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Re: TIPS for cash component?

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 10:18 pm
by MediumTex
foglifter wrote: Thanks for a good input, MediumTex. Do you know if the interest payments from I bonds are taxable at the state level?
I do not believe they are taxable at the state level.

Re: TIPS for cash component?

Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:37 am
by LNGTERMER
I view the PRPFX/EDV 90/10 strategy and the ibonds in the PP cash portion to be the two best ideas I have come up with in the whole PP discussion.
MediumTex, that is very interesting, are you saying instead of SHY for the cash portion we hold PRPFX/EDV 90/10? It would be nice if you can break down the holdings of the assets you are referring to. Also, is there a chart that one can look at see the progression of the Ibonds? This is an area I need to educate myself in :D.
I do agree 10 to 20% of the cash portion in SHY would suffice if there is a better and yet safer way to get returns.
Thanks

Re: TIPS for cash component?

Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:53 am
by foglifter
LNGTERMER wrote: :D
I view the PRPFX/EDV 90/10 strategy and the ibonds in the PP cash portion to be the two best ideas I have come up with in the whole PP discussion.
MediumTex, that is very interesting, are you saying instead of SHY for the cash portion we hold PRPFX/EDV 90/10?
No, I believe PRPFX/EDV 90/10 was his idea for the whole PP. It's a good choice for those who wants it as simple as possible.

Re: TIPS for cash component?

Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 12:00 pm
by LNGTERMER
Thanks foglifter, so in this case I am assuming you would still rebalance if the bands go off sync. How about a ticker for and I bond?

Re: TIPS for cash component?

Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 12:16 pm
by foglifter
LNGTERMER wrote: Thanks foglifter, so in this case I am assuming you would still rebalance if the bands go off sync. How about a ticker for and I bond?
I'm not sure if I bonds have tickers... maybe you could just treat it as a MM fund - with a share price of $1.

Re: TIPS for cash component?

Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 12:33 pm
by MediumTex
foglifter wrote:
LNGTERMER wrote: Thanks foglifter, so in this case I am assuming you would still rebalance if the bands go off sync. How about a ticker for and I bond?
I'm not sure if I bonds have tickers... maybe you could just treat it as a MM fund - with a share price of $1.
Ibonds are not traded and do not fluctuate in value.

You just buy them and there is an interest adjustment every month that is based on CPI and the bond's fixed rate when issued.

As I mentioned in my earlier post, the free Savings Bond Wizard software allows you to track savings bond values from month to month.

Re: TIPS for cash component?

Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 12:48 pm
by LNGTERMER
Thanks,
PRPFX/EDV 90/10
This is very simple, but what is your rational for 10% EDV? Why not just use PRPFX as is?

Re: TIPS for cash component?

Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:54 pm
by MediumTex
LNGTERMER wrote: Thanks,
PRPFX/EDV 90/10
This is very simple, but what is your rational for 10% EDV? Why not just use PRPFX as is?
PRPFX does not provide you with the LT treasury exposure that HB recommended.  EDV helps fill this gap and causes PRPFX to simulate the HB PP performance more closely.

There are some charts over on the bogleheads board showing how EDV dampens the volatility of PRPFX.

It sounds simple, but a lot of thought (and trial and error) went into it.

Re: TIPS for cash component?

Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:23 pm
by SmallPotatoes
MediumTex wrote:
LNGTERMER wrote: Thanks,
PRPFX/EDV 90/10
This is very simple, but what is your rational for 10% EDV? Why not just use PRPFX as is?
PRPFX does not provide you with the LT treasury exposure that HB recommended.  EDV helps fill this gap and causes PRPFX to simulate the HB PP performance more closely.

There are some charts over on the bogleheads board showing how EDV dampens the volatility of PRPFX.

It sounds simple, but a lot of thought (and trial and error) went into it.

Hey, MT:  What about 90/10 PRPFX + A 30-year bond ladder?


Re: TIPS for cash component?

Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 8:37 am
by MediumTex
SmallPotatoes wrote: Hey, MT:  What about 90/10 PRPFX + A 30-year bond ladder?
The bond ladder probably doesn't give you enough volatility for purposes of this strategy.

EDV provides a lot of desired volatility in a small package (probably about 1.5 x what a bond ladder would provide).

EDV has very low expenses and Vanguard lets you buy and sell it for free.