The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

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Post by dualstow » Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:16 am

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Hilarious.

Next thing you know, labeling restaurants as "Italian" or "Chinese" or "Thai" is going to be considered racist. Regional cuisines will no longer be allowed to exist then, I guess. Wonder how that will go over among the soul food restaurants in Harlem.
I remember restaurants shut down because the owner was the wrong ethnicity. Two white women set up Mexican place after studying their asses off and yes, maybe they were a little flippant when joking about peeking through the windows of housewives to gain recipes. Still, imagine going through all the work to set up a restaurant and then closing because of the charge of cultural appropriation.

These same people, the pitchfork and torch mob, don’t mind a Chinese-run Korean restaurant, perhaps because at least it’s Asians who are vaguely people of color. Close enough. That’s not racist at all. O0

The charge of “exoticism” in the Joe’s article above is particularly ridiculous. Since when is it a crime to find exotic cultures exotic, and why is that mutually exclusive from respecting those cultures?
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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by pugchief » Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:29 am

dualstow wrote:
Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:16 am
sophie wrote:
Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:13 am
Hilarious.

Next thing you know, labeling restaurants as "Italian" or "Chinese" or "Thai" is going to be considered racist. Regional cuisines will no longer be allowed to exist then, I guess. Wonder how that will go over among the soul food restaurants in Harlem.
I remember restaurants shut down because the owner was the wrong ethnicity. Two white women set up Mexican place after studying their asses off and yes, maybe they were a little flippant when joking about peeking through the windows of housewives to gain recipes. Still, imagine going through all the work to set up a restaurant and then closing because of the charge of cultural appropriation.

These same people, the pitchfork and torch mob, don’t mind a Chinese-run Korean restaurant, perhaps because at least it’s Asians who are vaguely people of color. Close enough. That’s not racist at all. O0

The charge of “exoticism” in the Joe’s article above is particularly ridiculous. Since when is it a crime to find exotic cultures exotic, and why is that mutually exclusive from respecting those cultures?
A friend of mine who is a Japanese native is a French trained chef and operates a French restaurant in a nearby suburb. Guess how many people think there is something wrong with this. (Hint: zero)
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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by Cortopassi » Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:34 am

pugchief wrote:
Sun Jul 19, 2020 7:04 am
Petition asks Trader Joe's to change its 'racist' food packaging

@Cortopassi: You are Italian, your wife is Chinese. Were you guys ever offended by the logo Trader Giotto or Trader Ming? I know that my Chinese daughter in law is not.
We are not, but I see where you are going.

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Post by sophie » Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:38 am

I've been to plenty of ethnic restaurants of all kinds in NYC at which the servers and line cooks are mostly Hispanic. Nobody cares as long as the food is good - at least until now. And, does that mean that a Thai restaurant can't employ a black server?

All of which goes to show that the leftist narrative is inherently contradictory and illogical. There was a really strange article in today's WSJ which unfortunately didn't allow comments, or I'd have written one for sure. It stated a long list of studies demonstrating that working from home is more efficient than working from the office (productivity goes up), then stated several pieces of evidence that people prefer working from home, and then concluded that most workers are really really wanting to go back to working at the office. HUH?????

https://blogs.wsj.com/cio/2020/07/12/re ... pos6&dsk=y
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Post by Maddy » Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:59 am

What I'd give to have some of our "emeritus" members back on the forum to defend this sort of shit.
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Post by Libertarian666 » Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:12 am

sophie wrote:
Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:38 am
I've been to plenty of ethnic restaurants of all kinds in NYC at which the servers and line cooks are mostly Hispanic. Nobody cares as long as the food is good - at least until now. And, does that mean that a Thai restaurant can't employ a black server?

All of which goes to show that the leftist narrative is inherently contradictory and illogical. There was a really strange article in today's WSJ which unfortunately didn't allow comments, or I'd have written one for sure. It stated a long list of studies demonstrating that working from home is more efficient than working from the office (productivity goes up), then stated several pieces of evidence that people prefer working from home, and then concluded that most workers are really really wanting to go back to working at the office. HUH?????

https://blogs.wsj.com/cio/2020/07/12/re ... pos6&dsk=y
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Post by drumminj » Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:28 am

Libertarian666 wrote:
Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:12 am
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Where is the comments DB stored/who controls it? Cool idea, but it seems that person(s) has a lot of power to shape the conversation?
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Post by Libertarian666 » Sun Jul 19, 2020 11:45 am

drumminj wrote:
Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:28 am
Libertarian666 wrote:
Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:12 am
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Where is the comments DB stored/who controls it? Cool idea, but it seems that person(s) has a lot of power to shape the conversation?
It was developed by the same people who created Gab. Here are some reviews: https://www.producthunt.com/posts/disse ... er/reviews
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Post by Cortopassi » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:15 am

Re, the topic name: if the left is eating itself, Trump has swallowed the republican party whole.

I enjoyed the interview. Pretty sure Biden now has enough material to make any number of campaign commercials with it. There are just too many golden nuggets to count.

But, yep, CNN, Cillizza, another communist propagandist, like Chris Wallace, finds 55 nuggets! Go ahead, refute any/all of this.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/20/politics ... index.html
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Post by Mountaineer » Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:20 pm

This prompts me to wonder: Why do we on this board, a microcosm of the US, see the same facts/situation and come to such different conclusions? We seem to be smart, we seem to be relatively respectful of each other (not quite like the bigger country), and we seem to want what will be best for our children/grandkids/friends. What the hell is the primary issue? I am bumfuzzled!
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Post by sophie » Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:24 pm

This podcast might make you feel better. This guy is arguing that Democrats are driving away voters with their extreme positions, and many center-left voters will be pulling the lever for Trump even though they would have preferred a centrist Democratic candidate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcADgDe7MmY
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Post by stuper1 » Mon Jul 20, 2020 7:47 pm

A good Tom Woods podcast recently discussed the problems with Abe Lincoln. The historian being interviewed said that the states prior to the Civil War made up a republic. Whereas the states after the civil war are a "union" essentially in the same sense as the Soviet Union was a union, i.e. under coercion. The media are just Pravda spouting the party line to keep the fiction of a republic and the reality of this new "union" going.

He also debunked the starry eyed view that the Civil War was due to the north wanting to free the slaves. It sounds like it was fought mainly over economic issues, which is much more believable to me, as that seems the primary motivation to war.
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Post by vnatale » Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:56 pm

Mountaineer wrote:
Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:20 pm
This prompts me to wonder: Why do we on this board, a microcosm of the US, see the same facts/situation and come to such different conclusions? We seem to be smart, we seem to be relatively respectful of each other (not quite like the bigger country), and we seem to want what will be best for our children/grandkids/friends. What the hell is the primary issue? I am bumfuzzled!
I've oftentimes wondered the same.

And, one of the points I put here from someone who had been on C-Span explained it all to me.

Only 40% of information is what we actually see / hear / read. The balance is what we expect.

Therefore, though you and I (and everyone else here)may experience the same precise piece of information how we actually perceive it is heavily colored by our own worldviews and biases.

The person made the example of fans at a basketball game seeing the exact same ref's call but then having complete opposite reactions to the ref's call.

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Post by vnatale » Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:02 pm

stuper1 wrote:
Mon Jul 20, 2020 7:47 pm
A good Tom Woods podcast recently discussed the problems with Abe Lincoln. The historian being interviewed said that the states prior to the Civil War made up a republic. Whereas the states after the civil war are a "union" essentially in the same sense as the Soviet Union was a union, i.e. under coercion. The media are just Pravda spouting the party line to keep the fiction of a republic and the reality of this new "union" going.

He also debunked the starry eyed view that the Civil War was due to the north wanting to free the slaves. It sounds like it was fought mainly over economic issues, which is much more believable to me, as that seems the primary motivation to war.
NO one in the North went to War to free the slaves. Purportedly, it was to save the Union. But as is usually the case, it was pure economic interests that caused each side to go to war.

The South needed to have new states in the West be slave states as King Cotton constantly needed more land.

For the North, if the South was allowed to secede as a separate country the monied people in the North would lose their investments in the South and they'd be at the mercy of whatever prices the South wanted to charge for cotton. Finally, Lincoln knew the fledgling Republican Party would soon go extinct if so soon as its formation, the South permanently seceded from the country.

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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by Smith1776 » Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:05 pm

vnatale wrote:
Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:02 pm

NO one in the North went to War to free the slaves. Purportedly, it was to save the Union. But as is usually the case, it was pure economic interests that caused each side to go to war.

The South needed to have new states in the West be slave states as King Cotton constantly needed more land.

For the North, if the South was allowed to secede as a separate country the monied people in the North would lose their investments in the South and they'd be at the mercy of whatever prices the South wanted to charge for cotton. Finally, Lincoln knew the fledgling Republican Party would soon go extinct if so soon as its formation, the South permanently seceded from the country.

Vinny
I wish I learned more about American history in school instead of such a strong focus on Canadian history.

Stories about the Hudson's Bay Company don't exactly stoke people's interest.
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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by Cortopassi » Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:06 pm

Libertarian666 wrote:
Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:33 pm
Cortopassi wrote:
Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:15 am
Re, the topic name: if the left is eating itself, Trump has swallowed the republican party whole.

I enjoyed the interview. Pretty sure Biden now has enough material to make any number of campaign commercials with it. There are just too many golden nuggets to count.

But, yep, CNN, Cillizza, another communist propagandist, like Chris Wallace, finds 55 nuggets! Go ahead, refute any/all of this.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/20/politics ... index.html
This is all the same out-of-context quotes that all the Marxist media use. And yes, CNN is a participant in the same propaganda.

Here, I'll show you how it's done.

You said, "Trump has enough material to make any number of campaign commercials. There are just too many golden nuggets to count."

Obviously you were saying that the interview was a big success for Trump!

But there were words left out? Exactly.

This is so intellectually dishonest that I'm going to killfile you. I'm sure someone else will let me know if you decide to have an honest discussion.
Well, tech finally put me on ignore. At least that's what I think killfile means. Enjoy your echo chamber!

But really, for the others here, since tech won't do it, please take one or two of the clips from his interview and tell me how it was taken out of context. I'm not seeing it but I assume I have 8 dimensional triple bypass TDS.

Here, I'll make it easy. Two from the clips:

1) "I'll be right eventually. I will be right eventually. You know I said, 'It's going to disappear.' I'll say it again."

tech would say, well, he will be right eventually. So factually, Trump told the truth.

2) "We're going to name it after the Reverend Al Sharpton? What are you going to name it, Chris, tell me what you're going to name it?"

hmm, no underhanded dog whistle to the people worried about black folk destroying America in that...nahhh, he was just joking! He could have plucked any name out of the air but he picks a divisive civil rights black guy. Uh huh.

***Sorry all, I am a little hot and bothered tonight. Many people on the local NextDoor site are just freaking out about sending kids to school in August. And sadly, maybe if we had some coordinated leadership on the virus, we would be in a better spot and not worried about whether school actually starts or not.

But I am seriously asking why it seems so many other first world countries have fared much better than us. Where could we have done better?
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Post by Maddy » Mon Jul 20, 2020 10:08 pm

Screeching woman with 6-foot tape measure, upset about social distancing violations, has to be physically restrained and taken away.
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/12 ... distancing
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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by flyingpylon » Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:39 am

Corto, it’s been well established that Trump falls far short of your expectations. There is no defense or support of Trump that will change that.

Who or what are you proposing as an alternative? If it’s Joe Biden and the Democrats, what can you say to defend or support their behavior and the direction they appear to want to take the country?

Because that’s the choice we’re faced with here. The election is not just an isolated judgment on Trump.
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Post by Cortopassi » Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:06 am

flyingpylon wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:39 am
Corto, it’s been well established that Trump falls far short of your expectations. There is no defense or support of Trump that will change that.

Who or what are you proposing as an alternative? If it’s Joe Biden and the Democrats, what can you say to defend or support their behavior and the direction they appear to want to take the country?

Because that’s the choice we’re faced with here. The election is not just an isolated judgment on Trump.
I know and that's what sucks. Personally I wanted Mayor Pete, but I know that was a long shot. I am still hoping beyond hope that someone else jumps in on the democratic side.

But assuming not, I can't take another 4 years of politics that overtly divide us into groups. I'd rather have Biden who at least appears to try to unify people in most instances.

At this point I have friends on FB who are deeply divided on school reopening, on NextDoor the same, and basically any other subject as well. Like crazy deep seated anger at people who don't hold their positions. And obviously here. Very few seem to be able to have a rational discussion that doesn't turn hot.

Whether that is just a normal evolution of social media or something else, I don't know.
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Post by sophie » Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:29 am

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Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:06 pm
But I am seriously asking why it seems so many other first world countries have fared much better than us. Where could we have done better?
Probably belongs in the Coronavirus thread, but this is a really good question that has not been seriously addressed in the media. They just flippantly claim it's because other countries had a "national response" or stricter/longer lockdowns, but that's absolutely not true. The best counterexample is Sweden, which never locked down and still managed to look good compared to the US. Germany also implemented minimal lockdown measures on a national level, and otherwise left it up to local governments. And Denmark specifically instructed its citizens NOT to wear face masks.

Here's my guesses as to reasons for the higher US caseload: 1) more testing in the US than anywhere else, with more reliable/sensitive tests, 2) a much larger underclass than other first world countries including a huge illegal immigrant population, with a high rate of medical risk factors, 3) we did a terrible job of protecting nursing homes early on, and 4) because of the way hospitals document reasons for admission & diagnoses, COVID cases include anyone admitted to the hospital for any reason who happen to test positive - and hospitals test all admissions, both emergency and elective.

I also think a lot of non-First world countries like Russia, China, Brazil etc are severely under-testing and/or under-reporting. Probably the only reliable case numbers come from the US and Europe.
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Post by Libertarian666 » Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:09 am

vnatale wrote:
Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:02 pm
stuper1 wrote:
Mon Jul 20, 2020 7:47 pm
A good Tom Woods podcast recently discussed the problems with Abe Lincoln. The historian being interviewed said that the states prior to the Civil War made up a republic. Whereas the states after the civil war are a "union" essentially in the same sense as the Soviet Union was a union, i.e. under coercion. The media are just Pravda spouting the party line to keep the fiction of a republic and the reality of this new "union" going.

He also debunked the starry eyed view that the Civil War was due to the north wanting to free the slaves. It sounds like it was fought mainly over economic issues, which is much more believable to me, as that seems the primary motivation to war.
NO one in the North went to War to free the slaves. Purportedly, it was to save the Union. But as is usually the case, it was pure economic interests that caused each side to go to war.

The South needed to have new states in the West be slave states as King Cotton constantly needed more land.

For the North, if the South was allowed to secede as a separate country the monied people in the North would lose their investments in the South and they'd be at the mercy of whatever prices the South wanted to charge for cotton. Finally, Lincoln knew the fledgling Republican Party would soon go extinct if so soon as its formation, the South permanently seceded from the country.

Vinny
Pretty much accurate. Too bad they don't teach that in schools.
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Post by Libertarian666 » Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:10 am

Maddy wrote:
Mon Jul 20, 2020 10:08 pm
Screeching woman with 6-foot tape measure, upset about social distancing violations, has to be physically restrained and taken away.
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/12 ... distancing
Did they obey social distancing while restraining her? >:D
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Post by dualstow » Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:05 am

Smith1776 wrote:
Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:05 pm
I wish I learned more about American history in school instead of such a strong focus on Canadian history.

Stories about the Hudson's Bay Company don't exactly stoke people's interest.
I’m trying to think if I was taught any Canadian history other than pre-Canada exploration.
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Post by dualstow » Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:24 am

Maddy wrote:
Mon Jul 20, 2020 10:08 pm
Screeching woman with 6-foot tape measure, upset about social distancing violations, has to be physically restrained and taken away.
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/12 ... distancing
I took a look and was not disappointed O0
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Post by Maddy » Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:36 pm

Cortopassi wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:06 am
I'd rather have Biden who at least appears to try to unify people in most instances.
I don't at all see Biden as "unifying" people--if you're talking about unifying left with right. What you may be interpreting as "unification" is Biden's potential ability to calm down the radical left by giving them what they want. Things naturally tend to be perceived as more unified when cities aren't being torched.
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