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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by jalanlong » Mon Jul 18, 2022 12:22 pm

vnatale wrote:
Mon Jul 18, 2022 12:11 pm
Again reporting from "ultra-liberal" Western Massachusetts where the vaunted liberal authoritarianism does NOT seem to reign.

Yesterday I was at a music event. I was there from about 2 PM to 11:30 PM.

There were two stages inside and one stage outside.

There were a lot of people there. When I was leaving there were still cars parked on the grass and on the street.

I saw almost no one wearing a mask.
I want to say that to the McDonalds employee who put up that sign. Do you know that the world at large is going to concerts and sporting events crammed in with tens of thousands of other people? But yet only 2 are allowed in your restrooms to stop the spread??
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by jalanlong » Mon Jul 18, 2022 12:27 pm

Xan wrote:
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Surely that also means that the infection- and case-fatality rates will approach zero.
I am not sure that matters. Deaths are rarely quoted any more. The decisions now seem to all be based on the percentage of increase. The cases and hospitalizations here now are much lower than they were last year. But the “code red” label seems to come from the fact that the % has increased over the last few weeks/month.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Smith1776 » Mon Jul 18, 2022 12:33 pm

Interesting to hear about these pockets of divergence emerging from different parts of the world. In some areas (like mine) life has essentially returned to pre-COVID norms. In other areas it appears that people are still on high-alert.

This is a far cry from the beginning of the pandemic where it was crisis in unison everywhere.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by jalanlong » Mon Jul 18, 2022 12:39 pm

MangoMan wrote:
Mon Jul 18, 2022 12:29 pm
Dr. Brix admits in her book that she lied.

Guess what? She's not the only liar. What is truly amazing is that they are continuing this (see LA County) and there isn't massive pushback. Why? Because there are so many people still brainwashed by the original lies, they just can't get past their false fears. You will continue to see masks until the CDC, POTUS, WHO, ABCDEFG, etc tell these idiots that it's okay to go on with l\their lives sans masks. And that's not gonna happen for a loooong time, bc politics.
Completely agree. Like the couple I saw wiping down everything like this is March of 2020. Most people would seem to know by now that Covid is a airborne virus and that everyone sanitizing their Amazon packages isn’t useful. But the CDC has not said that officially. And until they do, the satanizing will continue.

The fact that i can walk around my local shops and tell from the shoppers what the CDC says to do is a scary scenario to me.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by jalanlong » Mon Jul 18, 2022 1:32 pm

Desert wrote:
Mon Jul 18, 2022 1:26 pm
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BA5 is kicking ass and taking names.

Whether the response is warranted is another question.

I know I'm totally outvoted on this forum so I'll just zip my mouth.
Several friends have tested positive recently, I assume it's BA5. It seems to be relatively mild, at least in these younger folks. But yeah, it's spreading fast.

I don't understand some of the posts here. I thought most of the completely crazy folks who were posting in this thread have moved on to more conspiratorial pastures. Do we still have people here that don't believe in Covid?
Can you tell me the specific passage from anyone here that stated they did not "believe in Covid"?
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Smith1776 » Mon Jul 18, 2022 1:40 pm

I have a kind of meta disbelief.

I find it hard to believe that there are still people that don't believe COVID has been a real thing.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by joypog » Mon Jul 18, 2022 1:42 pm

If we agree that COVID is airborne, why the vitriol against masks?

What's the downside to wearing one to avoid the chance of getting long COVID?
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Smith1776 » Mon Jul 18, 2022 1:45 pm

My girlfriend has long COVID. It is indeed scary.

There was a story in the news recently about a woman in Canada with long COVID so severe that she is applying for medically assisted death.

She has been unable to work for 2 years due to the symptoms and is wanting to commit suicide due to the financial strain.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by jalanlong » Mon Jul 18, 2022 1:49 pm

MangoMan wrote:
Mon Jul 18, 2022 1:35 pm
Desert wrote:
Mon Jul 18, 2022 1:26 pm
joypog wrote:
Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:30 am
BA5 is kicking ass and taking names.

Whether the response is warranted is another question.

I know I'm totally outvoted on this forum so I'll just zip my mouth.
Several friends have tested positive recently, I assume it's BA5. It seems to be relatively mild, at least in these younger folks. But yeah, it's spreading fast.

I don't understand some of the posts here. I thought most of the completely crazy folks who were posting in this thread have moved on to more conspiratorial pastures. Do we still have people here that don't believe in Covid?
Covid is real; I had it a few weeks ago. It's a standard cold for most people now. Nothing that should prevent you from eating indoors at a bar or restaurant or anything else for that matter. Unless you are immunocompromised. That's what the narrative should have been from day 1.
This idea that a huge amount of people who are against the overreaction to Covid think that "Covid is fake" is ridiculous and seems to be designed to silence those people by making them appear to be flat-earthers. It is entirely possible to believe Covid is real but also believe that the government, media and citizens' reaction to it has been beyond Orwellian.

And I do not think it is so controversial to state that there are a lot of people who for various reasons would like Covid to go on for as long as possible. WarnerMedia CEO Jason Kilar said himself at a conference that the Pandemic is good for ratings. I have local mayors around my town who nobody knew their names before Covid. Now they are front and center, giving daily updates to the press and making policy decisions local businesses hang on. I think it is safe to say that they feel a level of importance they have probably not felt before in their position. It is not a stretch to say that some of those people would love to keep it going a little while longer.

None of those beliefs in any way suggest that Covid is not a real virus.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by barrett » Mon Jul 18, 2022 1:54 pm

vnatale wrote:
Mon Jul 18, 2022 12:11 pm
Again reporting from "ultra-liberal" Western Massachusetts where the vaunted liberal authoritarianism does NOT seem to reign.

Yesterday I was at a music event. I was there from about 2 PM to 11:30 PM.

There were two stages inside and one stage outside.

There were a lot of people there. When I was leaving there were still cars parked on the grass and on the street.

I saw almost no one wearing a mask.
Wife and I were just at two events in your neck of the woods on 7/16 where masks were required to attend performances indoors. One was in Amherst and the other in Sunderland. Ditto for Leverett, MA on 6/25. The venues were the local libraries. We haven't seen this anywhere else in the Northeast for several months.

Here in CT I can't imagine there is much appetite for another round of masking. Our Democrat governor is surely not going to mandate anything ahead of the November election. And the CDC has so little credibility that I doubt many people are in the mood to listen to any directives coming from there. Of course I could be wrong.

Wife and I (both thrice vaxxed) got Omicron in early May and just had cold-like symptoms for a few days. We take no precautions and haven't for a long time. Daughter in Brooklyn has had Covid (probably two different Omicron sub-lineages) twice in three weeks. Again, cold-like symptoms.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by jalanlong » Mon Jul 18, 2022 1:58 pm

joypog wrote:
Mon Jul 18, 2022 1:42 pm
If we agree that COVID is airborne, why the vitriol against masks?

What's the downside to wearing one to avoid the chance of getting long COVID?
There is not vitriol over someone else wearing a mask..just one over making me or my special needs son wear one in school all day long including outside in 105 degree heat.

There are all sorts of downsides to wearing a mask that can outweigh the very, very small possibility of contracting Long Covid. For my son specifically, he is in his formative years and we are now going on 3 years at school where he cannot see people's facial expressions or mouths. I would put the damage of that far beyond his infinitesimal chance of contracting Covid so serious that it has long-term damage. But again, that should be a personal decision that each person makes for his or her specific situation. But that is not at all how Covid has played out.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by flyingpylon » Mon Jul 18, 2022 2:03 pm

Regarding performances... it's often the performers that insist on specific policies, not the venues. The venues just have to enforce them, so they can vary from event to event.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by barrett » Mon Jul 18, 2022 2:06 pm

jalanlong wrote:
Mon Jul 18, 2022 12:39 pm
And until they do, the satanizing will continue.
I know that was a typo but I think I am going to start calling it "satanizing" from now on. O0

Joking aside, jalanlong, I feel for you and your son. Our 24-year-old daughter who doesn't have any known learning "challenges" told us recently that she is having to make a conscious effort to learn how to socialize normally again.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by whatchamacallit » Mon Jul 18, 2022 2:51 pm

jalanlong wrote:
Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:29 am

Then this morning I saw this at McDonalds:

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Are we really going to do this all over again??
Wrong thread. This a monkeypox sign.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by vnatale » Mon Jul 18, 2022 3:15 pm

MangoMan wrote:
Mon Jul 18, 2022 12:29 pm

Dr. Brix admits in her book that she lied.

Guess what? She's not the only liar. What is truly amazing is that they are continuing this (see LA County) and there isn't massive pushback. Why? Because there are so many people still brainwashed by the original lies, they just can't get past their false fears. You will continue to see masks until the CDC, POTUS, WHO, ABCDEFG, etc tell these idiots that it's okay to go on with their lives sans masks. And that's not gonna happen for a loooong time, bc politics.


She writes that "the failure here does not belong to any one institution or person. It's bigger than that, broader than that. It defies easy explanation or reflexive answers. It's easy to lay the blame at the feet of the Trump administration… but it's crucial to understand that the CDC had been fully funded for global health security since 2009." In Birx's view, while Trump does take much of the blame, this was a failure of the CDC and the Department of Health and Human Services.


Birx urges solutions to the problem of data collection, saying that "there remains a lack of emphasis on active testing, and there is still no sense of urgency to find the silent community invasion that occurs days to weeks before symptoms." Birx and her cohort relied on data from other countries "where the data was available." And it wasn't just with data on spread, but "the same was true for vaccines and the durability of vaccine protection" we had to rely on the well-collected data from other countries to make decisions in this country." Birx laments that this was so.

In light of this failure of data from all angles, Birx and her team used terms that they believed would be palatable to the economic team, noting that "we decided to take these [economic-based concerns] directly, highlighting 'preemptive' and 'low-cost' interventions." These included hand sanitizer, but not masks, which Birx would later come to regret. As recently as June 2022, Birx wore a face mask when testifying before the US House.

Birx laments, looking back, that they were not more stern in their approach to guidance, saying that it is concerning that people would not "prioritize the health of others over their own personal liberty." Birx notes that "early data from Europe showed widespread compliance."
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Smith1776 » Mon Jul 18, 2022 3:22 pm

whatchamacallit wrote:
Mon Jul 18, 2022 2:51 pm
jalanlong wrote:
Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:29 am

Then this morning I saw this at McDonalds:

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Are we really going to do this all over again??
Wrong thread. This a monkeypox sign.
Sir, this is a Wendy’s.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by joypog » Mon Jul 18, 2022 4:45 pm

whatchamacallit wrote:
Mon Jul 18, 2022 2:51 pm
jalanlong wrote:
Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:29 am

Then this morning I saw this at McDonalds:

FEC384AC-D398-4AA6-BCCA-F48AEDF07130.jpg



Are we really going to do this all over again??
Wrong thread. This a monkeypox sign.
Makes sense....aside from the fact this means we've got people using Micky D restrooms for....yikes. I get the urge, but what a venue!
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by joypog » Mon Jul 18, 2022 5:51 pm

MangoMan wrote:
Mon Jul 18, 2022 5:27 pm
joypog wrote:
Mon Jul 18, 2022 4:45 pm
whatchamacallit wrote:
Mon Jul 18, 2022 2:51 pm
jalanlong wrote:
Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:29 am

Then this morning I saw this at McDonalds:

FEC384AC-D398-4AA6-BCCA-F48AEDF07130.jpg



Are we really going to do this all over again??
Wrong thread. This a monkeypox sign.
Makes sense....aside from the fact this means we've got people using Micky D restrooms for....yikes. I get the urge, but what a venue!
Actually, McD and Starbucks both are moving to drive thru only and eliminating eat-in restaurants. This is the result of abuse of their generosity.
Bummer...some of my best late night college bullshit* sessions were at the McDonalds on Shattuck.

*err "bullshit" as in talking about (and solving) life the universe and everything.
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Post by boglerdude » Tue Jul 19, 2022 12:23 am

LA health director wants another mandate, but the main hospital is not overloaded (and never was)
https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/1548335911233998848
jalanlong wrote:
Mon Jul 18, 2022 1:58 pm
There is not vitriol over someone else wearing a mask..just one over making me or my special needs son wear one in school all day long including outside in 105 degree heat.
Without the shibboleth of masks you cant maintain the EMERGENCY narrative. And most people go back to feeling bad because they don't go to the gym, start a business, go to "awkward" social events. Rather than admit this and suffer the pain of cognitive dissonance, they support the policies that drive out the ambitious. Politicians gladly oblige with a purge of the disobedient. How socialism/collectivism destroys a state, equal misery at government gunpoint.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Hal » Tue Jul 19, 2022 12:48 am

While on the topic of Corona Virus...

https://caldronpool.com/victoria-police ... e-arrests/
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^ For context thats Australian Rebel News https://www.youtube.com/c/RebelMediaTV/videos
I dunno who funds them. Putin/Xi, Soros, Avi's ego? “Show me the incentives and I will show you the outcome.”
Haven't watched any of their videos, but have liked/upvoted hundreds...because culture war.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by I Shrugged » Tue Jul 19, 2022 10:49 am

Hal wrote:
Tue Jul 19, 2022 12:48 am
While on the topic of Corona Virus...

https://caldronpool.com/victoria-police ... e-arrests/
Commenting on the lack of media interest, Avi explained to Caldron Pool, “This is why it’s so important to have alternative media. The mainstream media only tends to cover what fits their agenda.”
I wish some people here would get that point. Instead they go to Wikipedia and report back that xyz media outlet is considered untrustworthy because they have a right wing bias.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by jalanlong » Fri Jul 29, 2022 2:09 pm

Desert wrote:
Mon Jul 18, 2022 3:17 pm
Okay, sorry I misinterpreted. I think I understand the positions of the recent posters here. If you look at some of the older posts, there were many that denied the reality of Covid, but I'm glad to see that the present discussions are more reasonable.

After a million plus deaths from Covid in the U.S., I can understand how it's taken quite seriously by many folks. Not all who died from Covid were immunocompromised. There was some randomness to it all, as would be expected.

I probably won't ever sympathize with those who feel victimized by the attempts to spare lives during the pandemic. I have a lot better things to be worried about than perceived overreaction to a pandemic.
Well good for you personally I guess. My inlaws lost their California business of 30+ years due to that state's egregious (and seemingly random) rules on what businesses could open, when they could open, how they had to change their business in order to operate going forward etc. I guess they should take comfort in all of the perceived lives that might have been saved by not walking into their store for almost 2 years. I am quite sure those customers did not just go somewhere else like Wal Mart for example who was able to remain open.
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Post by Mountaineer » Fri Jul 29, 2022 5:11 pm

jalanlong wrote:
Fri Jul 29, 2022 2:09 pm
My inlaws lost their California business of 30+ years due to that state's egregious (and seemingly random) rules on what businesses could open, when they could open, how they had to change their business in order to operate going forward etc. I guess they should take comfort in all of the perceived lives that might have been saved by not walking into their store for almost 2 years. I am quite sure those customers did not just go somewhere else like Wal Mart for example who was able to remain open.
Well that really sucks. I’m sorry about your in-laws.
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