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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by pugchief » Sat Oct 26, 2019 1:55 pm

dualstow wrote:
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but with the U.S. pulling out, Iran understandably had no reason to continue to keep up their end of the bargain. (which they had been doing).
Had they? Multiple reports said otherwise.
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by dualstow » Sat Oct 26, 2019 3:41 pm

Well, multiple reports say they had.
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by I Shrugged » Sat Oct 26, 2019 3:50 pm

dualstow wrote:
Fri Oct 25, 2019 5:09 pm
That’s kind of like what Shekels said.
Did we not know corruption existed before Trump came along? Insisting Obama was not American and then running for office. Did we not know of corruption before that?
The American public, I think, had very little idea about how smelly the swamp is.
I consider myself informed, and I had no idea about some of the inter-agency spying, dirty tricks, and so forth.

Likewise, I don't think the average American saw the media as being house organs of the Dem party. I did, but it wasn't as extreme as now. Now everyone can see it if they care to. At least, a great many people will see it.

It just seems to me that a Pandora's box has been opened. I always rooted for this and thought that if it happened, it would delegitimize the government, and that would be a good thing. Now I'm not as sure about the last part. Although still leaning that way.
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by sophie » Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:01 am

dualstow wrote:
Sat Oct 26, 2019 3:41 pm
Well, multiple reports say they had.
I've read both, so I genuinely don't know.

Is it really possible for a President, acting completely alone, to shred a signed treaty without (at the very least) some agreement within his administration? I have always thought there is an untold story here, and version we've been fed is way too simplistic. As, unfortunately, is the case with most things.
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by shekels » Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:19 am

dualstow wrote:
Sat Oct 26, 2019 1:38 pm
oh, Shekels, the agreement is a’shambles.
I’ll write more later, but with the U.S. pulling out, Iran understandably had no reason to continue to keep up their end of the bargain. (which they had been doing).
So I would guess the other countries in this agreement were window dressing.
I can see why the agreement was not all that great for the U.S.
But I just don't see that the U.S. is the only player here with Iran.
There were other countries involved.

Maybe I am looking at it as us vs them.
But why couldn't the agreement still go on without the U.S. involvement?
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by dualstow » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:59 pm

sophie wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:01 am
dualstow wrote:
Sat Oct 26, 2019 3:41 pm
Well, multiple reports say they had.
I've read both, so I genuinely don't know.

Is it really possible for a President, acting completely alone, to shred a signed treaty without (at the very least) some agreement within his administration? I have always thought there is an untold story here, and version we've been fed is way too simplistic. As, unfortunately, is the case with most things.
Isn’t that the President’s M.O., Sophie? He does what he wants and, when told “You can’t do that, Mr President” one too many times, then he fires that person for insubordination and replaces him or her. He’s made it clear that he doesn’t put much credence into intelligence agencies, either.

More later, when I get rid of my houseguest.
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by dualstow » Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:01 pm

shekels wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:19 am
dualstow wrote:
Sat Oct 26, 2019 1:38 pm
oh, Shekels, the agreement is a’shambles.
I’ll write more later, but with the U.S. pulling out, Iran understandably had no reason to continue to keep up their end of the bargain. (which they had been doing).
So I would guess the other countries in this agreement were window dressing.
I can see why the agreement was not all that great for the U.S.
But I just don't see that the U.S. is the only player here with Iran.
There were other countries involved.

Maybe I am looking at it as us vs them.
But why couldn't the agreement still go on without the U.S. involvement?

While I wouldn’t discount the European players as window dressing, the U.S. is obvoiusly weighty. Trump is ultimately the one putting a stranglehold on the Iranian economy. He even threatened European countries who want to buy oil from Iran. The treaty is a piece of paper. Who knows what Trump is going to do from day to day?
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by dualstow » Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:34 am

A side question for technovelist:

Since you believe Trump is doing a good job, what is the main reason you don’t own less gold and more stocks?

Presidential terms are too short?
This is beyond his powers and abilities?
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by technovelist » Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:26 am

dualstow wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:34 am
A side question for technovelist:

Since you believe Trump is doing a good job, what is the main reason you don’t own less gold and more stocks?

Presidential terms are too short?
This is beyond his powers and abilities?
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My opinion is that there is going to be a currency reset at some point, necessitating a revaluing of gold, although the timing as always is uncertain.
Gold also gives me the greatest ability to choose when to take gains and losses, so that I can likely remain in a very low tax bracket in retirement.
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by dualstow » Fri Nov 01, 2019 7:43 am

The only part I don’t get is
gold gives me the greatest ability to choose when I take gains and losses
It’s not equal to holding shares of the overall stock market? (e.g. VTI)
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by technovelist » Fri Nov 01, 2019 10:49 am

dualstow wrote:
Fri Nov 01, 2019 7:43 am
The only part I don’t get is
gold gives me the greatest ability to choose when I take gains and losses
It’s not equal to holding shares of the overall stock market? (e.g. VTI)
Does that pay dividends? Can you specify individual shares when you sell? (I'm not joking; I actually don't know).
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by Kbg » Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:04 am

The Iran stuff was classic Bolton. It will be interesting to see how things workout going forward. Also, no one should ever think international law or treaties work anything like a law or regulation at lower levels. I don’t know, but I imagine the calculus was...yeah, the Iranians may be keeping the treaty but all this other stuff they are doing needs a counter and this treaty isn’t helping in how we can respond...therefore, toss the treaty. We will tick off the Europeans, who cares. The Russians are with the Iranians in most Middle East issue, so ditto who cares. Side benefit of tossing the treaty, sends a message to the Iranians, game on.
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