be a single hyperlink click away, it's only an extra 3 seconds to type that domain into your browser. Wouldn't the mere existence of the politics forum be a constant draw for you to look at, even if on a different site?

Would you be able to better ignore it if it was a separate domain?
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Re: I Think This Forum Should Stick To Investing

Post by SomeDude » Wed Dec 02, 2020 2:37 pm

tomfoolery wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 2:36 pm
pmward wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 2:33 pm
Well, why when there is a car accident on the freeway to people slow down to look as they pass by? It's basically impossible to ignore it, whether or not you get notifications.
Your suggestion was to split the forum off into a separate gyroscopicpolitics forum on a different domain.

Wouldn't you still be tempted to navigate there, even if it was a separate site? Because, while it may not be a single hyperlink click away, it's only an extra 3 seconds to type that domain into your browser. Wouldn't the mere existence of the politics forum be a constant draw for you to look at, even if on a different site?

Would you be able to better ignore it if it was a separate domain?
I know I couldn't resist.............
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Re: I Think This Forum Should Stick To Investing

Post by pmward » Wed Dec 02, 2020 2:38 pm

tomfoolery wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 2:36 pm
pmward wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 2:33 pm
Well, why when there is a car accident on the freeway to people slow down to look as they pass by? It's basically impossible to ignore it, whether or not you get notifications.
Your suggestion was to split the forum off into a separate gyroscopicpolitics forum on a different domain.

Wouldn't you still be tempted to navigate there, even if it was a separate site? Because, while it may not be a single hyperlink click away, it's only an extra 3 seconds to type that domain into your browser. Wouldn't the mere existence of the politics forum be a constant draw for you to look at, even if on a different site?

Would you be able to better ignore it if it was a separate domain?
Nope would not be "tempted to navigate there".
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Re: I Think This Forum Should Stick To Investing

Post by Mark Leavy » Wed Dec 02, 2020 2:40 pm

Do you have a weight problem, pmward?
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Re: I Think This Forum Should Stick To Investing

Post by pmward » Wed Dec 02, 2020 2:45 pm

Mark Leavy wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 2:40 pm
Do you have a weight problem, pmward?
Not at all. And what does my weight have to do with the discussion?
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Re: I Think This Forum Should Stick To Investing

Post by tomfoolery » Wed Dec 02, 2020 2:47 pm

pmward wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 2:45 pm
Mark Leavy wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 2:40 pm
Do you have a weight problem, pmward?
Not at all. And what does my weight have to do with the discussion?
There's tons of McDonalds, Fast Food places, Vending Machines, and other food bad for you everywhere in society. Can you avoid going into those establishments and overeating, becoming obese, without the government shutting those businesses down to protect you from yourself?
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Re: I Think This Forum Should Stick To Investing

Post by Tortoise » Wed Dec 02, 2020 2:48 pm

I happened to glance at the OP's (pmward's) user profile just now and noticed that he's been a member since Jan 2019 and managed to stay away from the political threads almost completely until Nov 12 when he posted in the Politics sub-forum for the first time. That was less than three weeks ago.

I wonder why he doesn't just go back to doing what he did prior to Nov 12?

For what it's worth, I've noticed in recent years that most of the forum members who have either permanently left or mentioned thinking about it seem to share a few common characteristics:

- Arrived at the PP and this forum for analytical/quantitative rather than philosophical reasons
- Participate very frequently in VP threads predicated on the supposed ability to time, predict, or generally beat various markets
- Lean politically toward style over substance (e.g., decorum over policy)
- Are vehemently opposed to Trump
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Re: I Think This Forum Should Stick To Investing

Post by dualstow » Wed Dec 02, 2020 2:48 pm

pmward wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:28 am
Title says it. I don't think the political stuff belongs here.
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Hi pm. Quoting post 1, but I've read the bulk of the thread, finally.

I opted out of the Politics section as I agree with almost no one and only peek in once in a while. I have to actively go there, as the posts aren't going to show up in the New Posts section (I think). It's quite peaceful.

With the addition of this new section, we see fewer political comments creeping in, but I like that they're allowed to creep in. I have to invoke the name: you know how heavy-handed Bogleheads' moderation policy is. I couldn't even talk about the minimum wage without getting censored and I eventually asked them to lock me me out after more than a dozen years on that forum.

Whether we have a section or a separate website (honestly, I don't think the latter is going to happen), members are generally allowed to speak freely, within reason. Political comments can creep in . They will creep in whether an attempt is made to relegate them to a section or to an entirely different website. It would take a lot of moderator man-hours to stop it all.

I don't like too much daytrading talk in the pp section, so that eventually gets moved to special threads. Sophie has a no-Trump-references thread going, and it's a pretty cool experiment. I've only edited one post, and haven't really kept up with it.

If you feel you're being abused, either in the threads or in private messages (except private messages from me. YOU WILL READ MY BULLYING AND LIKE IT!*) please get in touch with a moderator.

I think it's fair to say that at least half of the members are freethinking, and many are libertarian, anti-big government, and so on. It's not the Wild West. However, I think it would be ironic if a place so full of people who are used to speaking freely find that they can't, even here.

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