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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:06 am
by vnatale
Too Big to Fail, COVID-19 Edition: How Private Equity Is Winning the Coronavirus Crisis

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/04 ... m_brand=vf

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:35 am
by dualstow
I was able to order online from a vendor at my farmers market that never used to have online ordering. So great to be able to go and pick up a one-time custom order (as opposed to a huge CSA share). Not cheap, though.
Xan wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:11 pm Saw an interesting article somewhere about dairies that are equipped to only supply milk in 8oz containers (for schools) and shredded cheese in 20lb bags (for restaurants). People's houses need much bigger milks and much smaller cheeses!
There’s a NYT article, Food Waste of the Pandemic, which is too depressing to even quote, for the most part. Lots of buried onions (“People don’t make onion rings at home”) and purposely spilled milk.

Regarding your note above, Xan:
At many dairy processors, for example, the machinery is designed to package shredded cheese in large bags for restaurants or place milk in small cartons for schools, rather than arrange the products in retail-friendly containers.

To repurpose those plants to put cheese in the 8 oz. bags that sell in grocery stores or bottle milk in gallon jugs would require millions of dollars in investment. For now, some processors have concluded that spending the money isn’t worth it.
EDIT: Here’s the link if anyone feels like crying: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/11/busi ... -food.html

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:21 am
by dualstow
Amid Coronavirus Pandemic, China Bans Domestic Trade of Wild Animals, but Offers Tax Breaks for Exports
China disapproves of ‘recklessly eating wild animals’ as its Finance Ministry offers incentives to ship them abroad
::) Oh, CCP. I'll take Biden any day of the week. No more complaining from me ::)
https://www.wsj.com/articles/amid-coron ... 1586683800

EDIT: { fixed broken link }

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:17 pm
by Tortoise
I Shrugged wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2020 7:36 pm I hope we all like eating at McDonalds and buying from Amazon. Because it feels like that is all that is going to be left when the dust settles.
And it gets worse. After this pandemic is over, who in their right mind would be willing to take the risk of opening or investing in a “non-essential” business if that business can be suddenly strangled to death at the government’s whim when the next big pandemic comes along?

This months-long lockdown overreaction may damage business investment for many, many years, making the economic recovery much slower and more painful than it would have been had the lockdown been very brief.

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:40 pm
by shekels
Covid death rates per one Million population. as of April 8, 2020

39.3923648256 Deaths Per One Million People in U.S.


United States Confirmed deaths (absolute) 12,888
Population (in millions) 327.17
Deaths per million 39.39


https://www.statista.com/statistics/110 ... habitants/

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:03 pm
by vnatale
shekels wrote: Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:40 pm Covid death rates per one Million population. as of April 8, 2020

39.3923648256 Deaths Per One Million People in U.S.


United States Confirmed deaths (absolute) 12,888
Population (in millions) 327.17
Deaths per million 39.39


https://www.statista.com/statistics/110 ... habitants/
United States has 4% of the world's population. It has 32% of the world's cases or deaths (not sure which).

Vinny

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:23 pm
by WiseOne
dualstow wrote: Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:35 am There’s a NYT article, Food Waste of the Pandemic, which is too depressing to even quote, for the most part. Lots of buried onions (“People don’t make onion rings at home”) and purposely spilled milk.

Regarding your note above, Xan:
At many dairy processors, for example, the machinery is designed to package shredded cheese in large bags for restaurants or place milk in small cartons for schools, rather than arrange the products in retail-friendly containers.

To repurpose those plants to put cheese in the 8 oz. bags that sell in grocery stores or bottle milk in gallon jugs would require millions of dollars in investment. For now, some processors have concluded that spending the money isn’t worth it.
EDIT: Here’s the link if anyone feels like crying: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/11/busi ... -food.html
Fascinating article.

I am pretty sure this is not the only sad result of a severely dislocated economy. The economy has a lot of moving parts that rely on each other, and the cascade of events stemming from the retail closures is going to be horrifying to watch.

One possible bright side: I found it interesting that people cooking at home are eating fewer vegetables than they get on their plates at a restaurant. I would hazard a guess that many of those restaurant-served vegetables go uneaten, so in a way, the waste is simply being transferred to a different point in the food production chain.

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 7:12 pm
by Ad Orientem
‘There Will Be Losses’: How a Captain’s Plea Exposed a Rift in the Military...
WASHINGTON — The captain had reached a breaking point.

The aircraft carrier he commanded, the Theodore Roosevelt, was docked in Guam as the coronavirus raced unchecked through its narrow corridors. The warship’s doctors estimated that more than 50 crew members would die, but Capt. Brett E. Crozier’s superiors were balking at what they considered his drastic request to evacuate nearly the entire ship.

Captain Crozier was haunted by the Diamond Princess, a cruise ship of 2,600 passengers in individual cabins where the virus had killed eight people and infected more than 700. The situation on his ship had the potential to be far worse: nearly 5,000 sailors crammed in shared berths, sometimes stacked three high. Eight of his sailors with severe Covid-19 symptoms had already been evacuated to the Navy’s hospital in Guam.

On March 30, after four days of rebuffs from his superiors, Captain Crozier sat down to compose an email. “Sailors don’t need to die,” he wrote to 20 other people, all Navy personnel in the Pacific, asking for help. A Naval Academy graduate with nearly 30 years of military service, the captain knew the email would most likely end his career, his friends said in interviews. The military prizes its chain of command, and the appropriate course would have been for the captain to continue to push his superiors for action.

He hit “send” anyway.

Three weeks later, the fired captain is battling the coronavirus himself, 584 other crew members have tested positive and the acting Navy secretary has resigned. The secretary, Thomas B. Modly, removed the captain because he thought that was what President Trump wanted, officials said. Mr. Modly, the officials said, was keenly aware that his predecessor in the job had been fired after tangling with Mr. Trump. But in trying to please the president, Mr. Modly miscalculated and destroyed his own career.

Read the rest here...
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/us/p ... e=Homepage

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:19 pm
by Xan
WiseOne wrote: Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:23 pmI found it interesting that people cooking at home are eating fewer vegetables than they get on their plates at a restaurant.
I was really surprised by that. I eat a lot more vegetables at home than when I'm eating out. I think.

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 7:22 am
by dualstow
The honeymoon’s over.
Mr. Trump reposted a Twitter message that said “Time to #FireFauci” as he rejected criticism of his slow initial response to the pandemic that has now killed more than 22,000 people in the United States. The president privately has been irritated at times with Dr. Fauci, but the Twitter message was the most explicit he has been in letting that show publicly.
(This is a link to a live update and won’t work forever)
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/us/c ... dates.html

Looking at the tweet, Trump himself added a comment and never explicitly attacked Fauci. But, it’s pretty clear there is bad blood.

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:23 am
by dualstow
How COVID-19 Has Impacted Media Consumption, by Generation
A Visual Capitalist Infographic
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/media- ... -covid-19/

even better: What Shoppers are Buying
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/shoppe ... -covid-19/

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:44 am
by shekels
dualstow wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:23 am How COVID-19 Has Impacted Media Consumption, by Generation
A Visual Capitalist Infographic
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/media- ... -covid-19/

even better: What Shoppers are Buying
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/shoppe ... -covid-19/

What kind of Propaganda is this..
Where are the Guns and Ammo.. ???

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:49 am
by dualstow
shekels wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:44 am
dualstow wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:23 am ...
even better: What Shoppers are Buying
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/shoppe ... -covid-19/
What kind of Propaganda is this..
Where are the Guns and Ammo.. ???
Aisle 3, just next to the cans of Chef Boyardee.

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:50 am
by shekels
dualstow wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:49 am
shekels wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:44 am
dualstow wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:23 am ...
even better: What Shoppers are Buying
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/shoppe ... -covid-19/
What kind of Propaganda is this..
Where are the Guns and Ammo.. ???
Aisle 3, just next to the cans of Chef Boyardee.
But i want my Gun NOW...

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:56 am
by dualstow
dualstow wrote: Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:21 am Amid Coronavirus Pandemic, China Bans Domestic Trade of Wild Animals, but Offers Tax Breaks for Exports
China disapproves of ‘recklessly eating wild animals’ as its Finance Ministry offers incentives to ship them abroad
::) Oh, CCP. I'll take Biden any day of the week. No more complaining from me ::)
https://www.wsj.com/articles/amid-coron ... 1586683800
Did anyone read the above, btw? It is truly disturbing.

A few choice cuts for those who don't have a subscription:
Less than a month later, China’s Ministry of Finance and tax authority said on March 17 they would raise value-added tax rebates on nearly 1,500 Chinese products, including offering a 9% rebate on the export of animal products such as edible snakes and turtles, primate meat, beaver and civet musk, and rhino horns, a Chinese government document shows.
And yet, even small amounts of exports could pose a risk, should wild animals prove to be the source of pandemics, as some Chinese reports suggest. The U.S. was the biggest importer of China’s animal products used in pharmaceuticals, such as civet and beaver, buying around $865,000 over January and February 2020, according to the data.

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:58 am
by Kriegsspiel
Even I am astonished by these graphs. I was expecting to see something in the graphs by week 13, even if I wasn’t expecting anything scary. But there’s just nothing. And you can’t say the lockdown caused this, because the UK lockdown had only been going for four days by this time. We’ve locked down the country for a supposed mass killer that still isn’t visible in the stats even after the lockdown was declared. We locked the country down for something that at the time only existed in Neil Ferguson’s dodgy computer models. link

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:31 pm
by vnatale
One thing that seems to be unaffected by all of this is commercials!

On both TV and radio they seem to be as unrelenting as ever!

Many of them, though, are completely valueless to the advertisers. That leads me to the belief that contractually they had no way of getting out of them?

I'm surprised, though, that none of them are not seizing on what could be a great marketing opportunity. Telling us what a great company they are by the way they are treating their employees. Maybe they don't want to do so in case they end up being not so great in that aspect?

Vinny

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:36 pm
by Mountaineer
Here is some brighter news via Garage Theology re. the virus (depending on your beliefs of course):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4d16oFba7o

It's all good!

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:32 pm
by dualstow
With restaurant closures, urban rats are getting hungry and angry. I need some feral cats in the backyard, or maybe an owl. We get a hawk from time to time.
https://apple.news/AQ6sRdqQpRqmQ29wQXPBLZA

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:48 pm
by Tortoise
You know, I almost said something in response to your recent "happy birds in NYC" post, dualstow. But I didn't want to be a Debbie Downer.

I bet the birds in NYC are just as hungry as those rats.

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:26 pm
by dualstow
oh no, you still said it!
:-) I think you’re right, though. Robins get worms from my backyard, but I forgot about the pigeons.
Coronavirus affects so many things.

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 7:04 pm
by Tortoise
dualstow wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:26 pm oh no, you still said it!
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 6:25 pm
by vnatale
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:43 am
by WiseOne
I swear, the $50 Amazon basics bidet has already paid for itself! I'm glad I have no problem finding toilet paper but the stuff now costs a fortune.

So on another topic...what do y'all think of Trump's decision to withhold the US contribution to the WHO, which is the lion's share of its budget?

At first glance, this is as crazy as Bill Gates, the AMA, and others have said. WHO would obviously collapse without that funding. But then I thought...what have they actually done that was at all useful? They officially called it a "pandemic". Was that worth the $1 billion dues payment? (caveat: I vaguely remember that number, just tried to look it up to confirm but couldn't find the info online.)

They were a lot more useful during the Ebola virus outbreak, because they organized medical professionals to go to Africa to help. Nothing like that has happened with COVID. Also, would those medical professionals not have been able to go anyway, without WHO to arrange logistics? If WHO didn't exist some other group would have stepped in, since that was obviously a situation in which international help was needed.

In fact, the ideal group already exists: Doctors Without Borders. When I was in Kenya doing a medical student rotation during a cholera outbreak, we got a visit from DwB doctors from Spain who provided advice and a supply of rehydration salts as well as a recipe for a homemade version. The advice was invaluable. We had been rehydrating with IV solutions and were losing patients due to metabolic derangements - including a 5 year old boy who had been getting better. So I followed the advice, put down NG tubes and rehydrated with the salts. The patients treated that way all recovered.

So what DO we need WHO for? and is it worth the $1 billion that could otherwise have been spent on, say, manufacturing N95 masks? All good questions that it's about time were asked.

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2020 10:11 am
by shekels