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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Tortoise » Wed Sep 02, 2020 7:10 pm

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Evidence we are living in The Twilight Zone. :o

Russia calling Australia a Nazi State.

https://www.rt.com/news/499668-australi ... -lockdown/
Australia began as a penal colony, and apparently they've decided to return to their roots.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by dualstow » Wed Sep 02, 2020 7:23 pm

Maddy wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:28 am
dualstow wrote:
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Bill Gates has done more for humanity than most. Eradicating diseases and building toilets in India. God bless him.
IMHO, Bill Gates is just another economic hitman. His philanthropy comes with strings attached. Or maybe I should say "chains attached."

Here he is, declaring that "You don't have a choice." Normalcy will return, he says, only after the entire worldwide population is vaccinated. https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/inte ... for-power/ Those aren't the words of a humanitarian, but of a megalomaniac who, like many high-functioning autistics, views other people are mere props in his play.

I'm always fascinated by his overtly autistic traits. Watch the wildly uncoordinated, almost spastic, body movements that occur while he speaks. He has no idea where his body parts are in space. He is unable to control his emotions or to even modulate his voice.

The scary thing about all this is that while isolated parts of his brain are on overdrive, he appears to be lacking in the normal wiring that makes us essentially "human." Which is why, I imagine, he lives in a world of algorithms, seemingly unable to assimilate information that entails the unpredictability of emotional intelligence, value judgments, or the incorporation of paradigms other than his own. And which is why, I imagine, he embraces a new world order where people interface with the world and with other people through "devices," and where ultimately people are fully merged with computers. In fact, but for the computer revolution, which finally gave only marginally functional people like Bill Gates an opportunity to succeed at something, he would probably be in a state hospital.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Kriegsspiel » Wed Sep 02, 2020 7:59 pm

Frankly, it's completely bonkers that Australia is in such a tizzy about the 'rona with all the deadly nightmares it's already stocked up on.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Hal » Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:12 pm

Kriegsspiel wrote:
Wed Sep 02, 2020 7:59 pm
Frankly, it's completely bonkers that Australia is in such a tizzy about the 'rona with all the deadly nightmares it's already stocked up on.
"+1" Lucky Australia is an island so these critters don't visit you
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Edit: From Economics site https://www.facebook.com/adamseconomics ... 6869188974
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by boglerdude » Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:27 am

https://www.reddit.com/r/AustralianPoli ... my_facing/

Australia's 1st recession in 30 years. what about Dalios "cycles." The real world changes and backtesting doesnt predict the future.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Hal » Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:54 am

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https://www.reddit.com/r/AustralianPoli ... my_facing/

Australia's 1st recession in 30 years. what about Dalios "cycles." The real world changes and backtesting doesnt predict the future.
Check out the chart
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/austr ... rop-record
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by WiseOne » Thu Sep 03, 2020 8:22 am

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Massachusetts' government has put barriers in place for learning pods to make sure they don't compete too much with the teachers' unions:
Learning pods, or groups convened by up to five families, will be able to operate without licenses, as long as a parent is on-site at all times. Payments are not allowed, and exchanges of funds are limited to compensation for food and materials.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/08/28/ ... e-schools/
Good luck enforcing that. All the parents have to do is claim the tutors are babysitters. Making child care and homeschooling illegal would be a pretty tough bar for the state to cross.

The backlash will be fun to watch. And yes, I expect this is all about teacher's unions and protecting public schools. I foresee these pod schools becoming quite popular to the point where a lot of people will opt out of the public schools, once they see how much better the pod schools are than the state-run, teach to the lowest common denominator public schools. I sure as heck would have preferred it to public schools when I was growing up.
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Vitamin D therapy : Randomized Study

Post by Mark Leavy » Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:56 am

Finally Confirmed! Vitamin D Nearly Abolishes ICU Risk in COVID-19

Chris Masterjohn, Phd (And no slouch) discusses the details of this Spanish study.
The results are astounding: vitamin D nearly abolished the odds of requiring treatment in ICU. Although the number of deaths was too small to say for sure, vitamin D may actually abolish the risk of death from COVID-19.
This is equivalent to 106,400 IU vitamin D on day 1, 53,200 IU on days 3 and 7, and 53,200 IU weekly thereafter. If this were given as daily doses, it would be the equivalent of 30,400 per day for the first week, followed by a maintenance dose of 7,600 IU per day.
Probably out of the range for home experimentation, but pretty interesting.
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Re: Vitamin D therapy : Randomized Study

Post by pp4me » Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:16 am

Mark Leavy wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:56 am
Finally Confirmed! Vitamin D Nearly Abolishes ICU Risk in COVID-19

Chris Masterjohn, Phd (And no slouch) discusses the details of this Spanish study.
The results are astounding: vitamin D nearly abolished the odds of requiring treatment in ICU. Although the number of deaths was too small to say for sure, vitamin D may actually abolish the risk of death from COVID-19.
This is equivalent to 106,400 IU vitamin D on day 1, 53,200 IU on days 3 and 7, and 53,200 IU weekly thereafter. If this were given as daily doses, it would be the equivalent of 30,400 per day for the first week, followed by a maintenance dose of 7,600 IU per day.
Probably out of the range for home experimentation, but pretty interesting.
I heard someone say the other day that 98% of people who have died from COVID had low levels of Vitamin D.

Occurred to me that this would be a more likely reason for dark skinned people being disproportionally affected than blaming it on institutional racism/white supremacy as Ms. Harris did in her acceptance speech.

I spend lots of time in the Florida sun, maybe too much at times, but I have been taking a Vitamin D supplement for a long time.
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Re: Vitamin D therapy : Randomized Study

Post by Tortoise » Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:52 pm

pp4me wrote:
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I heard someone say the other day that 98% of people who have died from COVID had low levels of Vitamin D.
The majority of them also had one or more comorbidities like obesity, diabetes, and heart disease. And unfortunately, such comorbidities aren't cured simply by popping vitamin D pills.

It would be interesting to know more details about the patient group in the Spanish study: Age, ethnicity, comorbidities, etc.
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Re: Vitamin D therapy : Randomized Study

Post by pp4me » Thu Sep 03, 2020 1:05 pm

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The majority of them also had one or more comorbidities like obesity, diabetes, and heart disease. And unfortunately, such comorbidities aren't cured simply by popping vitamin D pills.
I'm pretty sure you're right that popping vitamin D pills won't cure those conditions but I believe I have read that insufficient levels of vitamin D has been "linked" to all of them, especially obesity.

Whether "linked" means there is actual evidence or not I'll leave to people like WiseOne who actually have to figure this stuff out.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Maddy » Fri Sep 04, 2020 7:44 am

From a scientific point of view, PCR tests are meaningless:
https://bpa-pathology.com/covid19-pcr-t ... aningless/
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Libertarian666 » Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:12 am

Maddy wrote:
Fri Sep 04, 2020 7:44 am
From a scientific point of view, PCR tests are meaningless:
https://bpa-pathology.com/covid19-pcr-t ... aningless/
Yes, but from a political point of view, they're great for scaring people.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by vnatale » Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:15 am

There is a doctor on C-Span Washington Journal right now. Dr. Howard Bauchner. Editor in Chief of a Journal (title left too soon for me to type it).

He stated that "excess deaths" in this country is now about 250,000. Expects it to be about 500,000 this year.

Normally, about 1,000,000 people die each year in this country. Therefore, he's saying it looks like it will be 1,500,000 this year.

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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by vnatale » Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:43 am

Opinion: The ‘excess deaths’ tally in the U.S. is 204,691 in 7 months — so COVID-19 deaths might be undercounted


https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-e ... 2020-08-13
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Mountaineer » Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:26 am

Very interesting. One week analysis of 2.5 billion genetic combinations by a supercomputer. The "like breathing through Jell-O" comment was disconcerting! :o

What do you think WiseOne?

An interesting hypothesis for how SARS-CoV-2 works in the body:

https://elemental.medium.com/a-supercom ... cb8eba9d63

Below is a link to a Vitamin D study which suggests that you ought to consider getting out in the sun &/or supplement, and that there may be a cheap & effective way to stave off ICU stays for those who come down with COVID. For those who may be infected in the future, we can hope for solid follow-up studies confirming these results.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... via%3Dihub
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Tortoise » Fri Sep 04, 2020 1:53 pm

Governor Cuomo says he wants a task force of 4,000 NYPD cops to enforce reopening guidelines before he'll allow indoor dining in NYC.

It's good to see that Cuomo has his NYC law enforcement priorities straight. ::)
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by vnatale » Fri Sep 04, 2020 10:42 pm

Reducing transmission of SARS-CoV-2


https://science.sciencemag.org/content/ ... um=Twitter
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

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vnatale wrote:
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Reducing transmission of SARS-CoV-2


https://science.sciencemag.org/content/ ... um=Twitter
Victorian method (no science needed) ;D :o
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Tortoise » Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:59 am

What’s the story behind the photo from Victoria?
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Hal » Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:01 am

Tortoise wrote:
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What’s the story behind the photo from Victoria?
They had a protest today about the lockdown/curfew for Corona Virus in Melbourne today, which the government deemed illegal.....
Slight Police over-reaction :)

https://www.rt.com/news/499920-melbourn ... s-clashes/

But BLM protests OK earlier... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zun9g9CkP34

Edit: Get better reporting from overseas sources than MSM: https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/inte ... ant-woman/

Doesn't pay to be Non-MSM reporter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jso8elx ... e=youtu.be
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Post by Hal » Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:57 am

Twilight Zone: Where is everybody. https://vimeo.com/321110092

Victoria: Where is everybody. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLPxv09HrTk

Thought this was clever ;D https://www.facebook.com/CaldronPool/ph ... =3&theater
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by WiseOne » Mon Sep 07, 2020 8:24 pm

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There is a doctor on C-Span Washington Journal right now. Dr. Howard Bauchner. Editor in Chief of a Journal (title left too soon for me to type it).

He stated that "excess deaths" in this country is now about 250,000. Expects it to be about 500,000 this year.

Normally, about 1,000,000 people die each year in this country. Therefore, he's saying it looks like it will be 1,500,000 this year.

Vinny
Something you have to be careful of when counting "excess deaths". The number of deaths each year is variable, depending on the severity of the flu season when a number of respiratory illnesses go around (not just the flu). If they are comparing excess deaths to 2019, the number is exaggerated - because 2019 deaths were actually lower than the average for the past 20 years. (I made that point in my prior post about excess deaths.) They should compare to an average of at least the previous five years, and preferably the last 20-25 years. It is also instructive to see if the 2020 excess deaths exceed those in prior years. Turns out it's not all that remarkable - I read somewhere that in the last 25 years, 5 of the years had a higher # of excess deaths than was the case in 2020. What was mainly remarkable was that the excess deaths were compressed into a 6-8 week period at any given location. That's why the hospital situation in some areas became so dire.

I tend to think that COVID deaths have been both over- and under-counted, and that on balance they've been overcounted. Remember that the excess death total includes people who died of things like heart attacks that went untreated because they were afraid to go to the ER, or cancer that went untreated because chemo, radiation, and tumor resections, as elective procedures, were cancelled. Also you have to consider murder and suicides, both of which have increased.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by vnatale » Mon Sep 07, 2020 8:51 pm

WiseOne wrote:
Mon Sep 07, 2020 8:24 pm
vnatale wrote:
Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:15 am
There is a doctor on C-Span Washington Journal right now. Dr. Howard Bauchner. Editor in Chief of a Journal (title left too soon for me to type it).

He stated that "excess deaths" in this country is now about 250,000. Expects it to be about 500,000 this year.

Normally, about 1,000,000 people die each year in this country. Therefore, he's saying it looks like it will be 1,500,000 this year.

Vinny
Something you have to be careful of when counting "excess deaths". The number of deaths each year is variable, depending on the severity of the flu season when a number of respiratory illnesses go around (not just the flu). If they are comparing excess deaths to 2019, the number is exaggerated - because 2019 deaths were actually lower than the average for the past 20 years. (I made that point in my prior post about excess deaths.) They should compare to an average of at least the previous five years, and preferably the last 20-25 years. It is also instructive to see if the 2020 excess deaths exceed those in prior years. Turns out it's not all that remarkable - I read somewhere that in the last 25 years, 5 of the years had a higher # of excess deaths than was the case in 2020. What was mainly remarkable was that the excess deaths were compressed into a 6-8 week period at any given location. That's why the hospital situation in some areas became so dire.

I tend to think that COVID deaths have been both over- and under-counted, and that on balance they've been overcounted. Remember that the excess death total includes people who died of things like heart attacks that went untreated because they were afraid to go to the ER, or cancer that went untreated because chemo, radiation, and tumor resections, as elective procedures, were cancelled. Also you have to consider murder and suicides, both of which have increased.
Follow what you say.

Found this at CDC: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covi ... deaths.htm

But could not find any comparison to prior years.

However, here: https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/U ... death-rate stats that both 2019 and 2018 were each between 1% to 2% increases over the prior year. It also had this proviso: "NOTE: All 2020 and later data are UN projections and DO NOT include any impacts of the COVID-19 virus."

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