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Post by dualstow » Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:59 am

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LOL Scientific research backing my claims:
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Do you like Catalina aside from the broken 3rd party apps, or is that like asking Mrs Lincoln how the play was? O0
Heh, I've personally found Catalina to be no practical improvement over its predecessor. I'm sure there are features and improvements, but I honestly couldn't tell you what they were without looking them up.

The big three things I've noticed have all been degradations for my particular setup:

1) Catalina crashes every time I put my computer to sleep with an external monitor attached.
2) It breaks 32-bit apps, in particular my games
3) It's slower than its predecessor. It takes fewer open apps and windows to bog down the system. Catalina appears to be a bigger RAM hog. (And not in the "we're just pre-caching your apps" way, but the bogging down way.)

On the bright side, it appears Microsoft has really stepped up their game. And we all know windows machines are cheaper generally, which is great. Their OS has reliability that appears to be more or less on par with MacOS now, and they're embracing Linux!

I'll probably make a switch for my next machine. These prices are nuts!
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Post by dualstow » Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:42 pm

Well, you’ve given me something to ponder here. I’m no rush to go back to Windows (left after XP, which I liked), but I think I should stick with the very capable High Sierra OS for now. If it isn’t broken, don’t fix it.

Maybe I’ll just back up using iTunes as Mountaineer did and continue to enjoy Veracrypt.

Thanks, guys.
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Re: Signatures

Post by Libertarian666 » Sun Jan 26, 2020 6:15 am

Smith1776 wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 3:16 pm
dualstow wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:54 am

Do you like Catalina aside from the broken 3rd party apps, or is that like asking Mrs Lincoln how the play was? O0
Heh, I've personally found Catalina to be no practical improvement over its predecessor. I'm sure there are features and improvements, but I honestly couldn't tell you what they were without looking them up.

The big three things I've noticed have all been degradations for my particular setup:

1) Catalina crashes every time I put my computer to sleep with an external monitor attached.
2) It breaks 32-bit apps, in particular my games
3) It's slower than its predecessor. It takes fewer open apps and windows to bog down the system. Catalina appears to be a bigger RAM hog. (And not in the "we're just pre-caching your apps" way, but the bogging down way.)

On the bright side, it appears Microsoft has really stepped up their game. And we all know windows machines are cheaper generally, which is great. Their OS has reliability that appears to be more or less on par with MacOS now, and they're embracing Linux!

I'll probably make a switch for my next machine. These prices are nuts!
I doubt I would ever buy a Mac.

As for other OSs, I am developing my ThreeMisses C++ library for both Linux and Windows, because those two OSs have over 90% of the server market. I work primarily in Windows, mostly due to Visual Studio, which is far superior to any IDE on Linux.
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Post by vnatale » Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:06 am

dualstow wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:42 pm
Well, you’ve given me something to ponder here. I’m no rush to go back to Windows (left after XP, which I liked), but I think I should stick with the very capable High Sierra OS for now. If it isn’t broken, don’t fix it.

Maybe I’ll just back up using iTunes as Mountaineer did and continue to enjoy Veracrypt.

Thanks, guys.
I also liked XP, Windows 7 even more, and Windows 10 is the best. I currently use computers that, between them, run all three operating systems.

Vinny
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Post by shekels » Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:38 am

MangoMan wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:30 am
vnatale wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:06 am

I also liked XP, Windows 7 even more, and Windows 10 is the best. I currently use computers that, between them, run all three operating systems.

Vinny
So you're not concerned with alleged security issues of running out of service OS? Anyone else want to share an opinion? I replaced the computers at work with Win10 as they were running slow and near death anyway, but the one at home running Win7 works great and I would hate to replace it until I have to if the 'risk' is not great.
Security Issues is why I stopped using Windows.
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Post by vnatale » Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:31 am

MangoMan wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:30 am
vnatale wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:06 am

I also liked XP, Windows 7 even more, and Windows 10 is the best. I currently use computers that, between them, run all three operating systems.

Vinny
So you're not concerned with alleged security issues of running out of service OS? Anyone else want to share an opinion? I replaced the computers at work with Win10 as they were running slow and near death anyway, but the one at home running Win7 works great and I would hate to replace it until I have to if the 'risk' is not great.
The XP one I rarely connect to the internet and mainly use to make endless backups on various external hard drives.

My office computer is the only Windows 7 computer I currently use. And, support for Windows 7 just ended in the last few weeks? That computer is going to soon be replaced by a Windows 10 computer but I will then replace the Windows XP computer with that Windows 7 computer as a secondary computer.

I find I can get more work done if I offload some of the work to a second computer. There are some things I do - like when dropbox is running, when copying files - that consume tons of computer resources, causing the computer to crawl. Therefore, I work on another computer while those tasks are working.

But to get back to your last question.....I don't have great fears of the risk. Plus, all my files (which are my most important computer related items) are backed up many, many, many times. Therefore, in the worst case, I'd reformat the hard drive, re-install all my programs, and get back to work -- since all my files are elsewhere --- generally in dropbox, on external hard drives, or, for the most important files, in both places.

Finally, you might be able to upgrade your Windows 7 computer to Windows 10 for free under the Windows Insider program. I did that with one or two computers.

Vinny

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Re: Signatures

Post by Libertarian666 » Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:10 am

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Re: Signatures

Post by Libertarian666 » Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:11 am

vnatale wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:06 am
dualstow wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:42 pm
Well, you’ve given me something to ponder here. I’m no rush to go back to Windows (left after XP, which I liked), but I think I should stick with the very capable High Sierra OS for now. If it isn’t broken, don’t fix it.

Maybe I’ll just back up using iTunes as Mountaineer did and continue to enjoy Veracrypt.

Thanks, guys.
I also liked XP, Windows 7 even more, and Windows 10 is the best. I currently use computers that, between them, run all three operating systems.

Vinny
More than one per computer?
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Re: Signatures

Post by Libertarian666 » Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:11 am

MangoMan wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:30 am
vnatale wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:06 am

I also liked XP, Windows 7 even more, and Windows 10 is the best. I currently use computers that, between them, run all three operating systems.

Vinny
So you're not concerned with alleged security issues of running out of service OS? Anyone else want to share an opinion? I replaced the computers at work with Win10 as they were running slow and near death anyway, but the one at home running Win7 works great and I would hate to replace it until I have to if the 'risk' is not great.
I would upgrade. I think the security risk is real.
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Post by vnatale » Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:09 pm

InsuranceGuy wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:55 am
Libertarian666 wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:11 am
I would upgrade. I think the security risk is real.
I agree, plus the upgrade to Win10 is free.
I believe it was free for only the first year of its release. Now the only way I know of getting it for free is to go through the Windows Insider program.

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Post by vnatale » Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:13 pm

Libertarian666 wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:11 am
vnatale wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:06 am
dualstow wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:42 pm
Well, you’ve given me something to ponder here. I’m no rush to go back to Windows (left after XP, which I liked), but I think I should stick with the very capable High Sierra OS for now. If it isn’t broken, don’t fix it.

Maybe I’ll just back up using iTunes as Mountaineer did and continue to enjoy Veracrypt.

Thanks, guys.
I also liked XP, Windows 7 even more, and Windows 10 is the best. I currently use computers that, between them, run all three operating systems.

Vinny
More than one per computer?
No

The way I first wrote it I saw that it could be interpreted that way. Then I went back and added the "between them" to hopefully make it clearer that I had at least one computer running one of the programs but not all three on any.

Back in the old days when Windows was regularly dying the first thing I'd do with a new computer would be to install Windows 95, 98, ME and install all my programs in each operating system so in case one of the operating systems died, I could just continue working by jumping to another operating system.

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Post by Xan » Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:30 pm

Libertarian666 wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:11 am
MangoMan wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:30 am
vnatale wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:06 am

I also liked XP, Windows 7 even more, and Windows 10 is the best. I currently use computers that, between them, run all three operating systems.

Vinny
So you're not concerned with alleged security issues of running out of service OS? Anyone else want to share an opinion? I replaced the computers at work with Win10 as they were running slow and near death anyway, but the one at home running Win7 works great and I would hate to replace it until I have to if the 'risk' is not great.
I would upgrade. I think the security risk is real.
Agreed. But most likely, especially if you never run arbitrary applications written by who-knows-who, you're probably okay unless you're browsing the web. If so, the important thing is really your browser.

If you're using IE, then it's supported if your OS is supported. If your OS goes out of support, then it's possible that other browsers will continue to write for your OS for some time.

Personally, I never run an OS or browser that isn't supported. But then, upgrades are free for Linux.
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Re: Signatures

Post by Libertarian666 » Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:46 pm

vnatale wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:09 pm
InsuranceGuy wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:55 am
Libertarian666 wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:11 am
I would upgrade. I think the security risk is real.
I agree, plus the upgrade to Win10 is free.
I believe it was free for only the first year of its release. Now the only way I know of getting it for free is to go through the Windows Insider program.

Vinny
I think you can still upgrade without cost. See https://www.zdnet.com/article/heres-how ... 0-upgrade/ for information.
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Re: Signatures

Post by Libertarian666 » Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:49 pm

vnatale wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:13 pm
Libertarian666 wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:11 am
vnatale wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:06 am
dualstow wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:42 pm
Well, you’ve given me something to ponder here. I’m no rush to go back to Windows (left after XP, which I liked), but I think I should stick with the very capable High Sierra OS for now. If it isn’t broken, don’t fix it.

Maybe I’ll just back up using iTunes as Mountaineer did and continue to enjoy Veracrypt.

Thanks, guys.
I also liked XP, Windows 7 even more, and Windows 10 is the best. I currently use computers that, between them, run all three operating systems.

Vinny
More than one per computer?
No

The way I first wrote it I saw that it could be interpreted that way. Then I went back and added the "between them" to hopefully make it clearer that I had at least one computer running one of the programs but not all three on any.

Back in the old days when Windows was regularly dying the first thing I'd do with a new computer would be to install Windows 95, 98, ME and install all my programs in each operating system so in case one of the operating systems died, I could just continue working by jumping to another operating system.

Vinny
I should explain that I have multiple OSs on each of my computers.

1. My main computer, which is a mid-tower server running Windows 10, Ubuntu 19.10, and Windows Server 2019.
2. My laptop, which runs Windows 10, Ubuntu 19.10, and Windows Server 2016 (or maybe 2012, I don't recall).
3. My other tower machine, which runs Windows 10 and one of the Windows Servers (I think 2012).

I'm only running one OS at any given time on each machine, although I could set up a VM to run more than one at a time if I needed to do that for some reason.
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Post by dualstow » Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:34 pm

You can run Microsoft's Edge browser on a Mac now. I wonder if anyone does that.
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Post by vnatale » Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:02 pm

Libertarian666 wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:46 pm
vnatale wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:09 pm
InsuranceGuy wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:55 am
Libertarian666 wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:11 am
I would upgrade. I think the security risk is real.
I agree, plus the upgrade to Win10 is free.
I believe it was free for only the first year of its release. Now the only way I know of getting it for free is to go through the Windows Insider program.

Vinny
I think you can still upgrade without cost. See https://www.zdnet.com/article/heres-how ... 0-upgrade/ for information.
I quickly scanned what you put above. Could not tell how time consuming it would be.

This is where I started to get my free upgrade: https://insider.windows.com/en-us/.

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Post by vnatale » Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:04 pm

MangoMan wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:05 pm
Some of the computers running 7 don't have the specs to run 10, so I can't do an upgrade. the only option is to buy new PCs and reinstall all the software and configuration which is a pain.
How old are those computers? What specific CPUs / how much RAM do they have?

They must be quite old if they don't meet these minimums?

Processor: 1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster processor or SoC
RAM: 1 gigabyte (GB) for 32-bit or 2 GB for 64-bit
Hard disk space: 16 GB for 32-bit OS or 20 GB for 64-bit OS

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Post by vnatale » Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:05 pm

dualstow wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:34 pm
You can run Microsoft's Edge browser on a Mac now. I wonder if anyone does that.
Speaking of Edge. It absolutely kills this computer with a fast Intel i7 CPU. Which is why I'll more often use Chrome, which does not cripple my computer. Anyone else have a similar Edge experience? Also, I cannot get to a lot of places with Edge while I can with Chrome.

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Post by vnatale » Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:11 pm

Libertarian666 wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:46 pm
vnatale wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:09 pm
InsuranceGuy wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:55 am
Libertarian666 wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:11 am
I would upgrade. I think the security risk is real.
I agree, plus the upgrade to Win10 is free.
I believe it was free for only the first year of its release. Now the only way I know of getting it for free is to go through the Windows Insider program.

Vinny
I think you can still upgrade without cost. See https://www.zdnet.com/article/heres-how ... 0-upgrade/ for information.
I sent on what you have above to someone who builds computers and from whom I have bought several.

His response: "As long as you have systems with windows 7 keys, they are super easy to install windows 10"

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Post by Xan » Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:48 pm

vnatale wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:05 pm
dualstow wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:34 pm
You can run Microsoft's Edge browser on a Mac now. I wonder if anyone does that.
Speaking of Edge. It absolutely kills this computer with a fast Intel i7 CPU. Which is why I'll more often use Chrome, which does not cripple my computer. Anyone else have a similar Edge experience? Also, I cannot get to a lot of places with Edge while I can with Chrome.

Vinny
The newest version(s?) of Edge are just Chrome in a skin. So it might be worth another try.
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Post by dualstow » Sun Jan 26, 2020 5:12 pm

I was going to try it. Looks like it's for iOS devices only; I don't see it on the Mac app store. Too bad.
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Post by vnatale » Sun Jan 26, 2020 6:22 pm

Xan wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:48 pm
vnatale wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:05 pm
dualstow wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:34 pm
You can run Microsoft's Edge browser on a Mac now. I wonder if anyone does that.
Speaking of Edge. It absolutely kills this computer with a fast Intel i7 CPU. Which is why I'll more often use Chrome, which does not cripple my computer. Anyone else have a similar Edge experience? Also, I cannot get to a lot of places with Edge while I can with Chrome.

Vinny
The newest version(s?) of Edge are just Chrome in a skin. So it might be worth another try.
Another try in which way? Windows 10 mandates updates and I'm assuming every time it does an update it is also updating to the latest version of Edge. I still use Edge regularly but only for certain tasks (like this Forum).

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