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Post by Maddy » Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:08 am

doodle wrote:
Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:44 pm
Businessman: Hey, demand for our products is down sharply this year. Let's build another factory so we can increase production!
To the contrary, this is EXACTLY how wealth gets transferred to the 1 percent. The uber-wealthy start getting interested in assets precisely when nobody else wants them.

Study up on the latest iteration, known as "opportunity zones." The government-corporate cabal beats small business to a pulp in designated target areas, and when real estate and business values plummet, Guess Who swoops in to buy these properties and businesses for pennies on the dollar. Oh, and it's all enabled by substantial tax perks for the investors.
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Post by Cortopassi » Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:08 am

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Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:59 pm

Visitors here should read Harry Browne, How You Can Profit from the Coming Devaluation & Monetary Crisis
That was written in 1970!

I can cite a dozen books (Schiff, Rickards and Celente for example) of the "coming monetary crisis" and "coming hyperinflation"

They've all pretty much been wrong for 50 years. Every administration was going to be the one to pile up enough debt that no one would be buying US bonds anymore causing a crisis. Hyperinflation. Gold is the only safe place to hide. Etc, etc.

While many have some nuggets of good info, it is all doom porn and just has been wrong.
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Post by doodle » Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:24 am

Maddy wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:08 am
doodle wrote:
Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:44 pm
Businessman: Hey, demand for our products is down sharply this year. Let's build another factory so we can increase production!
To the contrary, this is EXACTLY how wealth gets transferred to the 1 percent. The uber-wealthy start getting interested in assets precisely when nobody else wants them.

Study up on the latest iteration, known as "opportunity zones." The government-corporate cabal beats small business to a pulp in designated target areas, and when real estate and business values plummet, Guess Who swoops in to buy these properties and businesses for pennies on the dollar. Oh, and it's all enabled by substantial tax perks for the investors.
Under our imagined scenario of people consuming like me that would supposedly lead to amazing capital investment according to some dude....they would be sorely disappointed. I haven't eaten in a restaurant in years. That entire industry would go out of the window. I haven't been to a mall or really bought anything that wasn't second hand either. Retail would be finished. My vehicle is 15 years old and running fine and I do all my maintenance....there are millions more jobs gone. I take care of my health and teeth...no doctors or dentists for me.

Can you please explain how in this scenario making capital investments to increase future production would pay off?

The conversation wasn't about recessions, it was about people making responsible decisions with their money and saving for the future. Perhaps delaying or not having children they can't afford as well leading to declining population numbers. No, this would not be a good scenario to make capital investments....if you think it is, detroit has a bunch of empty buildings and factories they would love to sell you.
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Post by SomeDude » Tue Dec 22, 2020 11:07 am

tomfoolery wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:35 am
doodle wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:24 am

No, this would not be a good scenario to make capital investments....if you think it is, detroit has a bunch of empty buildings and factories they would love to sell you.
That strikes me as quite racist. As you suggesting that capital investments aren’t worth it because if a bunch if poor blacks move in, the value will plummet and they’ll sit empty due to lack of skilled labor willing to live amongst poor welfare-collecting blacks?
That's what I infer from the comments. That is, unless Detroit is being held out as an example of what happens when people are financially responsible? I would think its an example of liberal Democrat government and financial irresponsibility. According to Doodle, thats what makes an economy prosper! ;D
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Post by doodle » Tue Dec 22, 2020 11:44 am

tomfoolery wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:35 am
doodle wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:24 am

No, this would not be a good scenario to make capital investments....if you think it is, detroit has a bunch of empty buildings and factories they would love to sell you.
That strikes me as quite racist. As you suggesting that capital investments aren’t worth it because if a bunch if poor blacks move in, the value will plummet and they’ll sit empty due to lack of skilled labor willing to live amongst poor welfare-collecting blacks?
WTF are you talking about? Lol.

Derpty derp. I'm not sure how much simpler this can be communicated...no spending = no selling. No selling = no production. Does this make sense to you?
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Post by doodle » Tue Dec 22, 2020 11:47 am

The repercussions of individuals living within their means will result in widespread economic contraction........ in a macro sense virtuous behavior on the part of individuals would be detrimental to jobs and economic growth.
You do understand that demand drives investment and not the other way around, right? This isn't the field of dreams...
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Post by SomeDude » Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:13 pm

MangoMan wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 11:52 am
doodle wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 11:47 am
The repercussions of individuals living within their means will result in widespread economic contraction........ in a macro sense virtuous behavior on the part of individuals would be detrimental to jobs and economic growth.
You do understand that demand drives investment and not the other way around, right? This isn't the field of dreams...
I'm sorry, who were you quoting?
He must be quoting Marx. When you see an idiotic statement about economics, you can bet its Marxist. The experiment has failed everywhere on Earth but PT Barnum had a saying that applies here.

Doodle literally has Karl Marx, the most clueless person in human history when it comes to basic economics, as his avatar. Thats all you need to know.

Marxist theory wouldn't be so bad, it would just be a joke, except people have tried to put it into practice. The result is literally the death of tens of millions, maybe hundreds of millions and untold human suffering.
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Post by doodle » Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:25 pm

SomeDude wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:13 pm
MangoMan wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 11:52 am
doodle wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 11:47 am
The repercussions of individuals living within their means will result in widespread economic contraction........ in a macro sense virtuous behavior on the part of individuals would be detrimental to jobs and economic growth.
You do understand that demand drives investment and not the other way around, right? This isn't the field of dreams...
I'm sorry, who were you quoting?
He must be quoting Marx. When you see an idiotic statement about economics, you can bet its Marxist. The experiment has failed everywhere on Earth but PT Barnum had a saying that applies here.

Doodle literally has Karl Marx, the most clueless person in human history when it comes to basic economics, as his avatar. Thats all you need to know.

Marxist theory wouldn't be so bad, it would just be a joke, except people have tried to put it into practice. The result is literally the death of tens of millions, maybe hundreds of millions and untold human suffering.
Who am I quoting? me from our conversation yesterday.

Apparently we are still hung up on the radically complex idea of the 'paradox of thrift'

It is mind blowing to imagine that if no one spends then business doesn't hire people to produce. Wow! Revolutionary concept!
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Post by doodle » Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:27 pm

tomfoolery wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:49 pm
doodle wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 11:44 am
tomfoolery wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:35 am
doodle wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:24 am

No, this would not be a good scenario to make capital investments....if you think it is, detroit has a bunch of empty buildings and factories they would love to sell you.
That strikes me as quite racist. As you suggesting that capital investments aren’t worth it because if a bunch if poor blacks move in, the value will plummet and they’ll sit empty due to lack of skilled labor willing to live amongst poor welfare-collecting blacks?
WTF are you talking about? Lol.

Derpty derp. I'm not sure how much simpler this can be communicated...no spending = no selling. No selling = no production. Does this make sense to you?
You're being really clear. You're saying if poor blacks in Detroit spent more money that they don't have then the city wouldn't be in shambles. So you're blaming the economic destruction of the city on the poor black lower class that is fiscally responsible and refuses to get into the levels of debt that middle white America gets into that allows suburbs to thrive.
Is there a reason you keep attempting to introduce race into this economic discussion over and over? Are you practicing your trolling?
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Post by doodle » Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:30 pm

Sent this message to Xan, I think your behavior is out of line.
Will you please have a word with Tom regarding his trolling in the alt right to moderate discussion thread. He keeps attempting to introduce racist overtones into an economic discussion in an innappropriate fashion.
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Post by doodle » Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:06 pm

tomfoolery wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:38 pm
doodle wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:27 pm
tomfoolery wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:49 pm
doodle wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 11:44 am
tomfoolery wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:35 am
doodle wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:24 am

No, this would not be a good scenario to make capital investments....if you think it is, detroit has a bunch of empty buildings and factories they would love to sell you.
That strikes me as quite racist. As you suggesting that capital investments aren’t worth it because if a bunch if poor blacks move in, the value will plummet and they’ll sit empty due to lack of skilled labor willing to live amongst poor welfare-collecting blacks?
WTF are you talking about? Lol.

Derpty derp. I'm not sure how much simpler this can be communicated...no spending = no selling. No selling = no production. Does this make sense to you?
You're being really clear. You're saying if poor blacks in Detroit spent more money that they don't have then the city wouldn't be in shambles. So you're blaming the economic destruction of the city on the poor black lower class that is fiscally responsible and refuses to get into the levels of debt that middle white America gets into that allows suburbs to thrive.
Is there a reason you keep attempting to introduce race into this economic discussion over and over? Are you practicing your trolling?
I'm not the one who introduced race.
Actually, you are. You are now gaslighting me in addition to trolling. And after introducing it, you have continued to come back to it in an attempt to steer an economic discussion in an inappropriate fashion.
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Post by SomeDude » Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:45 pm

tomfoolery wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:49 pm
You're being really clear. You're saying if poor blacks in Detroit spent more money that they don't have then the city wouldn't be in shambles. So you're blaming the economic destruction of the city on the poor black lower class that is fiscally responsible and refuses to get into the levels of debt that middle white America gets into that allows suburbs to thrive.
When you put it like that, Marxist/Keynesian theories really do sound as dumb i thought!
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Post by SomeDude » Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:00 pm

I think Marxist and Keynesian ideas have proven themselves failures no matter where they are attempted and regardless of skin color.
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Post by Xan » Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:01 pm

Sheesh, guys.

I'm going to try to channel MediumTex here and remind everyone that this is a place that shouldn't raise anyone's blood pressure. We can discuss anything and everything, from any and every point of view. We're not going to solve the world's problems here. The world isn't going to implement whatever we come up with here, so the stakes are very low.

Let people disagree. It's okay.

Please assume that the other person is acting in good faith. Even if he isn't, please assume he is. I think 99+% of the time that's the case, except perhaps when an argument devolves into an all-or-nothing right-or-wrong melee, which is itself a great reason to avoid such arguments.

Even if [you're convinced that] the other person is acting in bad faith, keep on as though he's in good faith, or exit the conversation. As PS has said, you're really unlikely to convince the person you're arguing with, but you DO have a good chance at convincing the lurker who's reading your posts. Post with that person in mind more than the person you're arguing with.

This forum was at its height back in the day when we had more left-leaning types. We discovered a lot of things about monetary theory, for example, just by exploring things from different perspectives. It certainly is not the case that only people with certain political viewpoints are welcome here. It may be that the topic attracts more of a particular persuasion than another, which is fine if that's how it shakes out, but everyone is welcome here. Everyone should be made to feel welcome here.

I think Tom may be feeling defensive as there have been what appeared to be calls for him to be silenced. I disagree with those calls. But I also disagree with the idea that non-libertarians should be unwelcome.

Look, pmward is right that politics is not the focus of this board. So why can't we relax a bit about it? Doodle can be the resident Marxist. It doesn't mean he needs to be attacked every time he posts. Disagreed with, sure, but why not make it a friendly disagreement rather than getting all worked up? We don't have to be enemies. Moda used to call himself the resident statist, and it was fine.

What I really don't want to have happen are threads like this where moderators get called in to sort out the damage. We don't have the time or inclination. I really do not ever want to go all Bogleheads and ban political discussions, but if the alternative is micro-moderation then it would have to be considered.

I don't know that I've ever locked a thread, but this one is close. Let's keep the blood pressure low on all sides, please?
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Post by SomeDude » Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:04 pm

tomfoolery wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:58 pm
SomeDude wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:45 pm
tomfoolery wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:49 pm
You're being really clear. You're saying if poor blacks in Detroit spent more money that they don't have then the city wouldn't be in shambles. So you're blaming the economic destruction of the city on the poor black lower class that is fiscally responsible and refuses to get into the levels of debt that middle white America gets into that allows suburbs to thrive.
When you put it like that, Marxist/Keynesian theories really do sound as dumb i thought!
Please refrain from name-calling. It makes the forum less-inclusive to people who lack an understanding of economics. Doodle is entitled to his opinion that poor blacks are to blame for Detroit's downfall and while I disagree, I support his right to freely share his ideas on the forum.
I will try my best. The tragedy is the theories that have been tested in these predominantly black areas did not originate with that group. Since Marxist ideas impoverish the poor the most, they hurt non-white communities even worse. They are true institutional racism just like anti gun laws are anti women.
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Post by l82start » Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:04 pm

Xan wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:01 pm
Sheesh, guys.

I'm going to try to channel MediumTex here and remind everyone that this is a place that shouldn't raise anyone's blood pressure. We can discuss anything and everything, from any and every point of view. We're not going to solve the world's problems here. The world isn't going to implement whatever we come up with here, so the stakes are very low.

Let people disagree. It's okay.

Please assume that the other person is acting in good faith. Even if he isn't, please assume he is. I think 99+% of the time that's the case, except perhaps when an argument devolves into an all-or-nothing right-or-wrong melee, which is itself a great reason to avoid such arguments.

Even if [you're convinced that] the other person is acting in bad faith, keep on as though he's in good faith, or exit the conversation. As PS has said, you're really unlikely to convince the person you're arguing with, but you DO have a good chance at convincing the lurker who's reading your posts. Post with that person in mind more than the person you're arguing with.

This forum was at its height back in the day when we had more left-leaning types. We discovered a lot of things about monetary theory, for example, just by exploring things from different perspectives. It certainly is not the case that only people with certain political viewpoints are welcome here. It may be that the topic attracts more of a particular persuasion than another, which is fine if that's how it shakes out, but everyone is welcome here. Everyone should be made to feel welcome here.

I think Tom may be feeling defensive as there have been what appeared to be calls for him to be silenced. I disagree with those calls. But I also disagree with the idea that non-libertarians should be unwelcome.

Look, pmward is right that politics is not the focus of this board. So why can't we relax a bit about it? Doodle can be the resident Marxist. It doesn't mean he needs to be attacked every time he posts. Disagreed with, sure, but why not make it a friendly disagreement rather than getting all worked up? We don't have to be enemies. Moda used to call himself the resident statist, and it was fine.

What I really don't want to have happen are threads like this where moderators get called in to sort out the damage. We don't have the time or inclination. I really do not ever want to go all Bogleheads and ban political discussions, but if the alternative is micro-moderation then it would have to be considered.

I don't know that I've ever locked a thread, but this one is close. Let's keep the blood pressure low on all sides, please?
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Post by doodle » Tue Dec 22, 2020 4:03 pm

SomeDude wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:04 pm
tomfoolery wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:58 pm
SomeDude wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:45 pm
tomfoolery wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:49 pm
You're being really clear. You're saying if poor blacks in Detroit spent more money that they don't have then the city wouldn't be in shambles. So you're blaming the economic destruction of the city on the poor black lower class that is fiscally responsible and refuses to get into the levels of debt that middle white America gets into that allows suburbs to thrive.
When you put it like that, Marxist/Keynesian theories really do sound as dumb i thought!
Please refrain from name-calling. It makes the forum less-inclusive to people who lack an understanding of economics. Doodle is entitled to his opinion that poor blacks are to blame for Detroit's downfall and while I disagree, I support his right to freely share his ideas on the forum.
I will try my best. The tragedy is the theories that have been tested in these predominantly black areas did not originate with that group. Since Marxist ideas impoverish the poor the most, they hurt non-white communities even worse. They are true institutional racism just like anti gun laws are anti women.
The tragedy is that somehow a conversation about the paradox of thrift (a basic principle of econ 101) has been twisted into some weird conversation about Marxist ideology mixed with racist overtones.

Frankly, I'm not sure how a discussion on the lack of investors swooping in to purchase commercial and residential real estate in detroit has anything to do with Marx or race. On the other hand it has everything to do with what happens when demand dries up....as it would if everyone started spending like me (which is where this conversation began before it was dragged unecessarily into this tangent)

And for those not aware, my avatar represents an inside tongue in cheeck joke between Tom and me. Apparently though just the picture of Marx is enough to trigger some.
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Post by Mountaineer » Tue Dec 22, 2020 4:07 pm

Xan wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:01 pm
Sheesh, guys.

I'm going to try to channel MediumTex here and remind everyone that this is a place that shouldn't raise anyone's blood pressure. We can discuss anything and everything, from any and every point of view. We're not going to solve the world's problems here. The world isn't going to implement whatever we come up with here, so the stakes are very low.

Let people disagree. It's okay.

Please assume that the other person is acting in good faith. Even if he isn't, please assume he is. I think 99+% of the time that's the case, except perhaps when an argument devolves into an all-or-nothing right-or-wrong melee, which is itself a great reason to avoid such arguments.

Even if [you're convinced that] the other person is acting in bad faith, keep on as though he's in good faith, or exit the conversation. As PS has said, you're really unlikely to convince the person you're arguing with, but you DO have a good chance at convincing the lurker who's reading your posts. Post with that person in mind more than the person you're arguing with.

This forum was at its height back in the day when we had more left-leaning types. We discovered a lot of things about monetary theory, for example, just by exploring things from different perspectives. It certainly is not the case that only people with certain political viewpoints are welcome here. It may be that the topic attracts more of a particular persuasion than another, which is fine if that's how it shakes out, but everyone is welcome here. Everyone should be made to feel welcome here.

I think Tom may be feeling defensive as there have been what appeared to be calls for him to be silenced. I disagree with those calls. But I also disagree with the idea that non-libertarians should be unwelcome.

Look, pmward is right that politics is not the focus of this board. So why can't we relax a bit about it? Doodle can be the resident Marxist. It doesn't mean he needs to be attacked every time he posts. Disagreed with, sure, but why not make it a friendly disagreement rather than getting all worked up? We don't have to be enemies. Moda used to call himself the resident statist, and it was fine.

What I really don't want to have happen are threads like this where moderators get called in to sort out the damage. We don't have the time or inclination. I really do not ever want to go all Bogleheads and ban political discussions, but if the alternative is micro-moderation then it would have to be considered.

I don't know that I've ever locked a thread, but this one is close. Let's keep the blood pressure low on all sides, please?
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Post by pp4me » Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:18 pm

tomfoolery wrote:
Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:22 pm
pp4me wrote:
Mon Dec 21, 2020 5:16 pm
doodle wrote:
Sun Dec 20, 2020 5:35 pm

Hold up, did you read Tom's opening post from this thread? Who has a problem with who believing what? He basically stated anyone who disagrees with the majority viewpoints here should pack up and leave.
If that's what he said then that sounds like pure tomfoolery to me.
Who could possibly know what Tom’s opening post said at this point. We’re on page 10 and the original post has been interpreted and re-interpreted so many times, I’m pretty sure Tom, whoever that guy is, is suggesting moderators ban anyone from the forum who didn’t vote for trump and who doesn’t support martial law to destroy democracy and the will of the people.

Only alt-right conservatives who want government protectionism for multinational corporations are welcome here, according to that Tom guy.
We would all do well to listen to what people are actually saying instead of picking up on whatever we can that supports the picture we want to paint of them in our heads.

I've probably been as guilty of this as any body else over the course of my life so I have no business passing judgment on anybody else. We all live and learn but we don't learn much if we only listen to people who share our point of view.

I no longer profess to be a Christian but I still believe there is a lot of good advice in the Bible that sinks deep into your soul, assuming there actually is such a thing. I could have quoted chapter and verse in my younger days but I can still recall the verse that says "let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, and slow to wrath". Great advice, don't you think?
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Re: Message From Our Alt-Right Members to the “Moderates”

Post by vnatale » Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:38 pm

pp4me wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:18 pm
tomfoolery wrote:
Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:22 pm
pp4me wrote:
Mon Dec 21, 2020 5:16 pm
doodle wrote:
Sun Dec 20, 2020 5:35 pm

Hold up, did you read Tom's opening post from this thread? Who has a problem with who believing what? He basically stated anyone who disagrees with the majority viewpoints here should pack up and leave.
If that's what he said then that sounds like pure tomfoolery to me.
Who could possibly know what Tom’s opening post said at this point. We’re on page 10 and the original post has been interpreted and re-interpreted so many times, I’m pretty sure Tom, whoever that guy is, is suggesting moderators ban anyone from the forum who didn’t vote for trump and who doesn’t support martial law to destroy democracy and the will of the people.

Only alt-right conservatives who want government protectionism for multinational corporations are welcome here, according to that Tom guy.
We would all do well to listen to what people are actually saying instead of picking up on whatever we can that supports the picture we want to paint of them in our heads.

I've probably been as guilty of this as any body else over the course of my life so I have no business passing judgment on anybody else. We all live and learn but we don't learn much if we only listen to people who share our point of view.

I no longer profess to be a Christian but I still believe there is a lot of good advice in the Bible that sinks deep into your soul, assuming there actually is such a thing. I could have quoted chapter and verse in my younger days but I can still recall the verse that says "let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, and slow to wrath". Great advice, don't you think?
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Re: Message From Our Alt-Right Members to the “Moderates”

Post by Tortoise » Tue Dec 22, 2020 6:10 pm

tomfoolery wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:54 pm
vnatale wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:38 pm
pp4me wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:18 pm
tomfoolery wrote:
Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:22 pm
pp4me wrote:
Mon Dec 21, 2020 5:16 pm
doodle wrote:
Sun Dec 20, 2020 5:35 pm

Hold up, did you read Tom's opening post from this thread? Who has a problem with who believing what? He basically stated anyone who disagrees with the majority viewpoints here should pack up and leave.
If that's what he said then that sounds like pure tomfoolery to me.
Who could possibly know what Tom’s opening post said at this point. We’re on page 10 and the original post has been interpreted and re-interpreted so many times, I’m pretty sure Tom, whoever that guy is, is suggesting moderators ban anyone from the forum who didn’t vote for trump and who doesn’t support martial law to destroy democracy and the will of the people.

Only alt-right conservatives who want government protectionism for multinational corporations are welcome here, according to that Tom guy.
We would all do well to listen to what people are actually saying instead of picking up on whatever we can that supports the picture we want to paint of them in our heads.

I've probably been as guilty of this as any body else over the course of my life so I have no business passing judgment on anybody else. We all live and learn but we don't learn much if we only listen to people who share our point of view.

I no longer profess to be a Christian but I still believe there is a lot of good advice in the Bible that sinks deep into your soul, assuming there actually is such a thing. I could have quoted chapter and verse in my younger days but I can still recall the verse that says "let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, and slow to wrath". Great advice, don't you think?
Definitely agree!

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And thanks to you, too, Tom!

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Re: Message From Our Alt-Right Members to the “Moderates”

Post by Tortoise » Tue Dec 22, 2020 6:13 pm

tomfoolery wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 6:12 pm
Tortoise wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 6:10 pm
tomfoolery wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:54 pm
vnatale wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:38 pm
pp4me wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:18 pm
tomfoolery wrote:
Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:22 pm
pp4me wrote:
Mon Dec 21, 2020 5:16 pm
doodle wrote:
Sun Dec 20, 2020 5:35 pm

Hold up, did you read Tom's opening post from this thread? Who has a problem with who believing what? He basically stated anyone who disagrees with the majority viewpoints here should pack up and leave.
If that's what he said then that sounds like pure tomfoolery to me.
Who could possibly know what Tom’s opening post said at this point. We’re on page 10 and the original post has been interpreted and re-interpreted so many times, I’m pretty sure Tom, whoever that guy is, is suggesting moderators ban anyone from the forum who didn’t vote for trump and who doesn’t support martial law to destroy democracy and the will of the people.

Only alt-right conservatives who want government protectionism for multinational corporations are welcome here, according to that Tom guy.
We would all do well to listen to what people are actually saying instead of picking up on whatever we can that supports the picture we want to paint of them in our heads.

I've probably been as guilty of this as any body else over the course of my life so I have no business passing judgment on anybody else. We all live and learn but we don't learn much if we only listen to people who share our point of view.

I no longer profess to be a Christian but I still believe there is a lot of good advice in the Bible that sinks deep into your soul, assuming there actually is such a thing. I could have quoted chapter and verse in my younger days but I can still recall the verse that says "let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, and slow to wrath". Great advice, don't you think?
Definitely agree!

Vinny
Thanks, Vinny.

-Tom
And thanks to you, too, Tom!

-Tortoise
No need to thank me, Tortoise, it’s just what I do.

-Tom
It certainly is!

-Tortoise
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Re: Message From Our Alt-Right Members to the “Moderates”

Post by SomeDude » Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:12 pm

MangoMan wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 6:35 pm
Tortoise wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 6:13 pm
tomfoolery wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 6:12 pm
Tortoise wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 6:10 pm
tomfoolery wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:54 pm
vnatale wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:38 pm
pp4me wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:18 pm
tomfoolery wrote:
Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:22 pm
pp4me wrote:
Mon Dec 21, 2020 5:16 pm
doodle wrote:
Sun Dec 20, 2020 5:35 pm

Hold up, did you read Tom's opening post from this thread? Who has a problem with who believing what? He basically stated anyone who disagrees with the majority viewpoints here should pack up and leave.
If that's what he said then that sounds like pure tomfoolery to me.
Who could possibly know what Tom’s opening post said at this point. We’re on page 10 and the original post has been interpreted and re-interpreted so many times, I’m pretty sure Tom, whoever that guy is, is suggesting moderators ban anyone from the forum who didn’t vote for trump and who doesn’t support martial law to destroy democracy and the will of the people.

Only alt-right conservatives who want government protectionism for multinational corporations are welcome here, according to that Tom guy.
We would all do well to listen to what people are actually saying instead of picking up on whatever we can that supports the picture we want to paint of them in our heads.

I've probably been as guilty of this as any body else over the course of my life so I have no business passing judgment on anybody else. We all live and learn but we don't learn much if we only listen to people who share our point of view.

I no longer profess to be a Christian but I still believe there is a lot of good advice in the Bible that sinks deep into your soul, assuming there actually is such a thing. I could have quoted chapter and verse in my younger days but I can still recall the verse that says "let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, and slow to wrath". Great advice, don't you think?
Definitely agree!

Vinny
Thanks, Vinny.

-Tom
And thanks to you, too, Tom!

-Tortoise
No need to thank me, Tortoise, it’s just what I do.

-Tom
It certainly is!

-Tortoise
Thanks to both Tom and Tortoise.

-MangoMan
Nice job guys

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Re: Message From Our Alt-Right Members to the “Moderates”

Post by vnatale » Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:57 pm

tomfoolery wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:54 pm
vnatale wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:38 pm
pp4me wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:18 pm
tomfoolery wrote:
Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:22 pm
pp4me wrote:
Mon Dec 21, 2020 5:16 pm
doodle wrote:
Sun Dec 20, 2020 5:35 pm

Hold up, did you read Tom's opening post from this thread? Who has a problem with who believing what? He basically stated anyone who disagrees with the majority viewpoints here should pack up and leave.
If that's what he said then that sounds like pure tomfoolery to me.
Who could possibly know what Tom’s opening post said at this point. We’re on page 10 and the original post has been interpreted and re-interpreted so many times, I’m pretty sure Tom, whoever that guy is, is suggesting moderators ban anyone from the forum who didn’t vote for trump and who doesn’t support martial law to destroy democracy and the will of the people.

Only alt-right conservatives who want government protectionism for multinational corporations are welcome here, according to that Tom guy.
We would all do well to listen to what people are actually saying instead of picking up on whatever we can that supports the picture we want to paint of them in our heads.

I've probably been as guilty of this as any body else over the course of my life so I have no business passing judgment on anybody else. We all live and learn but we don't learn much if we only listen to people who share our point of view.

I no longer profess to be a Christian but I still believe there is a lot of good advice in the Bible that sinks deep into your soul, assuming there actually is such a thing. I could have quoted chapter and verse in my younger days but I can still recall the verse that says "let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, and slow to wrath". Great advice, don't you think?
Definitely agree!

Vinny
Thanks, Vinny.

-Tom
Just to be clear.... I was stating my agreement with what PP4me had stated...

Vinny
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Re: Message From Our Alt-Right Members to the “Moderates”

Post by Mark Leavy » Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:35 pm

vnatale wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:57 pm

Just to be clear.... I was stating my agreement with what PP4me had stated...

Vinny
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