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Re: Coronavirus Conspiracy Theories

Post by Tortoise » Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:49 pm

mdwilson1991 wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:33 pm
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There must be thousands of researchers examining this virus. Could some of them tell if it was engineered?
Yes, they can tell if was engineered. It wasn't.

Check the article I posted earlier in this thread. (We don't seem to have post numbers here, or I would just say look at post #...)

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 175442.htm
To play devil's advocate: Something appearing to be naturally occurring doesn't necessarily prove that it's naturally occurring.

In numerous engineering disciplines, there are examples of engineering something to look similar to, or function indistinguishably from, something natural. Cryptography is one example, in which messages are manipulated in various ways to make them look indistinguishable from random noise or gibberish.

Is it inconceivable that scientists working on creating a new pathogen might want to start with a natural virus that's benign to humans and then genetically modify it in such a way that it could plausibly be mistaken for a random mutation?

I know the study mentioned in the Science Daily article claims to rule out that possibility, but it does so based on the fact that the mutation appears to be natural. Appearances can be deceiving.
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Re: Coronavirus Conspiracy Theories

Post by mdwilson1991 » Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:59 pm

Tortoise wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:49 pm
mdwilson1991 wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:33 pm
I Shrugged wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:17 pm
There must be thousands of researchers examining this virus. Could some of them tell if it was engineered?
Yes, they can tell if was engineered. It wasn't.

Check the article I posted earlier in this thread. (We don't seem to have post numbers here, or I would just say look at post #...)

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 175442.htm
To play devil's advocate: Something appearing to be naturally occurring doesn't necessarily prove that it's naturally occurring.

In numerous engineering disciplines, there are examples of engineering something to look similar to, or function indistinguishably from, something natural. Cryptography is one example, in which messages are manipulated in various ways to make them look indistinguishable from random noise or gibberish.

Is it inconceivable that scientists working on creating a new pathogen might want to start with a natural virus that's benign to humans and then genetically modify it in such a way that it could plausibly be mistaken for a random mutation?

I know the study mentioned in the Science Daily article claims to rule out that possibility, but it does so based on the fact that the mutation appears to be natural. Appearances can be deceiving.
People making nonsense up and putting it forth as "theory" is also deceiving.

The article is written by experts in the field. People who have forgotten more about immunology than everyone in this forum ever knew all added together.

I guess we can always just make shit up and say "maybe this happened, you can't prove it didn't."

Maybe aliens came down and live secretly among us, spreading the virus after receiving instructions from their HQ located underneath the Great Pyramid.

Anyway, this is not meant as a personal attack of anyone on this thread. It is just very dangerous for people to conjure up "explanations". That is the sort of thinking that leads to people believing in that nonsense and doing dangerous things.

Like intentionally crashing a train near a hospital ship. Or threatening the life of the top medical adviser to the President. Or firing a rifle inside a pizza shop because you actually believed Hilary Clinton was running a pedophile sex ring there.

[edited to sound less like a jerk, hopefully]
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Re: Coronavirus Conspiracy Theories

Post by dualstow » Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:09 pm

mdwilson1991 wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:33 pm
I Shrugged wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:17 pm
There must be thousands of researchers examining this virus. Could some of them tell if it was engineered?
Yes, they can tell if was engineered. It wasn't.
Check the article I posted earlier in this thread. (We don't seem to have post numbers here, or I would just say look at post #...)
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 175442.htm
It's page 1. Not exactly a convenient post number, but you can mouse over the thread title in the specific post you want, and that will yield something like this:
Clickable: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=10575#p191014
Full link with "#p____":

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https://www.gyroscopicinvesting.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=10575#p191014
P.S. If the Chinese do bioengineer a virus, it will so obviously be a cheap knockoff of our American made ones, built with pride!
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Re: Coronavirus Conspiracy Theories

Post by shekels » Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:33 pm

So Here are more Theories. Good Luck to you All.

Question: https://thecommonsenseshow.com/conspira ... e-war-mode

Answer:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRLDPy1A8pI


Also for the Younger crowd, what to look forward to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JLBXfKDbbI
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Re: Coronavirus Conspiracy Theories

Post by shekels » Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:38 pm

WARNING not Virus related
Conspiracy Theory? You Decide ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJqM2tFOxLQ
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Re: Coronavirus Conspiracy Theories

Post by Tortoise » Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:57 pm

mdwilson1991 wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:59 pm
I guess we can always just make shit up and say "maybe this happened, you can't prove it didn't."
That actually sounds like it would make for a really fun discussion thread.

Oh wait, that's this thread! ;)
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Re: Coronavirus Conspiracy Theories

Post by Maddy » Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:48 am

At the heart of the scientific method is skepticism. Anyone who attempts to foreclose debate by proclaiming that the science is settled is not a scientist; he is a shill.
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Post by Smith1776 » Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:51 am

Only a Sith deals in absolutes. But that, in and of itself, was a statement of an absolute. Does that then make me a Sith? O0
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Re: Coronavirus Conspiracy Theories

Post by Mountaineer » Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:52 am

Maddy wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:48 am
At the heart of the scientific method is skepticism. Anyone who attempts to foreclose debate by proclaiming that the science is settled is not a scientist; he is a shill.
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Re: Coronavirus Conspiracy Theories

Post by Maddy » Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:29 am

At the heart of the scientific method is skepticism. Anyone who attempts to foreclose debate by proclaiming that the science is settled is not a scientist; he is a shill.
Or a boglehead.
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Re: Coronavirus Conspiracy Theories

Post by sophie » Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:37 am

If it's any consolation, ramming the Mercy ship with the train would have been bad for the people on board, but would have made zero impact on the coronavirus healthcare situation. Those ships are monumentally useless. They refuse to take COVID cases and instituted a very cumbersome procedure for taking transfers, including a list of 49 conditions apart from COVID that they also refuse to take. Who the heck has time for that?? My hospital reported only being able to send 1 or 2 patients to the Comfort, out of almost 2000 inpatients. They ended up deciding that the benefit wasn't worth the effort.

Make a conspiracy theory out of that if you can? I don't think I'd chalk this up to anything other than gross incompetence, ignorance etc on the part of the Navy. They were apparently just as useless on recent dispatches, e.g. to Puerto Rico after Hurricane Maria.
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