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Americans of Iranian descent

Post by ochotona » Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:33 am

The new World War Two era American citizens of Japanese descent.

Illegal detentions at the US border at Blaine, WA.

No customs reasons, no anti-terror watchlist, no immigration reasons (they're citizens).

Nah we're just gonna visit with ya for five hours and ask arbitrary, intrusive questions of our choosing. In a cramped room with 40 other Iranian origin persons and one bathroom.

Just two free pass items missing... Lighter skin, blue eyes?

What is CBP turning into under this President? Gestapo Lite?
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What does CBP stand for?
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Re: Americans of Iranian descent

Post by D1984 » Fri Jan 24, 2020 7:12 am

dualstow wrote:
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What does CBP stand for?
Customs and Border Protection
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Re: Americans of Iranian descent

Post by sophie » Fri Jan 24, 2020 7:33 am

FWIW....

My mother and sister travelled to Israel a few years back, in order to visit our Palestinian relatives living in Bethlehem. Because they were neither Jewish nor coming with a Catholic/Christian tour group, they were held for several hours for questioning at the border. They didn't sweat it because they figured that would happen, and in fact came prepared with several documents e.g. evidence of my sister's job in the U.S.. As far as I know this is still Israel's MO and no one has ever raised a fuss.

Not justifying the new policy at the Seattle border, just pointing out that it's not a new thing nor unique to the U.S. If the Seattle detentions were happening because there was specific intelligence about some sort of terrorist plot then that's one thing, but if it was simply haranguing people of Iranian descent then that is somewhere I'm sad to see us going.
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Re: Americans of Iranian descent

Post by Xan » Fri Jan 24, 2020 8:02 am

That's also several pretty far cries from WWII-era Japanese confinement.
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Re: Americans of Iranian descent

Post by flyingpylon » Fri Jan 24, 2020 8:15 am

Trump is literally Hitler Roosevelt! ::)
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Post by vnatale » Fri Jan 24, 2020 8:43 am

Famed Supreme Court Justice Earl Warren was instrumental in the internment of Japanese-Americans. And, he relatively soon came to regret that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Warren

Internment of Japanese Americans[edit]
After World War II broke out in Europe in 1939, foreign policy became an increasingly important issue in the United States; Warren rejected the isolationist tendencies of many Republicans and supported Roosevelt's rearmament campaign. The United States entered World War II after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in December 1941.[48] Following the attack, Warren organized the state's civilian defense program, warning in January 1942 that, "the Japanese situation as it exists in this state today may well be the Achilles' heel of the entire civilian defense effort." He became a driving force behind the internment of over one hundred thousand Japanese Americans without any charges or due process.[49] Though the decision to intern Japanese Americans was made by General John L. DeWitt, and the internment was carried out by federal officials, Warren's advocacy played a major role in providing public justification for the internment.[50] By early 1944, Warren had come to regret his role in the internment of Japanese Americans, and he approved of the federal government's decision to allow Japanese Americans to begin returning to California in December 1944.[51]

Warren later said he:
since deeply regretted the removal order and my own testimony advocating it, because it was not in keeping with our American concept of freedom and the rights of citizens... Whenever I thought of the innocent little children who were torn from home, school friends, and congenial surroundings, I was conscience-stricken... t was wrong to react so impulsively, without positive evidence of disloyalty.
— The Memoirs of Earl Warren (1977)[52]

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Post by dualstow » Fri Jan 24, 2020 8:55 am

Xan wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 8:02 am
That's also several pretty far cries from WWII-era Japanese confinement.
For what it’s worth, I’ve gotten profiled several times. Each time, it was an east Asian woman (different airports, different women of course) who took me out of line, scribbled on my boarding pass, and said “check” to another agent. Apparently, I look like an Arab when I have whiskers. O0 I genuinely don’t care.
Not that I’m pretending that this is equal to hours of detention and questioning. It isn’t. But, it’s reality. I’d call it erring on the side of safety, but they’re not even erring, in my opinion.

My ex and I were also stopped in Miami by a passport control guy whose tag read R ISLAM. He gave me look that I know well because I get from Pakistani cabbies. Didn’t like my wife’s paperwork, and we were stuck in some office waiting for a fax until the moment our flight boarded. (Shrug). I know it was personal.

Back to the big picture. Should we insert something about how ICE wasn’t very kind under Obama?

I have to agree with the quote above. This is not WWII-era Japanese-American internment camps. And even our camps, while something to be ashamed of, were orders of magnitude kinder than the Japanese were. We should hold ourselves to a higher standard even though we’re already better, but...we’re already better.
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Re: Americans of Iranian descent

Post by ochotona » Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:43 am

Sure, it was FDR, it was Obama, and it's Trump. Is it worse now, or better? I don't know, I don't have a way to measure. But it's intolerable in any case. It's a slippery-slope from arbitrarily and illegally detaining people to worse things.

I have never been arrested or detained by LE. I don't know how I'd feel if I was detained for five hours at the airport. My parents are from China, what if we got into a war with China? Are my rights going to be respected?

I expect three words from the CBP agent at the airport: "WELCOME HOME SIR".

I haven't been disappointed yet. But the Americans of Persian ancestry in the news article I read obviously were.

If you don't stand up for others when they are in trouble, who will stand up for you when you are in trouble?
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Re: Americans of Iranian descent

Post by vnatale » Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:51 am

ochotona wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:43 am
Sure, it was FDR, it was Obama, and it's Trump. Is it worse now, or better? I don't know, I don't have a way to measure. But it's intolerable in any case. It's a slippery-slope from arbitrarily and illegally detaining people to worse things.

I have never been arrested or detained by LE. I don't know how I'd feel if I was detained for five hours at the airport. My parents are from China, what if we got into a war with China? Are my rights going to be respected?

I expect three words from the CBP agent at the airport: "WELCOME HOME SIR".

I haven't been disappointed yet. But the Americans of Persian ancestry in the news article I read obviously were.

If you don't stand up for others when they are in trouble, who will stand up for you when you are in trouble?
The general assumption is that "I will never be in trouble"....until you are.

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Re: Americans of Iranian descent

Post by Tortoise » Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:56 pm

I assume OP is referring to this story from a few weeks ago?

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-release ... 81286.html

It sounds like an isolated incident based on the fact that there was a very big group of Iranian-Americans who attended an Iranian pop concert in Vancouver, and the border agents were probably not aware of it beforehand.

They were given orders from DHS to exercise their best judgment regarding suspicious-looking activity, and this sounds like an exceptional situation that very well may have appeared suspicious to the uninformed border agents.

I don't know if it was necessary to detain any of those people for hours, but bureaucracies are kind of notorious for taking way too long to do fairly simple things. This is not something new.

Shit happens, people. Look for trends, not isolated, exceptional incidents.
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Re: Americans of Iranian descent

Post by dualstow » Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:21 pm

ochotona wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:43 am
Sure, it was FDR, it was Obama, and it's Trump. Is it worse now, or better? I don't know, I don't have a way to measure. But it's intolerable in any case.
Intolerable? What is the alternative? To become a citizen of Iran? Of China?

I think it's something we should definitely try to keep an eye on/ keep in check, but what we cannot change through elections and activism...we have to tolerate in the meantime.
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