Should Donald Trump Be Charged With Sedition?

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Re: Should Donald Trump Be Charged With Sedition?

Post by pmward » Thu Dec 10, 2020 9:43 am

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Thu Dec 10, 2020 9:27 am
Yes, this is correct. One of the most intelligent people I know hates Trump with a passion because he has "destroyed the Republican party", and he is a long-time Republican who was I believe involved in Bush v. Gore. I haven't asked him exactly why he thinks that because I don't want to hear any more anti-Trump ranting at this point, but may do so after the election is actually over.
This is a problem though, when Republicans voluntarily close their minds and refuse to consider any anti-Trump opinions... even those presented by other Republicans, that is a bad thing. When we don't allow ourselves to question our leaders, it basically bowing down to them as an authoritarian. Trump is not greater than the Republican Party. I think at the end of the day Trump will have done more harm to the Republican Party than he did good. It's going to take them a long time for the general appearance of the Republican Party to recover from the negative aspects Trump has brought in. Trump is immensely popular amongst far right Republicans, but he is very unpopular with Democrats, Independents, and even moderate Republicans (i.e. RINO's).

Trump hasn't just waged war with the other side, he has also ostracized and waged war on a good deal of the Republican Party. He does not allow other Republicans to have their own opinions separate from his. I'm curious to see when Trump leaves office how long it takes for Republican politicians to find their own voice again. If Trump does announce a 2024 run on Jan 20th, I think it basically prevents other Republicans from being able rise up and speak their own voice until at least 2024. I think this is a bad thing for the Republican Party. Eventually, when Trump is fully out of the political spotlight I expect to see most Republican politicians trying really hard to separate themselves from the Trump era.
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Re: Should Donald Trump Be Charged With Sedition?

Post by Ad Orientem » Thu Dec 10, 2020 5:18 pm

WASHINGTON — More than two dozen states filed motions with the Supreme Court on Thursday opposing Texas' bid to invalidate President-elect Joe Biden's wins in four battleground states, a long-shot legal move that Pennsylvania blasted as a "seditious abuse of the judicial process."
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white- ... n-n1250678


They must have read my opening post on this thread.
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Re: Should Donald Trump Be Charged With Sedition?

Post by pmward » Thu Dec 10, 2020 5:49 pm

the Republican attorney general of Ohio, Dave Yost, who argued that what Texas was seeking "would undermine a foundational premise of our federalist system: the idea that the States are sovereigns, free to govern themselves."
Nice.
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Re: Should Donald Trump Be Charged With Sedition?

Post by I Shrugged » Thu Dec 10, 2020 5:58 pm

pmward wrote:
Thu Dec 10, 2020 5:49 pm
the Republican attorney general of Ohio, Dave Yost, who argued that what Texas was seeking "would undermine a foundational premise of our federalist system: the idea that the States are sovereigns, free to govern themselves."
Nice.
That ship has sailed a long time ago. Although there are still remnants of federalism in place.

So anyway I’d love to see his premise be true. Maybe from this case some precedent will arise which will have broader applications.

This is just so typical of the establishment discovering the constitution when it furthers their goals, while otherwise trampling it.

Btw this is in the wrong thread.
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Re: Should Donald Trump Be Charged With Sedition?

Post by Libertarian666 » Thu Dec 10, 2020 6:50 pm

I Shrugged wrote:
Thu Dec 10, 2020 5:58 pm
pmward wrote:
Thu Dec 10, 2020 5:49 pm
the Republican attorney general of Ohio, Dave Yost, who argued that what Texas was seeking "would undermine a foundational premise of our federalist system: the idea that the States are sovereigns, free to govern themselves."
Nice.
That ship has sailed a long time ago. Although there are still remnants of federalism in place.

So anyway I’d love to see his premise be true. Maybe from this case some precedent will arise which will have broader applications.

This is just so typical of the establishment discovering the constitution when it furthers their goals, while otherwise trampling it.

Btw this is in the wrong thread.
So the Constitution is obsolete and can be ignored whenever a State wants to do so?
Okay with me, if that is applied uniformly.
Which of course it won't be...
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Re: Should Donald Trump Be Charged With Sedition?

Post by Ad Orientem » Tue Dec 22, 2020 6:56 pm

Multiple sources are now reporting that Donald Trump, a sitting President of the United States, has entertained arguments, IN THE OVAL OFFICE, from advisors suggesting he declare martial law in the states he lost and order the military to redo the election. It is not clear how seriously Trump is taking the suggestions, but he did not have those making them arrested or thrown out of the White House on their asses which is what any other president in American History would have done. FTR Trump labeled the story "fake news" but it has been verified by multiple reliable news sources and... being blunt, Trump is a congenital liar. So basically we now have a president entertaining the idea that he effectively attempt a coup d'état.

Holy crap.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/22/martial ... n-win.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/20/media/st ... index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/19/politics ... index.html

https://www.justsecurity.org/73986/invo ... -sedition/
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Re: Should Donald Trump Be Charged With Sedition?

Post by SomeDude » Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:08 pm

Ad Orientem wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 6:56 pm
Multiple sources are now reporting that Donald Trump, a sitting President of the United States, has entertained arguments, IN THE OVAL OFFICE, from advisors suggesting he declare martial law in the states he lost and order the military to redo the election. It is not clear how seriously Trump is taking the suggestions, but he did not have those making them arrested or thrown out of the White House on their asses which is what any other president in American History would have done. FTR Trump labeled the story "fake news" but it has been verified by multiple reliable news sources and... being blunt, Trump is a congenital liar. So basically we now have a president entertaining the idea that he effectively attempt a coup d'état.

Holy crap.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/22/martial ... n-win.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/20/media/st ... index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/19/politics ... index.html

https://www.justsecurity.org/73986/invo ... -sedition/
Please God. He should have done this a month ago but.......there is an upside to the waiting. A lot more traitors have been exposed.

Round them up.

I'll re-enlist in the Army for it.
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Re: Should Donald Trump Be Charged With Sedition?

Post by Ad Orientem » Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:18 pm

SomeDude wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:08 pm
Ad Orientem wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 6:56 pm
Multiple sources are now reporting that Donald Trump, a sitting President of the United States, has entertained arguments, IN THE OVAL OFFICE, from advisors suggesting he declare martial law in the states he lost and order the military to redo the election. It is not clear how seriously Trump is taking the suggestions, but he did not have those making them arrested or thrown out of the White House on their asses which is what any other president in American History would have done. FTR Trump labeled the story "fake news" but it has been verified by multiple reliable news sources and... being blunt, Trump is a congenital liar. So basically we now have a president entertaining the idea that he effectively attempt a coup d'état.

Holy crap.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/22/martial ... n-win.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/20/media/st ... index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/19/politics ... index.html

https://www.justsecurity.org/73986/invo ... -sedition/
Please God. He should have done this a month ago but.......there is an upside to the waiting. A lot more traitors have been exposed.

Round them up.

I'll re-enlist in the Army for it.

If your looking for traitors I suggest starting with a look in the mirror. It's time to be blunt. Your not interested in elections (unless you win). Your not interested in the rule of law. Your disdain for the scores of judges that have repeatedly laughed Trump and his lawyers out of court have established that. Your not interested in evidence. You've never presented anymore than Trump and his minions have. Which is to say none at all. Your only interest is in power. And you have just openly stated your willingness to participate in a military coup to that end.

I'm done with you. I don't debate with people advocating for the overthrow of the United States Constitution and the establishment of dictatorship. IMHO you have been basically a troll since the day you showed up on this forum and if I were an admin I'd ban you on the basis of your above comment.
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Re: Should Donald Trump Be Charged With Sedition?

Post by Ad Orientem » Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:28 pm

Simonjester wrote:
Ad Orientem wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 6:56 pm
Multiple sources are now reporting that Donald Trump, a sitting President of the United States, has entertained arguments, IN THE OVAL OFFICE, from advisors suggesting he declare martial law in the states he lost and order the military to redo the election. It is not clear how seriously Trump is taking the suggestions, but he did not have those making them arrested or thrown out of the White House on their asses which is what any other president in American History would have done. FTR Trump labeled the story "fake news" but it has been verified by multiple reliable news sources and... being blunt, Trump is a congenital liar. So basically we now have a president entertaining the idea that he effectively attempt a coup d'état.

Holy crap.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/22/martial ... n-win.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/20/media/st ... index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/19/politics ... index.html

https://www.justsecurity.org/73986/invo ... -sedition/
i know you don't/wont believe it happened, but as a hypothetical, what if the coup d'état is already happening ? (election fraud theft)
then declaring martial law would be a logical step to prevent a coup,
i am not in favor of this BTW, just pointing out that the automatic assumption that the bad guy in this is trump, or that martial law is evil anti-American is not a certainty..

What if the world really is flat?
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well i knew you wouldn't believe the premise and said so... but i had hoped you could at least entertain the hypothetical for a thought experiment, is there no situation where a president can declare martial law to save the country and defend the constitution? what if the sides were reversed ?
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Re: Should Donald Trump Be Charged With Sedition?

Post by SomeDude » Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:30 pm

Ad Orientem wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:18 pm
SomeDude wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:08 pm
Ad Orientem wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 6:56 pm
Multiple sources are now reporting that Donald Trump, a sitting President of the United States, has entertained arguments, IN THE OVAL OFFICE, from advisors suggesting he declare martial law in the states he lost and order the military to redo the election. It is not clear how seriously Trump is taking the suggestions, but he did not have those making them arrested or thrown out of the White House on their asses which is what any other president in American History would have done. FTR Trump labeled the story "fake news" but it has been verified by multiple reliable news sources and... being blunt, Trump is a congenital liar. So basically we now have a president entertaining the idea that he effectively attempt a coup d'état.

Holy crap.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/22/martial ... n-win.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/20/media/st ... index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/19/politics ... index.html

https://www.justsecurity.org/73986/invo ... -sedition/
Please God. He should have done this a month ago but.......there is an upside to the waiting. A lot more traitors have been exposed.

Round them up.

I'll re-enlist in the Army for it.

If your looking for traitors I suggest starting with a look in the mirror. It's time to be blunt. Your not interested in elections (unless you win). Your not interested in the rule of law. Your disdain for the scores of judges that have repeatedly laughed Trump and his lawyers out of court have established that. Your not interested in evidence. You've never presented anymore than Trump and his minions have. Which is to say none at all. Your only interest is in power. And you have just openly stated your willingness to participate in a military coup to that end.

I'm done with you. I don't debate with people advocating for the overthrow of the United States Constitution and the establishment of dictatorship. IMHO you have been basically a troll since the day you showed up on this forum and if I were an admin I'd ban you on the basis of your above comment.
The evidence is overwhelming that massive fraud has been committed to perpetrate the fraud that a senile corpse who didn't even campaign got more votes than anyone in history. It's a silly conspiracy theory that Biden won. Foreign powers have aligned with crooked politicians and other traitors to take over the country.

Approximately half the voters believe there was widespread fraud. You disagree. You think the Biden actually won the states he was massively behind in when they stopped voting, kicked out the poll watchers, and started bringing in truck loads of Biden ballots that they "counted" without observation for days. I think you're lying to yourself and unwittingly supporting a criminal gang trying to seize power.

But i don't think you're a bad person because of it, just misguided.
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Re: Should Donald Trump Be Charged With Sedition?

Post by SomeDude » Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:44 pm

This is why we need the courts to hear the defamation cases that dominion is bringing. I hope the election officials in the Dem cities in the swing states sue Powell and Giuliani.

I wonder how many of the 1,000+ sworn affidavits alleging fraud will be charged with perjury?

My guess is zero.
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Re: Should Donald Trump Be Charged With Sedition?

Post by SomeDude » Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:00 pm

Libertarian666 wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:48 pm
SomeDude wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:44 pm
This is why we need the courts to hear the defamation cases that dominion is bringing. I hope the election officials in the Dem cities in the swing states sue Powell and Giuliani.

I wonder how many of the 1,000+ sworn affidavits alleging fraud will be charged with perjury?

My guess is zero.
I'm pretty sure Dominion is bluffing. They know that if those cases are heard, their fraud will be out in the open.
Were people here against the obvious coup attempt against Trump with the russia fraud? Did people on this forum fall for that scam too?
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Re: Should Donald Trump Be Charged With Sedition?

Post by SomeDude » Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:35 pm

Ok seriously i haven't watched MSNBC in years. I just turned on Richard Maddows show and she's got klobachar on and they are STILL hoaxing Russia! Still talking about Russia and Clinton i kid you not!!
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Re: Should Donald Trump Be Charged With Sedition?

Post by Dieter » Tue Dec 22, 2020 9:57 pm

Libertarian666 wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:58 pm
SomeDude wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:35 pm
Ok seriously i haven't watched MSNBC in years. I just turned on Richard Maddows show and she's got klobachar on and they are STILL hoaxing Russia! Still talking about Russia and Clinton i kid you not!!
What are they going to do if Trump doesn't get re-elected?
Don't worry about that; democrats eat their own
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Re: Should Donald Trump Be Charged With Sedition?

Post by SomeDude » Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:46 pm

tomfoolery wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:03 pm
If I had to speculate, I'd guess:

49% of the votes were for Donald Trump
3% of the votes were for Biden
45% of the votes were for "Not Orangeman"
11% of the votes were fraudulent

Do the math, people. Overturn this circus.
It wasnt that close but this is in the general direction.
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