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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by sophie » Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:02 pm

I've been wondering what to think about "long COVID", but this pretty much settles it in my view:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/17/heal ... -166055661

It's basically a somatization disorder reflecting extreme fear of COVID, induced by a combination of the mass media and Fauci's stance that COVID is so scary that the only acceptable end game is zero new cases and complete obliteration of the virus. Of course these people feel better after being vaccinated!!! Geez.

It is notable that there are many known post viral syndromes, like post-polio, and NONE of them have ever been shown to improve with vaccination. And, how the heck would introducing spike proteins from a virus you've already had do anything at all??? Presumably the mechanism of long COVID would be an autoimmune response to the virus, in which case you would expect that the vaccine would make things worse if anything. Right??

This is different from a long recovery time btw...which is not unknown for lots of viral illnesses. e.g. takes your lungs a while to get back to normal. Used to happen to me every year when I got my mandatory cold & bronchitis/sinusities, I wouldn't be back to normal for a good 2 months. I'm prepared to believe that some people would need a longer period to recover from COVID, but that's not what "long COVID" is billed as.
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Post by vnatale » Fri Mar 19, 2021 5:35 pm

Something to keep in mind...

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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Kriegsspiel » Fri Mar 19, 2021 5:53 pm

glennds wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 12:46 pm
Tortoise wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 11:41 am
SomeDude wrote:
Thu Mar 18, 2021 8:30 pm
As I've said before, coronavirus will end when the bravest among us refuse to wear masks and summon the courage to laugh and ridicule those that do.

Before coronavirus there was a large segment of the population that would have preferred to wear a mask but were afraid of ridicule. They need to return to that place from whence they came.
Funny story relating to this. My brother and his girlfriend, who are moving to FL to escape CA politics, were on a return flight from FL back to CA recently and struck up a conversation with a marine sitting in front of them.

Every time my brother tried talking to him while wearing his mask, the marine would interrupt and say, "Don't talk to me with that piece of shit on your face!"
That's some bravery alright.
On the other hand, maybe the Marine was just an asshole, and proudly exercising his right to be one.
Sounds like improper conduct to me if he was in uniform.
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Post by vnatale » Fri Mar 19, 2021 7:47 pm

A business in Texas!

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Texas Restaurant Owner Makes Waves With Sign Charging $75 for Mask Violations
BY MEGHAN ROOS ON 3/19/21 AT 3:26 PM EDT

https://www.newsweek.com/texas-restaura ... ns-1577489
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Post by dualstow » Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:15 am

Tickle in my throat yesterday, discomfort in chest today. This could easily be just a normal 'under the weather' infection. I did spend several hours outside in the cold a few days ago, so maybe I don't even have that.

But, I'm supposed to fly in a week. This is not good timing. Not only do I not want to infect anyone, but also if I were heartless and showed up at the airport, there's a fair chance I won't pass the temperature laser to the forehead.

Probably should have paid to protect my flight when I booked. O0 Maybe I still can.
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Post by I Shrugged » Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:30 am

Last night at a restaurant dinner with a couple of friends and wives, I made the comment, "This is not political, but I am just tired of wearing masks. Fogging glasses blah blah blah." They looked at me as if I had farted. Would not even engage the conversation. It made me feel like the skunk at the garden party.

The two guys are what I would call moderate republicans. I don't even know if they agree with me but are terrified to say so, or they think I'm an insurrectionist. I guess I'm not the first one who can no longer feel comfortable with his/her own friends. It's fine if they do disagree, although that would mean their positions are, "No, I like wearing masks." Which seems doubtful. But to not be able to discuss it, yikes.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Kriegsspiel » Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:39 am

Maybe their wives are mask-people and they didn't want to get into it with them there.
"You haven't, I suppose, ever mixed with politicians at close quarters. They're awful. I think some of these must have been the dregs anyhow, but I've discovered, what previously I didn't believe possible, that politicians behave in private life and say exactly the same things as they do in public. Their stupidity is inhuman.
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Post by Kriegsspiel » Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:41 am

Or maybe you're at that age where you actually farted and didn't notice.
"You haven't, I suppose, ever mixed with politicians at close quarters. They're awful. I think some of these must have been the dregs anyhow, but I've discovered, what previously I didn't believe possible, that politicians behave in private life and say exactly the same things as they do in public. Their stupidity is inhuman.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by SomeDude » Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:54 am

Kriegsspiel wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:39 am
Maybe their wives are mask-people and they didn't want to get into it with them there.
We have to start making fun of mask people or at least looking at them like they're weird.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

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I Shrugged wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:30 am
Last night at a restaurant dinner with a couple of friends and wives, I made the comment, "This is not political, but I am just tired of wearing masks. Fogging glasses blah blah blah." They looked at me as if I had farted. Would not even engage the conversation. It made me feel like the skunk at the garden party.

The two guys are what I would call moderate republicans. I don't even know if they agree with me but are terrified to say so, or they think I'm an insurrectionist. I guess I'm not the first one who can no longer feel comfortable with his/her own friends. It's fine if they do disagree, although that would mean their positions are, "No, I like wearing masks." Which seems doubtful. But to not be able to discuss it, yikes.
IS, at your age, you should not give a shit what other people think. I know better than to get into political discussions with friends and patients who have different views than I do but, if pressed, I will speak my mind. If they don't want to hang out with me any more because of it, their loss.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by I Shrugged » Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:27 am

pugchief wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:06 am
I Shrugged wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:30 am
Last night at a restaurant dinner with a couple of friends and wives, I made the comment, "This is not political, but I am just tired of wearing masks. Fogging glasses blah blah blah." They looked at me as if I had farted. Would not even engage the conversation. It made me feel like the skunk at the garden party.

The two guys are what I would call moderate republicans. I don't even know if they agree with me but are terrified to say so, or they think I'm an insurrectionist. I guess I'm not the first one who can no longer feel comfortable with his/her own friends. It's fine if they do disagree, although that would mean their positions are, "No, I like wearing masks." Which seems doubtful. But to not be able to discuss it, yikes.
IS, at your age, you should not give a shit what other people think. I know better than to get into political discussions with friends and patients who have different views than I do but, if pressed, I will speak my mind. If they don't want to hang out with me any more because of it, their loss.
On one hand I agree, but these are two of my oldest friends, from childhood until now. One was my best man. I'm still taken aback by the way it went.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by I Shrugged » Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:28 am

Kriegsspiel wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:41 am
Or maybe you're at that age where you actually farted and didn't notice.
Probably would have been more fun if I had.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Tortoise » Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:48 am

Kriegsspiel wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:39 am
Maybe their wives are mask-people and they didn't want to get into it with them there.
That would be my guess.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by pugchief » Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:03 pm

Tortoise wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:48 am
Kriegsspiel wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:39 am
Maybe their wives are mask-people and they didn't want to get into it with them there.
That would be my guess.
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I have a friend like that. His wife is a mask-nazi and he just rolls his eyes and goes along in order to keep the peace.
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Post by mathjak107 » Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:17 pm

I said to my wife since we have all these masks , why not spice things up in the bedroom ... I said I can put the mask on , who should I be ...she said ANYONE BUT YOU IS FINE ...


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Post by dualstow » Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:56 pm

SomeDude wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:54 am
Kriegsspiel wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:39 am
Maybe their wives are mask-people and they didn't want to get into it with them there.
We have to start making fun of mask people or at least looking at them like they're weird.
Since this is not the first time you suggested that, I gotta ask and put wild assumptions to rest: are you talking about teasing friends or confronting strangers in the street the way mask nazis confront people in stores?

If it's the latter,
I can see advocating online or even protesting in one spot, "Change the policy. We shouldn't have to wear masks!" But confronting people for complying with state law seems bold to say the least.
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Post by jalanlong » Sat Mar 20, 2021 3:02 pm

SomeDude wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:54 am
Kriegsspiel wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:39 am
Maybe their wives are mask-people and they didn't want to get into it with them there.
We have to start making fun of mask people or at least looking at them like they're weird.
That is ultimately the issue. Pro-maskers have gotten the upper hand and it seems like society has decided that its better to err on the side of safety (ie masks) than risk any possible transmission of germs. If you don't wear a mask you are (pick one): anti-science, selfish, Trumpian, conspiracy theorist etc. I don’t know how to get that reversed. Making fun of people wearing masks in their cars while driving alone has been going on for a year and people are still doing it. Like other laws, when people feel like virtue is on their side, they will not change their mind easily.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by SomeDude » Sat Mar 20, 2021 3:16 pm

dualstow wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:56 pm
SomeDude wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:54 am
Kriegsspiel wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:39 am
Maybe their wives are mask-people and they didn't want to get into it with them there.
We have to start making fun of mask people or at least looking at them like they're weird.
Since this is not the first time you suggested that, I gotta ask and put wild assumptions to rest: are you talking about teasing friends or confronting strangers in the street the way mask nazis confront people in stores?

If it's the latter,
I can see advocating online or even protesting in one spot, "Change the policy. We shouldn't have to wear masks!" But confronting people for complying with state law seems bold to say the least.

Ehhhh.....confront strangers at your own risk. But def ridicule friends and family who can take it. For those that can't, at least raise an eyebrow.

The masks will come off when it's considered weird to wear one.

And then coronvirus will be over.
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Post by SomeDude » Sat Mar 20, 2021 3:17 pm

jalanlong wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 3:02 pm
SomeDude wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:54 am
Kriegsspiel wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:39 am
Maybe their wives are mask-people and they didn't want to get into it with them there.
We have to start making fun of mask people or at least looking at them like they're weird.
That is ultimately the issue. Pro-maskers have gotten the upper hand and it seems like society has decided that its better to err on the side of safety (ie masks) than risk any possible transmission of germs. If you don't wear a mask you are (pick one): anti-science, selfish, Trumpian, conspiracy theorist etc. I don’t know how to get that reversed. Making fun of people wearing masks in their cars while driving alone has been going on for a year and people are still doing it. Like other laws, when people feel like virtue is on their side, they will not change their mind easily.
Yeah, jimmy kimmel and Trevor Noah are telling people masks are cool so it's gonna be tough.
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Post by dualstow » Sat Mar 20, 2021 4:16 pm

SomeDude wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:54 am
We have to start making fun of mask people or at least looking at them like they're weird.
dualstow wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:56 pm
Since this is not the first time you suggested that, I gotta ask and put wild assumptions to rest: are you talking about teasing friends or confronting strangers in the street the way mask nazis confront people in stores?
...
SomeDude wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 3:16 pm
Ehhhh.....confront strangers at your own risk. But def ridicule friends and family who can take it. For those that can't, at least raise an eyebrow.
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Seems fair.
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I Shrugged wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:30 am
Last night at a restaurant dinner with a couple of friends and wives, I made the comment, "This is not political, but I am just tired of wearing masks. Fogging glasses blah blah blah." They looked at me as if I had farted. Would not even engage the conversation. It made me feel like the skunk at the garden party.

The two guys are what I would call moderate republicans. I don't even know if they agree with me but are terrified to say so, or they think I'm an insurrectionist. I guess I'm not the first one who can no longer feel comfortable with his/her own friends. It's fine if they do disagree, although that would mean their positions are, "No, I like wearing masks." Which seems doubtful. But to not be able to discuss it, yikes.
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Post by tomfoolery » Sat Mar 20, 2021 5:40 pm

mathjak107 wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:17 pm
I said to my wife since we have all these masks , why not spice things up in the bedroom ... I said I can put the mask on , who should I be ...she said ANYONE BUT YOU IS FINE ...


Hmmmmmmm. Lol
Hahahahahaha I shouldn’t have been drinking coffee when I read this post! You owe me a new monitor!
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by jalanlong » Sat Mar 20, 2021 6:51 pm

SomeDude wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 3:17 pm
jalanlong wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 3:02 pm
SomeDude wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:54 am
Kriegsspiel wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:39 am
Maybe their wives are mask-people and they didn't want to get into it with them there.
We have to start making fun of mask people or at least looking at them like they're weird.
That is ultimately the issue. Pro-maskers have gotten the upper hand and it seems like society has decided that its better to err on the side of safety (ie masks) than risk any possible transmission of germs. If you don't wear a mask you are (pick one): anti-science, selfish, Trumpian, conspiracy theorist etc. I don’t know how to get that reversed. Making fun of people wearing masks in their cars while driving alone has been going on for a year and people are still doing it. Like other laws, when people feel like virtue is on their side, they will not change their mind easily.
Yeah, jimmy kimmel and Trevor Noah are telling people masks are cool so it's gonna be tough.
The one thing that gives me hope is look how quickly opinions changed on virtual learning. A year ago sending your kid to school during Covid was a sign you wanted them to die. Late last year the narrative completely changed to keeping them isolated at home is much more dangerous long term then sending them to school. Only a few holdouts (mostly in LA) still don’t want in-person learning now. Maybe that can happen with masks.
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Post by Tortoise » Sat Mar 20, 2021 7:41 pm

When I walked into the store yesterday, the guy in front of me had a bandana tied around his neck, but it wasn’t covering his face.

A store employee who was greeting customers as they entered reminded the guy that masks were required, so the guy said, “Oh, sorry” and pulled the bandana up over his face.

Although I don’t know for sure, I got the sense that the guy was “testing” the store to see if they’d bother him for not wearing a mask.

My prediction is that the “mask required” signs outside most stores will remain longer than most customers continue to comply with them. They will eventually be increasingly ignored until they are largely obsolete. Then they will quietly be taken down without much fanfare.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by whatchamacallit » Sat Mar 20, 2021 7:48 pm

The hardest thing to flip for masks in stores is going to be allowing the employees to not wear masks.

Hopefully eventually it is acceptable to not wear a mask if you are vaccinated. Then everyone can just stop wearing a mask. No way to prove someone hasn't been vaccinated with HIPAA laws hopefully.

Edit: on that note, if I was in retail I probably would wear a mask forever and dark glasses to protect my eyes from droplets.
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