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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by dualstow » Thu Aug 20, 2020 2:02 pm

Cortopassi wrote:
Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:16 pm
Trump posted the tweet.
Yup. I follow him and I did see the tweet.
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by jalanlong » Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:04 pm

Cortopassi wrote:
Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:16 pm
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Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:08 pm
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Thu Aug 20, 2020 12:56 pm
Ok, sure I'll take that on.

Shekels, Inc has 100 facilities. One facility had a manager who was pissed at all that's going on and threw up this slide in a training to purposely cause a shitstorm, and get the president to react, which he does.

Now, Shekels, Inc. suffers a 50% drop in sales not because of a local idiot manager/employee putting up an ill advised slide, but because the president tweeted Skekels, Inc. sucks and you should buy your widget elsewhere...

Does that change (I know it won't) your mind about the power of the presidential tweet and the stupidity of tweeting before all facts are known about something?
I have not posted Trumps tweet to share with the world.
So who did not know all the facts, before posting the tweet and perpetuating the tweet?

I guess if you feel so strongly buy some Goodyear stock and make a killing.
Because you know Trumps stupid tweet is Fake/False.

The only mistake I see is a Goodyear subsidiary made is it was written down on a slide.
Trump posted the tweet. For the world. He did not know all the facts, or chose to ignore them, or not wait for them to come out. Someone brought him a picture of that slide, with scant information I would guess, and he shot off a tweet.

Whether his tweet was 100% true, 100% false or somewhere in between, he has the power to wreak havoc on whomever is the target of the tweet.

If he is ok with doing that to a US company, and possibly risk thousands of US jobs because their sales go down, I just do not see any possible way that can be justified, but as you know I have my TDS blinders on.
Do you mean like last month when AOC tweeted that people should boycott Goya foods because their CEO praised Trump? Is that the kind of power to wreck havoc and risk jobs with a tweet that you mean? I am going to assume that a large percentage of Goya's employees do not agree with their CEO. Should they have all been punished by AOC's boycott call?
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by shekels » Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:41 pm

Cortopassi wrote:
Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:16 pm


Whether his tweet was 100% true, 100% false or somewhere in between, he has the power to wreak havoc on whomever is the target of the tweet.

If he is ok with doing that to a US company, and possibly risk thousands of US jobs because their sales go down, I just do not see any possible way that can be justified, but as you know I have my TDS blinders on.
Update:
So now the employee's can have a little more freedom of expression. :o
Does the CEO realize he created such a Toxic environment? ^-^
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by Cortopassi » Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:11 pm

jalanlong wrote:
Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:04 pm

Do you mean like last month when AOC tweeted that people should boycott Goya foods because their CEO praised Trump? Is that the kind of power to wreck havoc and risk jobs with a tweet that you mean? I am going to assume that a large percentage of Goya's employees do not agree with their CEO. Should they have all been punished by AOC's boycott call?
Absolutely not. She as well was wrong.
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by Cortopassi » Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:12 pm

I do hope that employee was fired.
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by Kriegsspiel » Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:43 pm

Some of the older forumites may remember the good ole days when parents taught their kids to be polite, and not share their filthy political and/or religious views with other people.
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by stuper1 » Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:51 pm

Apparently it's now okay to share your political views even at work, just so long as you are on the right side of history. Fascists just need to shut up.
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by jalanlong » Thu Aug 20, 2020 6:00 pm

Cortopassi wrote:
Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:11 pm
jalanlong wrote:
Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:04 pm

Do you mean like last month when AOC tweeted that people should boycott Goya foods because their CEO praised Trump? Is that the kind of power to wreck havoc and risk jobs with a tweet that you mean? I am going to assume that a large percentage of Goya's employees do not agree with their CEO. Should they have all been punished by AOC's boycott call?
Absolutely not. She as well was wrong.
I am by no means a Trump supporter. But I know enough people that are to know that they are tired of the Left and their constant calls for boycotts of places they don't agree with, whether it is FedEx on NRA member discounts or Chick Fila and Hobby Lobby on religious beliefs. Their feeling is that the Left started it and Trump is just playing by the same rules they set up. And I do not disagree with them.

Personally I wish people would just stop with the whole "everyone has to agree with me or I will punish them" thing. Especially since people are VERY selective in their outrage. Nobody vets their dentist or local butcher shop to make sure they are all on the same page politically and culturally. They only do it on the large businesses that make headlines. However, if people and businesses are going to continue to be called out for having opposing views then it needs to go both ways.
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by glennds » Thu Aug 20, 2020 6:27 pm

Kriegsspiel wrote:
Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:43 pm
Some of the older forumites may remember the good ole days when parents taught their kids to be polite, and not share their filthy political and/or religious views with other people.
Allegedly,there was once a time when people's political and/or religious views weren't even filthy. Weird.
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by Kriegsspiel » Thu Aug 20, 2020 6:46 pm

glennds wrote:
Thu Aug 20, 2020 6:27 pm
Kriegsspiel wrote:
Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:43 pm
Some of the older forumites may remember the good ole days when parents taught their kids to be polite, and not share their filthy political and/or religious views with other people.
Allegedly,there was once a time when people's political and/or religious views weren't even filthy. Weird.
It's more fun to imply that everyone's views are filthy.
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by Tortoise » Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:53 pm

Dieter wrote:
Thu Aug 20, 2020 7:39 pm
How about the post office?

https://www.latimes.com/california/stor ... fice-chaos
I'm assuming most people realize that the whole push for universal mail-in voting and drumming up controversy around the USPS is so that when Trump inevitably wins the election in November, the Left will be able to maximize chaos by claiming the election was rigged/stolen.

Is my assumption correct? Or do some people still not find it obvious that Coup Attempt 2.0 is coming in November?
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by Dieter » Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:40 pm

Tortoise wrote:
Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:53 pm
Dieter wrote:
Thu Aug 20, 2020 7:39 pm
How about the post office?

https://www.latimes.com/california/stor ... fice-chaos
I'm assuming most people realize that the whole push for universal mail-in voting and drumming up controversy around the USPS is so that when Trump inevitably wins the election in November, the Left will be able to maximize chaos by claiming the election was rigged/stolen.

Is my assumption correct? Or do some people still not find it obvious that Coup Attempt 2.0 is coming in November?
I'd flip it a bit, with Republicans doing everything they can to try to keep Trump in power, and will use any and all of these excuses as reasons to question the results when he looses and not leave office.

As well as colluding with Russians, voter suppression, and now limiting USPS access and throughout.

Of course, I've seen many on the furthur left planning to vote third party in "safe" states... Trump might just win California.

Damn liberals... :)

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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by Tortoise » Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:45 pm

Dieter wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:40 pm
Tortoise wrote:
Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:53 pm
I'm assuming most people realize that the whole push for universal mail-in voting and drumming up controversy around the USPS is so that when Trump inevitably wins the election in November, the Left will be able to maximize chaos by claiming the election was rigged/stolen.
I'd flip it a bit, with Republicans doing everything they can to try to keep Trump in power, and will use any and all of these excuses as reasons to question the results when he looses and not leave office.
Can you clarify? Trump and his supporters aren't the ones pushing for universal mail-in voting. The Dems are.
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by Dieter » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:12 pm

Tortoise wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:45 pm
Dieter wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:40 pm
Tortoise wrote:
Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:53 pm
I'm assuming most people realize that the whole push for universal mail-in voting and drumming up controversy around the USPS is so that when Trump inevitably wins the election in November, the Left will be able to maximize chaos by claiming the election was rigged/stolen.
I'd flip it a bit, with Republicans doing everything they can to try to keep Trump in power, and will use any and all of these excuses as reasons to question the results when he looses and not leave office.
Can you clarify? Trump and his supporters aren't the ones pushing for universal mail-in voting. The Dems are.
Trump is claiming voting by mail fraud when there isn't evidence to support massive voter fraud.

If there is a lot of voting by mail and he loses, he could keep going with his rhetoric that see, I warned you, oodles of voter fraud. Our numbers show we didn't lose ; I'm not going to accept these results.
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by Tortoise » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:21 pm

Dieter wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:12 pm
If there is a lot of voting by mail and [Trump] loses, he could keep going with his rhetoric that see, I warned you, oodles of voter fraud. Our numbers show we didn't lose ; I'm not going to accept these results.
Given that that’s a distinct possibility, why did the Dems give Trump that card to play?

If universal mail-in voting plays to Trump’s advantage and not the Dems’, why did the Dems push for it?
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Post by WiseOne » Fri Aug 21, 2020 8:31 pm

On the topic of "what has Trump done that was good", here's a big one:

https://reason.com/2020/08/21/its-time- ... elehealth/

Reason magazine is very much anti-Trump, so they're very careful not to credit him in this article. However, I remember clearly that it was Trump who signed the executive order to wipe away the regulatory barriers that had been choking telemedicine efforts. The result was a revolution in outpatient medicine, and it will be very hard for the bureaucrats to put everything back into their Pandora's box.

I'm not sure how many Republicans would have done this. For sure no Democrat would ever have signed such an order; they only make new rules, they would never take them away. If Hilary Clinton had been elected, I can only imagine what would have happened with the lockdowns in place and hospital ERs mostly overwhelmed with COVID cases. Literally, no one would have been able to get a doctor visit, unless their doctor was willing to return a phone call. Most aren't because phone calls (pre-executive order) could not be billed, i.e. they were a free service. So without Trump and his executive order on telehealth, there would have been an even more serious lack of routine medical care during the worst of the pandemic, the financial hit to outpatient practices would have been far more devastating, and we would not now have this terrific new way of practicing outpatient medicine.
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Post by boglerdude » Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:03 pm

> It's so that the Democrats can cheat a lot more than usual.

Please list all the ways they will
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by Cortopassi » Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:21 pm

boglerdude wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:03 pm
> It's so that the Democrats can cheat a lot more than usual.

Please list all the ways they will
They just will, it's obvious dontcha know, they're democrats (psst..communists, Marxists, Antifa, BLM, coming for your wives, your houses, your guns, etc...) ::)
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by Dieter » Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:35 pm

WiseOne wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 8:31 pm
On the topic of "what has Trump done that was good", here's a big one:

https://reason.com/2020/08/21/its-time- ... elehealth/

Reason magazine is very much anti-Trump, so they're very careful not to credit him in this article. However, I remember clearly that it was Trump who signed the executive order to wipe away the regulatory barriers that had been choking telemedicine efforts. The result was a revolution in outpatient medicine, and it will be very hard for the bureaucrats to put everything back into their Pandora's box.

I'm not sure how many Republicans would have done this. For sure no Democrat would ever have signed such an order; they only make new rules, they would never take them away. If Hilary Clinton had been elected, I can only imagine what would have happened with the lockdowns in place and hospital ERs mostly overwhelmed with COVID cases. Literally, no one would have been able to get a doctor visit, unless their doctor was willing to return a phone call. Most aren't because phone calls (pre-executive order) could not be billed, i.e. they were a free service. So without Trump and his executive order on telehealth, there would have been an even more serious lack of routine medical care during the worst of the pandemic, the financial hit to outpatient practices would have been far more devastating, and we would not now have this terrific new way of practicing outpatient medicine.
Interesting article.

Yeah, I think more should be allowed online long term.

Do worry about across state lines and the race to the bottom that this can engender.
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Post by boglerdude » Sat Aug 22, 2020 3:03 am

> They just will, it's obvious dontcha know, they're democrats (psst..communists, Marxists, Antifa, BLM, coming for your wives, your houses, your guns, etc...)

TDS!!

I frequently have to remind myself that our goldbug is a coder who contributes quite a bit to society, overall =)
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Post by shekels » Sat Aug 22, 2020 9:02 am

Cortopassi wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:21 pm
boglerdude wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:03 pm
> It's so that the Democrats can cheat a lot more than usual.

Please list all the ways they will
They just will, it's obvious dontcha know, they're democrats (psst..communists, Marxists, Antifa, BLM, coming for your wives, your houses, your guns, etc...) ::)
Here are a couple of Horror stories on Mail In Voting.

There are many more , look at Patterson N.J.
You can look it up yourselves if interested.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJO4YwSCSPI

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020 ... oter-dead/
https://www.dailyrecord.com/story/news/ ... 257291001/
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Post by WiseOne » Sat Aug 22, 2020 9:41 am

Dieter wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:35 pm
WiseOne wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 8:31 pm
On the topic of "what has Trump done that was good", here's a big one:

https://reason.com/2020/08/21/its-time- ... elehealth/

Reason magazine is very much anti-Trump, so they're very careful not to credit him in this article. However, I remember clearly that it was Trump who signed the executive order to wipe away the regulatory barriers that had been choking telemedicine efforts. The result was a revolution in outpatient medicine, and it will be very hard for the bureaucrats to put everything back into their Pandora's box.

I'm not sure how many Republicans would have done this. For sure no Democrat would ever have signed such an order; they only make new rules, they would never take them away. If Hilary Clinton had been elected, I can only imagine what would have happened with the lockdowns in place and hospital ERs mostly overwhelmed with COVID cases. Literally, no one would have been able to get a doctor visit, unless their doctor was willing to return a phone call. Most aren't because phone calls (pre-executive order) could not be billed, i.e. they were a free service. So without Trump and his executive order on telehealth, there would have been an even more serious lack of routine medical care during the worst of the pandemic, the financial hit to outpatient practices would have been far more devastating, and we would not now have this terrific new way of practicing outpatient medicine.
Interesting article.

Yeah, I think more should be allowed online long term.

Do worry about across state lines and the race to the bottom that this can engender.
Why?

In the NYC area, patients who go to city medical centers live in New Jersey and Connecticut. Can you list one good reason why their physicians at the city medical center shouldn't be allowed to conduct a video visit to their homes? But of course they COULD do so if said person drove their car just inside the New York State border and did the visit from their car. What exactly about that makes sense to you?

As far as the "race to the bottom", I think it's outstanding that people in expensive health care markets (generally due to monopoly pricing) can now access care in cheaper markets if they are in a position to pay cash. Remember that telehealth means no in person physical exam, so it's generally for followups only, or new patient visits for a limited set of conditions.
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Post by Dieter » Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:25 am

The concern is in why is it cheaper.

Tends to go lower salary, lower benefits, lower safety.

Limited say in regulations from other states.

Yes, can go in person across state lines, but that's really not comparable to driving for hours to cross state lines.

States in a given region also seem more similar -- New York compared to Connecticut vs Georgia.
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Post by Dieter » Sat Aug 22, 2020 2:27 pm

WiseOne wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 8:31 pm
On the topic of "what has Trump done that was good", here's a big one:

https://reason.com/2020/08/21/its-time- ... elehealth/

Reason magazine is very much anti-Trump, so they're very careful not to credit him in this article. However, I remember clearly that it was Trump who signed the executive order to wipe away the regulatory barriers that had been choking telemedicine efforts. The result was a revolution in outpatient medicine, and it will be very hard for the bureaucrats to put everything back into their Pandora's box.

I'm not sure how many Republicans would have done this. For sure no Democrat would ever have signed such an order; they only make new rules, they would never take them away. If Hilary Clinton had been elected, I can only imagine what would have happened with the lockdowns in place and hospital ERs mostly overwhelmed with COVID cases. Literally, no one would have been able to get a doctor visit, unless their doctor was willing to return a phone call. Most aren't because phone calls (pre-executive order) could not be billed, i.e. they were a free service. So without Trump and his executive order on telehealth, there would have been an even more serious lack of routine medical care during the worst of the pandemic, the financial hit to outpatient practices would have been far more devastating, and we would not now have this terrific new way of practicing outpatient medicine.

Well, in another version of whataboutism, the Senate report on President Clinton's "disastrous" response to COVID-19 would be coming out about now.

"The President's overblown, unneeded and yet ineffective steps to combat Covid-19 shall not go unexamind. The untold billions of financial losses and the deaths of almost 1,000 american lives will not go unremarked or unpunished" from a joint statement by the Republican Speaker of the House and Senate majority leader.


If it had gotten as bad as it has, I don't think can say for certain that regulations on TeleDoc wouldn't have been lightened. If nothing else, the Republican legislature sure would have pushed for it, and Clinton IMO likely would have gone along, if for political if not other reasons
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