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At least they eventually knew there would be no more bombs.
Well, I heard last night that six feet may not be enough distance. The really small droplets that come with breathing have passed to some choir singers who were six feet apart.
I went to a bodega yesterday and although the line was well spaced, there were people crowded all around the front door and the cashier area waiting on sandwich orders. I probably should have just left.
Well, I heard last night that six feet may not be enough distance. The really small droplets that come with breathing have passed to some choir singers who were six feet apart.
I went to a bodega yesterday and although the line was well spaced, there were people crowded all around the front door and the cashier area waiting on sandwich orders. I probably should have just left.
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Just to add to barrett's answer, there's a WSJ piece entitled,Cortopassi wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 10:38 pmI don’t know if I specifically asked this before, but since the entire world deaths have passed 100k I figured I’d ask.
I have these questions, from a very much slanting toward what the hell are we doing?
—world loses 150k people a day normally. If we are conservative and say this has been going on for 60 days, is that adding 1666 deaths a day to that total?
—if adding, that is only a 1% increase. Have we gone overboard?
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Why Doesn’t Flu Tank Economy Like Covid-19?
Comparisons between two diseases--based on infections and deaths--missed range of differences
Following data from tallies, it says "the numbers don't tell the whole story."
For starters, the flu tallies are estimates of total flu burden, while the Covid-19 figures are confirmed cases only. Eventually, the CDC will estimate the total Covid-19 burden, but for now, the numbers are not an apples-to-apples comparison.
There's more, but the gist is that there are other variables behind and in addition to mere death counts.In addition, Covid-19 differs from the flu in how quickly it spreads, the length and severity of the illness, and the unusual demands a contagion with no cure places on medical staff and facilities.
Instead of gentle waves of cases cascading across the country over a span of six months, like the flu, a tidal wave of Covid-19 cases has swept over a handful of cities in half the time.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-doesnt ... 1586511000
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The difference between flu and Corona is in behavior. We "volunteer" for the flu (by not bothering to wash up, not taking the vacccination). We volunteer others by going to work while sick.
Who wants to volunteer for Corona? Mmmmm... not me. You first... please! Be my guest!
If you're pushing or at old age, and you have co-morbidities, really no.
It's going to come down to who can afford to shelter, because they can work remotely or they can afford to essentially retire until a vaccine is out. The govt is going to release people to work, and people will want to to return to work because otherwise they will be destitute. But it's not going to really be as safe as it was. A number of people will sicken and die. It'll be like your seatbelts and airbags magically vanish from your car, and your disk anti-lock brakes just reverted to drums on all four wheels, with air in the brake lines, and your tires are bald, your struts are shot, and there's a little gas leak going on. And no child seats. 1950s style.
Will you make it home OK from work in that kind of car? Most probably yes. Statistically, will there be excess mortality arising from that kind of car is a population of 330,000 people? Absolutely.
I don't see how any adults with school aged children at home will be able to stay well. How do you manage that when you have 500-1000 asymptomatic critters running around touching each other all day long?
Who wants to volunteer for Corona? Mmmmm... not me. You first... please! Be my guest!
If you're pushing or at old age, and you have co-morbidities, really no.
It's going to come down to who can afford to shelter, because they can work remotely or they can afford to essentially retire until a vaccine is out. The govt is going to release people to work, and people will want to to return to work because otherwise they will be destitute. But it's not going to really be as safe as it was. A number of people will sicken and die. It'll be like your seatbelts and airbags magically vanish from your car, and your disk anti-lock brakes just reverted to drums on all four wheels, with air in the brake lines, and your tires are bald, your struts are shot, and there's a little gas leak going on. And no child seats. 1950s style.
Will you make it home OK from work in that kind of car? Most probably yes. Statistically, will there be excess mortality arising from that kind of car is a population of 330,000 people? Absolutely.
I don't see how any adults with school aged children at home will be able to stay well. How do you manage that when you have 500-1000 asymptomatic critters running around touching each other all day long?
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Except that most parents with school aged kids are actually young enough to not be high risk themselves... at least in terms of age. It's grandma and grandpa that are more at risk. One would hope that after a longer period back at school, students and teachers would already have this virus behind them (either through exposure or just not being susceptible for some reason). How long that will be is another question.
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The number that makes it more real is barrett noting it is killing about 25% more people per day in the US right now.
And the comment on a tidal wave vs. gentle waves.
Dammit.
And the comment on a tidal wave vs. gentle waves.
Dammit.
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Coronavirus shutdowns pose grave economic risk, raising difficult questions
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“Breaking news: Doctors and economists discover that when people are trapped at home, very little shit gets done.”vnatale wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 12:03 pmCoronavirus shutdowns pose grave economic risk, raising difficult questions
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One mile or so from my house. I have NO interest in participating!!!!
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During this have any of you purchased food online?
For the first time, tonight, I went to Amazon, Walmart, Chewy Pets to search on some of the items I always buy.
A lot of out stock. Some things cost similar or even less than what I normally buy on sale at Stop & Shop. Some things twice to four times as expensive!
My next steps are to take an inventory of all the food I have for me and the cats. Nextresearch availability and prices and then, finally, place some HUGE orders!
This Tuesday will be the four week anniversary of when I last bought outside food into my house. Tonight's meal was totally delicious. Usually I have two bowls of it a night but I had to eat three due to its taste. The two ingredients in it that I will soon run out of are cauliflower and brussels sprouts.
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For the first time, tonight, I went to Amazon, Walmart, Chewy Pets to search on some of the items I always buy.
A lot of out stock. Some things cost similar or even less than what I normally buy on sale at Stop & Shop. Some things twice to four times as expensive!
My next steps are to take an inventory of all the food I have for me and the cats. Nextresearch availability and prices and then, finally, place some HUGE orders!
This Tuesday will be the four week anniversary of when I last bought outside food into my house. Tonight's meal was totally delicious. Usually I have two bowls of it a night but I had to eat three due to its taste. The two ingredients in it that I will soon run out of are cauliflower and brussels sprouts.
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I hope we all like eating at McDonalds and buying from Amazon. Because it feels like that is all that is going to be left when the dust settles.Tortoise wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:02 pm“Breaking news: Doctors and economists discover that when people are trapped at home, very little shit gets done.”vnatale wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 12:03 pmCoronavirus shutdowns pose grave economic risk, raising difficult questions
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I tried to buy some bulk stuff (barley and oats), but those, and everything else, were/are sold out.
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This is strictly a result of everyone "stocking up"? All this sold out food is certainly not getting consumed currently? Plus, the restaurants are not buying food, though they tend to buy from different sources, like Sysco.Kriegsspiel wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 7:36 pmI tried to buy some bulk stuff (barley and oats), but those, and everything else, were/are sold out.
The six months before any of this started I was beginning to question myself as I just kept buying huge amounts of canned tomatoes and jars of peanut butter "on sale". Essentially buying all that was available on the shelves each time I saw them on sale. As I was bringing them down to my basement and seeing the bags and bags of them that I already had of them I was starting to think that, maybe, this was getting excessive even for me. But, in retrospect, it's bought me a lot of time on those two items and other items (like beans).
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Thanks for posting that, Smithers. Dalio talks a little bit about asset diversification on that video from about 25:00 to 28:30.Smith1776 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 9:16 amHey guys, check out Ray Dalio's latest virtual interview. It's a pretty meaty conversation. The gist of it? "We're headed into a Great Depression" he says.
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Yeah, just as a lot of TP demand suddenly shifted from commercial to consumer, I think a lot of food demand also shifted from commercial to consumer. Fewer people eating at schools, workplaces, and restaurants, and more people eating at home. The supply chains weren’t set up to immediately accommodate that kind of massive shift in demand.vnatale wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 7:52 pmThis is strictly a result of everyone "stocking up"? All this sold out food is certainly not getting consumed currently? Plus, the restaurants are not buying food, though they tend to buy from different sources, like Sysco.Kriegsspiel wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 7:36 pmI tried to buy some bulk stuff (barley and oats), but those, and everything else, were/are sold out.
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Saw an interesting article somewhere about dairies that are equipped to only supply milk in 8oz containers (for schools) and shredded cheese in 20lb bags (for restaurants). People's houses need much bigger milks and much smaller cheeses!Tortoise wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 9:26 pmYeah, just as a lot of TP demand suddenly shifted from commercial to consumer, I think a lot of food demand also shifted from commercial to consumer. Fewer people eating at schools, workplaces, and restaurants, and more people eating at home. The supply chains weren’t set up to immediately accommodate that kind of massive shift in demand.vnatale wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 7:52 pmThis is strictly a result of everyone "stocking up"? All this sold out food is certainly not getting consumed currently? Plus, the restaurants are not buying food, though they tend to buy from different sources, like Sysco.Kriegsspiel wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 7:36 pmI tried to buy some bulk stuff (barley and oats), but those, and everything else, were/are sold out.
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South Korea reports recovered coronavirus patients testing positive again
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Huh.vnatale wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:46 pmSouth Korea reports recovered coronavirus patients testing positive again
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... PONeUMzlks
So much for building herd immunity.
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IF true, NOT good news!Smith1776 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:53 pmHuh.vnatale wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:46 pmSouth Korea reports recovered coronavirus patients testing positive again
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... PONeUMzlks
So much for building herd immunity.
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Too Big to Fail, COVID-19 Edition: How Private Equity Is Winning the Coronavirus Crisis
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I was able to order online from a vendor at my farmers market that never used to have online ordering. So great to be able to go and pick up a one-time custom order (as opposed to a huge CSA share). Not cheap, though.
Regarding your note above, Xan:
There’s a NYT article, Food Waste of the Pandemic, which is too depressing to even quote, for the most part. Lots of buried onions (“People don’t make onion rings at home”) and purposely spilled milk.
Regarding your note above, Xan:
EDIT: Here’s the link if anyone feels like crying: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/11/busi ... -food.htmlAt many dairy processors, for example, the machinery is designed to package shredded cheese in large bags for restaurants or place milk in small cartons for schools, rather than arrange the products in retail-friendly containers.
To repurpose those plants to put cheese in the 8 oz. bags that sell in grocery stores or bottle milk in gallon jugs would require millions of dollars in investment. For now, some processors have concluded that spending the money isn’t worth it.
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Amid Coronavirus Pandemic, China Bans Domestic Trade of Wild Animals, but Offers Tax Breaks for Exports
China disapproves of ‘recklessly eating wild animals’ as its Finance Ministry offers incentives to ship them abroad
Oh, CCP. I'll take Biden any day of the week. No more complaining from me
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China disapproves of ‘recklessly eating wild animals’ as its Finance Ministry offers incentives to ship them abroad
Oh, CCP. I'll take Biden any day of the week. No more complaining from me
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And it gets worse. After this pandemic is over, who in their right mind would be willing to take the risk of opening or investing in a “non-essential” business if that business can be suddenly strangled to death at the government’s whim when the next big pandemic comes along?I Shrugged wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 7:36 pmI hope we all like eating at McDonalds and buying from Amazon. Because it feels like that is all that is going to be left when the dust settles.
This months-long lockdown overreaction may damage business investment for many, many years, making the economic recovery much slower and more painful than it would have been had the lockdown been very brief.
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Covid death rates per one Million population. as of April 8, 2020
39.3923648256 Deaths Per One Million People in U.S.
United States Confirmed deaths (absolute) 12,888
Population (in millions) 327.17
Deaths per million 39.39
https://www.statista.com/statistics/110 ... habitants/
39.3923648256 Deaths Per One Million People in U.S.
United States Confirmed deaths (absolute) 12,888
Population (in millions) 327.17
Deaths per million 39.39
https://www.statista.com/statistics/110 ... habitants/
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United States has 4% of the world's population. It has 32% of the world's cases or deaths (not sure which).shekels wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:40 pmCovid death rates per one Million population. as of April 8, 2020
39.3923648256 Deaths Per One Million People in U.S.
United States Confirmed deaths (absolute) 12,888
Population (in millions) 327.17
Deaths per million 39.39
https://www.statista.com/statistics/110 ... habitants/
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