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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:10 am
by Kriegsspiel
On the other hand, aren't our increasingly sterile environments leading to an increase in allergies/immune system disorders?
Re: Is Trump doing a good job?
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:21 am
by Cortopassi
MangoMan wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:07 am
Personally, I hope I never have to shake hands with anyone ever again.
I *love* shaking hands when meeting someone.
As for # of kids, that was just a statement. 20 is more reasonable, but my concern is more centered on will desks be placed back to normal distances? Will people be able to stand tightly in any kind of lines for anything without freaking? For food, sporting events, etc.
Re: Is Trump doing a good job?
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:25 am
by Kriegsspiel
Speaking of, I just listened to Joel Salatin on JRE, and he was talking the gross things he does to keep his immune system in working order ("I haven't had any kind of illness in 20 years"), like drinking 'clean' (his words) water out of the beef watering trough that they'd been slobbering in, sticking his hands in the compost pile, and eating a bit of dirt with his asparagus that he just harvested out of his garden.
I'll admit I probably eat more dirt than the average American, the backyard garden being to blame, of course.
Re: Is Trump doing a good job?
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:32 am
by Kriegsspiel
Cortopassi wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:21 am
As for # of kids, that was just a statement. 20 is more reasonable, but my concern is more centered on will desks be placed back to normal distances? Will people be able to stand tightly in any kind of lines for anything without freaking? For food, sporting events, etc.
I think people will put it out of mind once the media onslaught abates. Or maybe, as more and more people get fed up and stop clicking on those stories, they'll hit some critical mass and switch to some other type of programming, and then the rest of the people will move past it.
As in, teachers put desks far apart and talk about social distancing at school, but since none of the kids (or the teacher) knows anyone who's died from it, and they don't hear from the media about how someone died from it on the other side of the country last week, they'll just... stop.
Re: Is Trump doing a good job?
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:35 am
by Kriegsspiel
By the way:
Using data on the reopening decisions of 835 public school districts in the United States, we find that school districts in locations with stronger teachers’ unions are less likely to reopen in person even after we control semi-parametrically for differences in local demographic characteristics. These results are robust to four measures of union strength, various potential confounding characteristics, and a further disaggregation to the county level.
We also do not find evidence to suggest that measures of COVID-19 risk are correlated with school reopening decisions. link
via Tyler Cowen.
Re: Is Trump doing a good job?
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:43 pm
by vnatale
Kriegsspiel wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:25 am
Speaking of, I just listened to Joel Salatin on JRE, and he was talking the gross things he does to keep his immune system in working order ("I haven't had any kind of illness in 20 years"), like drinking 'clean' (his words) water out of the beef watering trough that they'd been slobbering in, sticking his hands in the compost pile, and eating a bit of dirt with his asparagus that he just harvested out of his garden.
I'll admit I probably eat more dirt than the average American, the backyard garden being to blame, of course.
I laugh at my friend when she washes what she takes out of my garden. I don't use any pesticides on anything. I generally do not wash what I take out of my garden. It's basically completely organic. All my fertilizer is from leaves on my property.
Vinny
Re: Is Trump doing a good job?
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:13 pm
by Kbg
It will be interesting to see how things change. History shows thing go mostly back to normal with some changes to pre-event norms. I kind of hope we will become a little more Asian with regard to masking when sick (flu/colds). It's not a big deal to do and it does mitigate the spread of aerosol borne pathogens (doesn't prevent). Another nice thing would be if the "norm" became stay home if you are sick vs. spreading your illness to others. My grandparents, who were not yet born but grew up in families hit by the Spanish Flu, definitely "holed up" when they had what they thought was the flu...simply to not spread it to others.
Re: Is Trump doing a good job?
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:44 pm
by Tortoise
Kbg wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:13 pm
I kind of hope we will become a little more Asian with regard to masking when sick (flu/colds).
I can't remember if someone on this forum posted this article a while back (if so, my bad), but I was interested to learn recently that one of the big reasons why mask-wearing became so common in East Asian countries was due to the historical influence of Taoism:
The underlying reason could be philosophical: All three countries [Japan, China, and Korea] have been broadly influenced by Taoism and the health precepts of Traditional Chinese Medicine, in which breath and breathing are seen as a central element in good health. “‘Qi’ is a central concept in Chinese cosmology—and thereby physiology—generally having to do with energy and vapor,” explains Michelle M. Ching, a board certified practitioner of acupuncture and herbal medicine based in Los Angeles. “Qi has numerous meanings in Chinese including ‘air’ [kong qi], ‘atmosphere’ [qi fen], ‘odor’ [qi wei], which is perhaps another reason masks are so necessary in China!, ‘strength’ [li qi] and ‘pathogen’ [xie qi]. When bodily qi is depleted, or its movement deranged, pain and disease develop. So breathing is critical in order to maintain good qi in the body.”
Meanwhile, the intake of “feng,” or noxious wind, is considered the most potent and common of TCM’s “Six External Causes” of disease. “Think about wind,” says Ching. “It can blow open doors, blow cool air off a body of water to the land surrounding it, or fire from one part of the forest to another. The door analogy relates to TCM’s understanding of how exposure to wind can weaken our body’s defenses.”(Perhaps as a permutation of these ideas, East Asia has numerous ancillary superstitions about air and wind, the most notable of which is a deathly fear of sleeping in rooms with running electric fans, a belief that has its epicenter in Korea, where “fan death” phobia remains rampant even today.)
The bottom line is that in East Asia, the predilection toward using face-coverings to prevent exposure to bad air is something that predates the germ theory of disease, and extends into the very foundations of East Asian culture. In recent years, however, mask-wearing has become rooted in new and increasingly postmodern rationales.
https://qz.com/299003/a-quick-history-o ... in-public/
I'm all in favor of America adopting a permanent custom of expecting sick people (those with fevers, coughs, etc.) to wear masks in public if they can't stay home, but the idea that
everyone has to wear them -- including healthy people who feel perfectly fine -- seems like extreme overkill to me since masks are more for protecting others, not yourself.
Re: Is Trump doing a good job?
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:48 am
by WiseOne
Agree, Tortoise!
My colleagues and I have always done this. If I had to work while sick I would put on a mask before going to see a patient. We should do the same for our colleagues. Mask if you’re coughing and have a lower bar for staying home. Nobody likes standing next to a colleague who proudly says they came to work sick. Brownie points for that needs to end.
Keeping in mind that this is worlds away from universal mask mandates. Apart from the numerous studies showing ineffectiveness when used as a public health measure. I wonder why there’s been so little effort put into figuring out precisely the circumstances where people get infected. I’ll bet it’s because there is precious little evidence for casual, transient contact eg walking past someone on a city sidewalk. Even the reports of cases following large events aren’t convincing by themselves, because usually groups of friends or colleagues attend them and they could have spread virus to each other at any time, not just at the large event.
Re: Is Trump doing a good job?
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:37 am
by dualstow
I’m not sure how Trump is doing, but Tim Pool is right: the rioters may as well be out there campaigning for Trump. The democrats aren't doing enough to stop them. They've gotten me to hate them more than republicans. This is going to make voting for a D or an R very difficult this year.
Re: Is Trump doing a good job?
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:58 pm
by shekels
I saw this quote on another site.
There will be endless smear campaigns and accusations against Trump,
because so many people fall for deception.
"As someone who had severe TDS until June of this year, watching these smear campaigns come out nonstop is insane. I used to fall for them. I believed them. I have posted about how hard it is to pull yourself out of that TDS because you have to admit that you are easily manipulated and you were wrong.
I can finally see how they do it. On the outside looking in now, I compare it to being the sober person in a room with a bunch of drunk people you used to drink with - I’m sure a lot of you know that feeling. They look and act ridiculous, and it’s embarrassing. You want to help them, but they won’t listen.
It is slow and methodical brainwashing. They don’t realize they have been initiated into a cult of lies and propaganda. Again, it is HARD to walk away from that. I have heard it being compared to having to knock down your internal belief system and completely rebuild. That is how it felt for me.
Anyway, my point is - Women for Trump and f*ck your feelings!"
Re: Is Trump doing a good job?
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:35 pm
by flyingpylon
Libertarian666 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:15 pm
dualstow wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:37 am
I’m not sure how Trump is doing, but Tim Pool is right: the
rioters may as well be out there campaigning for Trump. The democrats aren't doing enough to stop them. They've gotten me to hate them more than republicans. This is going to make voting for a D or an R very difficult this year.
You don't have to like Trump.
But if you don't want riots, you have to vote for Trump.
In fact, if you want Western Civilization to survive, you have to vote for Trump.
Those are the stakes.
Curiously, some people seem to think the end of Western Civilization is an acceptable trade-off.
Re: Is Trump doing a good job?
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:21 pm
by Tortoise
Re: Is Trump doing a good job?
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:34 pm
by vnatale
Just watched it.
However how does it counter the fact that everything depicted IS Trumps' America? Therefore, by what logic does it change for the better?
Vinny
Re: Is Trump doing a good job?
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:05 pm
by Cortopassi
vnatale wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:34 pm
Just watched it.
However how does it counter the fact that everything depicted IS Trumps' America? Therefore, by what logic does it change for the better?
Vinny
Bingo. What happens Nov 4th if Trump is re=elected? What gets better? What is he doing now to make it better? I see nothing at all from Trump that is trying to lower the temperature of this and he IS the CURRENT president. All he is serving to do is inflame things.
All he does is blame those democratic mayors and governors, which will STILL be there on Nov 4th.
There is no current leadership on this from the administration. Only blame. Please elaborate if there is anything positive. I am not seeing it.
It is like a trailer for a dystopian movie, I'll give it that!
Re: Is Trump doing a good job?
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:54 pm
by Kriegsspiel
Cortopassi wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:05 pm
vnatale wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:34 pm
Just watched it.
However how does it counter the fact that everything depicted IS Trumps' America? Therefore, by what logic does it change for the better?
Vinny
Bingo. What happens Nov 4th if Trump is re=elected? What gets better? What is he doing now to make it better? I see nothing at all from Trump that is trying to lower the temperature of this and he IS the CURRENT president. All he is serving to do is inflame things.
All he does is blame those democratic mayors and governors, which will STILL be there on Nov 4th.
There is no current leadership on this from the administration. Only blame. Please elaborate if there is anything positive. I am not seeing it.
Operation Legend. Deputizing Oregon State Police to quell rioting that, yes, leftist mayors, governors, and DAs refused to do, and apparently were actively aiding (The Oregon Speaker of the House's legislative director was arrested this week for rioting in Portland). Offering federal help to, for instance, Chicago to get their rioting under control. Meanwhile Biden's campaign provided money to bail out rioters.
Trump is providing the better leadership here.
Re: Is Trump doing a good job?
Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 12:36 pm
by Tortoise
Left-leaning folks often complain that Trump doesn't do enough to try to unify the nation and reduce divisiveness.
But last week, Trump's administration
issued a directive to all federal agencies requiring them to remove "critical race theory" (i.e., racist anti-white theory) from their training.
Critical race theory is one of the ideological roots of BLM and is incredibly divisive. Trump's attack on it is therefore a direct effort to reduce divisiveness within our nation.
Re: Is Trump doing a good job?
Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 3:28 pm
by doodle
Trump deplanes Air Force One in Michigan to CCR's Fortunate Son. What a douche. Daddy's little draft dodging fortunate son...
Re: Is Trump doing a good job?
Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 5:04 pm
by Cortopassi
doodle wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 3:28 pm
Trump deplanes Air Force One in Michigan to CCR's Fortunate Son. What a douche. Daddy's little draft dodging fortunate son...
It caught the attention of the songwriter, John Fogerty, who said Friday that he found it confounding that Trump -- of all people -- would play the song at his events.
“It’s a song I could have written now, and so I find it confusing, I would say, that the president has chosen to use my song for his political rallies when in fact, it seems like he is probably the fortunate son,” Fogerty said in a video posted on Instagram.
Re: Is Trump doing a good job?
Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:23 pm
by vnatale
doodle wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 3:28 pm
Trump deplanes Air Force One in Michigan to CCR's Fortunate Son. What a douche. Daddy's little draft dodging fortunate son...
I've made several comments here regarding how out of sync the lyrics are with rock songs chosen to be played at Trump's rallies. They just don't fit the tenor of the campaign. Whoever is choosing the songs is just totally inept at choosing songs that align with the themes of the campaign.
Vinny
Re: Is Trump doing a good job?
Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:51 pm
by Mark Leavy
vnatale wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:23 pm
doodle wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 3:28 pm
Trump deplanes Air Force One in Michigan to CCR's Fortunate Son. What a douche. Daddy's little draft dodging fortunate son...
I've made several comments here regarding how out of sync the lyrics are with rock songs chosen to be played at Trump's rallies. They just don't fit the tenor of the campaign. Whoever is choosing the songs is just totally inept at choosing songs that align with the themes of the campaign.
Vinny
You aren't the target audience, Vinny. The measure of whether it was a good choice or not is how well it works at his rallies. By that measure, they are outstanding. You and I don't have to understand it. But somebody on his team is really good at this. Measured by results.
Re: Is Trump doing a good job?
Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:25 pm
by vnatale
Mark Leavy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:51 pm
vnatale wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:23 pm
doodle wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 3:28 pm
Trump deplanes Air Force One in Michigan to CCR's Fortunate Son. What a douche. Daddy's little draft dodging fortunate son...
I've made several comments here regarding how out of sync the lyrics are with rock songs chosen to be played at Trump's rallies. They just don't fit the tenor of the campaign. Whoever is choosing the songs is just totally inept at choosing songs that align with the themes of the campaign.
Vinny
You aren't the target audience, Vinny. The measure of whether it was a good choice or not is how well it works at his rallies. By that measure, they are outstanding. You and I don't have to understand it. But somebody on his team is really good at this. Measured by results.
I don't know if I agree. Music has been a major part of my life for nearly 60 years now so I think I pay a lot more attention to all things music - both the music and its lyrics - than does the average person. And, it's possible the person hired to play music at the rallies was someone hired due to political favor and not out of competence. Meaning that I could do a much better job at choosing the music for Trump rallies. There are so many various aspects that lead to the results that I don't buy that the choice of music gets credit for the good results. It's highly likely that better results could be achieved by a better choice of music.
I was a college music dj for two years and I'd be thinking all week of songs from my personal record collection to put together to be a show, rather than just a collection of random songs.
If I WERE the person to choose songs to be played at a political rally I'd be obsessing over my choice of songs every waking moment!
Vinny
Re: Is Trump doing a good job?
Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:37 pm
by Xan
I think you've made Mark's point, Vinny. The guy who knows everything about music and pays attention to lyrics and actually cares about all that is not at all the target audience. It's just meant to create a mood. Nobody is even listening to the words.
Re: Is Trump doing a good job?
Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:51 pm
by vnatale
Xan wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:37 pm
I think you've made Mark's point, Vinny. The guy who knows everything about music and pays attention to lyrics and actually cares about all that is not at all the target audience. It's just meant to create a mood. Nobody is even listening to the words.
For certain I am NOT its target audience.
But can ANYONE explain to me what mood is created each time the Rolling Stones "You Can't Always Get What You Want" is played?
I cannot believe that the audience are oblivious to the lyrics. If they like the song, many of them are themselves singing along to the songs.
I can think of much better songs for Trump people to be singing along with at Trump rallies then many of the (to me) perplexing ones I hear being played.
They are perplexing not because of their appeal or lack of appeal to me but what I perceive to be of most appeal to a Trump rally goer.
If my audience is a bunch of black 20 year old males I'm not going to be playing heavy 70s rock music for them. I'm going to be playing what I think is going to most appeal to them even though I don't like it at all.
Vinny
Re: Is Trump doing a good job?
Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:53 pm
by I Shrugged
When they play I’m A Loser, we’ll know they’ve screwed up.