Coronavirus General Discussion

[Libertarian666]

But this is the first time that has ever happened!

[SomeDude]

But this is the first time that has ever happened!

This is the first time it was named after an overpriced imported beer that smells like pee.

[pp4me]

But this is the first time that has ever happened!

"That which has been is what will be, That which is done is what will be done, And there is nothing new under the sun." Ecclesiastes 1:9

Maybe global warming will help.

[SomeDude]

But this is the first time that has ever happened!

"That which has been is what will be, That which is done is what will be done, And there is nothing new under the sun." Ecclesiastes 1:9

Maybe global warming will help.

It's called Climate change PP. It has never been called Global warming and before it wasn't called global warning it wasn't on the cover of time or whatever being called a new ice age. Also everyone has died of AIDS like we were told we would before we died of SARS or Ebola or whatever else we've died from.

COVID is a giant power grabbing scam fellas. Even if this is a slightly worse flu year (debatable), we've given up everything in exchange for nothing.

And it allowed a hoax to be spread that Joe Biden is the most popular human in history lol.

[SomeDude]

The Covid and Biden hoaxes have a lot in common. It's official policy of FOX, CNN, MSNBC, CBS, Google, Twitter, YouTube, Facebook, WaPo, NYT etc. to promote both hoaxes and remove content, censor, blacklist or insult anyone who disagrees.

Please ask yourself why content and debate about a pandemic or a national election needs this type of treatment?

Its the same reason poll watchers were kicked out of democrat cities when they flipped the states to Biden with truckloads of mysterious votes.

The truth is never afraid lies, but liars are afraid of the truth.

[Cortopassi]

Woo, haven’t looked at the forum for a few days.

Biden and Covid are hoaxes now, guess I didn’t miss much

[SomeDude]

Woo, haven’t looked at the forum for a few days.

Biden and Covid are hoaxes now, guess I didn’t miss much

No but we did miss you Cort. Where have you been? Why did you think you could take time off????

[boglerdude]

There's only a couple posters with extreme views.

Just to be sure this in the thread, Fauci on masks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRa6t_e7dgI

Reddit celebrating the death of republicans by (with?) covid
https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/ ... s/gi0w2yd/

[dualstow]

The Covid and Biden hoaxes ...
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I've met two people on this forum who know firsthand that Covid is not a hoax.

[Libertarian666]

The Covid and Biden hoaxes ...
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I've met two people on this forum who know firsthand that Covid is not a hoax.

Covid itself is not a hoax.
What is a hoax is the claim that it is so uniquely deadly that all of our civil rights must be suspended until it is completely gone.

[dualstow]

The Covid and Biden hoaxes ...
...

I've met two people on this forum who know firsthand that Covid is not a hoax.

Covid itself is not a hoax.
What is a hoax is the claim that it is so uniquely deadly that all of our civil rights must be suspended until it is completely gone.

Fair enough. I've turned something of a corner in that I think the damage to the economy does not warrant what they're doing to restaurants, for example. But I think "covid hoax" is too concise to let pass without comment.

[WiseOne]

The Covid and Biden hoaxes ...
...

I've met two people on this forum who know firsthand that Covid is not a hoax.

Covid itself is not a hoax.
What is a hoax is the claim that it is so uniquely deadly that all of our civil rights must be suspended until it is completely gone.

Fair enough. I've turned something of a corner in that I think the damage to the economy does not warrant what they're doing to restaurants, for example. But I think "covid hoax" is too concise to let pass without comment.

Yeah, agree. COVID is a real virus and it is certainly a killer for vulnerable populations.

It's the response to COVID that's at issue. We're behaving as though it had the mortality of the Black Death. The lockdowns we're experiencing now are almost perfectly parallel to the measures put in place in 1347-49 - right down to the masks, travel restrictions, and Biden's isolation in his basement. That's the only known precedent for the current state of affairs. At least that I'm aware of. Anyone know of others?

[dualstow]

Yeah, agree. COVID is a real virus and it is certainly a killer for vulnerable populations.

It's the response to COVID that's at issue. We're behaving as though it had the mortality of the Black Death. The lockdowns we're experiencing now are almost perfectly parallel to the measures put in place in 1347-49 - right down to the masks, travel restrictions, and Biden's isolation in his basement. That's the only known precedent for the current state of affairs. At least that I'm aware of. Anyone know of others?

I think at this point we should let people take calculated risks if they want to live their lives. No massive concerts in stadiums, but no arrests for 6 people in your own home because the neighbor told on you. (I saw that clip).
Balance.

Everyone has access to the info that's out there. Is it really a hoax, or are some gov'ts just being a little too heavy handed?

[vnatale]

Yeah, agree. COVID is a real virus and it is certainly a killer for vulnerable populations.

It's the response to COVID that's at issue. We're behaving as though it had the mortality of the Black Death. The lockdowns we're experiencing now are almost perfectly parallel to the measures put in place in 1347-49 - right down to the masks, travel restrictions, and Biden's isolation in his basement. That's the only known precedent for the current state of affairs. At least that I'm aware of. Anyone know of others?

I think at this point we should let people take calculated risks if they want to live their lives. No massive concerts in stadiums, but no arrests for 6 people in your own home because the neighbor told on you. (I saw that clip).
Balance.

Everyone has access to the info that's out there. Is it really a hoax, or are some gov'ts just being a little too heavy handed?

It is a typical government response of overkill. They do it out of fear that if they do not do so and something not good happens then they will be pilloried for not having done all that they could have done (and should have done with great hindsight). See response to 9/11. Classic overkill. It's actually the type of behavior the populace has demanded from their politicians. You must never not do anything that could have protected us from a bad outcome.

[dualstow]

yep

[Tortoise]

What happens to the CDCs budget and ability to hold press conferences that anyone gives a shit about after covid ends? Wouldn’t the CDC be incentivized to drag out covid as long as possible?

Multiple physicians have told me they think the public health profession has seriously damaged its reputation in the eyes of the public as a result of the Covid mess.

That’s probably a big part of the reason why so many people are opting out of taking the vaccine. The public health professionals who are telling us the vaccine is safe are the same ones who have been telling us for nine months that Covid is the Black Death and that entire societies should be almost completely shut down to make things more convenient for 1% of the population.

[vnatale]

This truly seems to have been accepted by all of us as the new normal as I was just shocked to see that no one had put anything here in this topic for nine (!!) days....

Vinny


Moderna CEO: We will have to live with COVID-19 ‘forever’

by Tyler Van Dyke, Breaking News Reporter | | January 13, 2021 07:53 PM


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... 19-forever

[Hal]

On no....Not again!

https://www.rt.com/news/512142-victoria ... e-andrews/

I am interstate and now have to get a permit to return home
https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2020/1 ... ity-award/

[dualstow]

This truly seems to have been accepted by all of us as the new normal as I was just shocked to see that no one had put anything here in this topic for nine (!!) days....
...

What else is there to say?

[WiseOne]

The issue isn't living with Covid forever. We are living with the flu forever and go about our lives anyway. The issue is living with the masks, lockdowns and new draconian government power that Covid has brought that we can't endure.

This is beautifully put MangoMan...as usual!! I just couldn't resist adding a little coda: being FI with the PP has got to be the best possible situation to be in today, apart from being the CEO of Amazon. We're set no matter what happens now:

Possibility #1: end of lockdowns -> market keeps going, economy recovers, your PP does just fine.
Possibility #2: perennial or recurring lockdowns with permanent ongoing restrictions/mask mandates putting up social barriers and discouraging a return to normal life, with no endpoint in sight -> we dive into an outright depression . PP will do just fine (just keep that bond allocation going).
Possibility #3: regardless of lockdowns, this board gets identified as containing the wrong opinions/views, all of us are doxxed, and we are penalized in various ways. The most important being that we get fired and blacklisted from future employment.

So who is close to being FI? I think that should be everyone's #1 priority right now. I did my numbers in the beginning of January, and I'm 6 months away from a comfortable, well-padded retirement but could easily scrape by right now. I'm assuming a standard 4% safe withdrawal rate, a 27% discount to Social Security, average tax rate of 17% and adding a 10% expense cushion, increasing to 20% after age 70.

I've been mostly lurking guys, with really very little opportunity to post. I'm definitely enjoying the commentaries, and very much thankful that the forum has been able to get it together and keep the tradition going.

[Mountaineer]

The issue isn't living with Covid forever. We are living with the flu forever and go about our lives anyway. The issue is living with the masks, lockdowns and new draconian government power that Covid has brought that we can't endure.

Very well said. You think it's bad now, buckle your seatbelt. I sometimes feel we are being "conditioned" to what the real plan is. Sure hope I'm wrong about that. I'd say more, but someone might think I'm a twit, or might cause someone to lose face while sitting in the parlor watching the tube and aptly chatting. Meanwhile, the clock is tick tocking.

[vnatale]

The issue isn't living with Covid forever. We are living with the flu forever and go about our lives anyway. The issue is living with the masks, lockdowns and new draconian government power that Covid has brought that we can't endure.

Very well said. You think it's bad now, buckle your seatbelt. I sometimes feel we are being "conditioned" to what the real plan is. Sure hope I'm wrong about that. I'd say more, but someone might think I'm a twit, or might cause someone to lose face while sitting in the parlor watching the tube and aptly chatting. Meanwhile, the clock is tick tocking.

I can assure you you are wrong about this. There is no "real plan"!

Just a lot of politicians who are afraid to lead and who are flailing away in the darkness.

There is no sinister, coordinated plot among them.

They are all doing what they think is best.

This would have been a case where a federal government led by someone who was proven to be trustworthy, whose integrity was beyond reproach....could have gone a LONG way.

[dualstow]

On no....Not again!
https://www.rt.com/news/512142-victoria ... e-andrews/
I am interstate and now have to get a permit to return home
https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2020/1 ... ity-award/

...So who is close to being FI? I think that should be everyone's #1 priority right now. I did my numbers in the beginning of January, and I'm 6 months away from a comfortable, well-padded retirement but could easily scrape by right now. I'm assuming a standard 4% safe withdrawal rate, a 27% discount to Social Security, average tax rate of 17% and adding a 10% expense cushion, increasing to 20% after age 70.

I've been mostly lurking guys, with really very little opportunity to post. I'm definitely enjoying the commentaries, and very much thankful that the forum has been able to get it together and keep the tradition going.

I feel funny saying it in a virus thread, but congrats, WiseOne!
And more on topic: best of luck getting back to your home provice, Hal.

[boglerdude]

> Just a lot of politicians who are afraid to lead and who are flailing away in the darkness

Iono, curfews are spreading. All day long in Lebanon. People aren't asking for that. We've been fine with "war zone" ERs during flu season, for years.

[Mountaineer]

The issue isn't living with Covid forever. We are living with the flu forever and go about our lives anyway. The issue is living with the masks, lockdowns and new draconian government power that Covid has brought that we can't endure.

Very well said. You think it's bad now, buckle your seatbelt. I sometimes feel we are being "conditioned" to what the real plan is. Sure hope I'm wrong about that. I'd say more, but someone might think I'm a twit, or might cause someone to lose face while sitting in the parlor watching the tube and aptly chatting. Meanwhile, the clock is tick tocking.

I can assure you you are wrong about this. There is no "real plan"!

Just a lot of politicians who are afraid to lead and who are flailing away in the darkness.

There is no sinister, coordinated plot among them.

They are all doing what they think is best.

This would have been a case where a federal government led by someone who was proven to be trustworthy, whose integrity was beyond reproach....could have gone a LONG way.

Vinny, my first four sentences were a set up for the last two. Reread and think social media (Twitter, Facebook, Parler, YouTube, AppChat, TikTok). And note the emoji. I think your response indicated you thought I was being serious. Lighten up Dude, have some fun, life is short, try some Single Malt!