Coronavirus Conspiracy Theories

[dualstow]

You don't keep a common cold virus (common coronavirus) in a P4 lab.

Unless they're crazy like a fox?
What do I know from P4 labs. Ok, it's in a P5 lab.

[Tyler]

Of course I don't speak Chinese so I have to take his work for it, but I found this interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQFCcS ... e=youtu.be

[dualstow]

Of course I don't speak Chinese so I have to take his work for it, but I found this interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQFCcS ... e=youtu.be

Interesting indeed. i watched the whole thing (at 1.25x speed).
Side note: he has a funny handle. 老外, usually spelled laowai but pronounced as it’s spelled in his handle, means foreigner.

[vnatale]

Coronavirus conspiracy theorist charged with derailing a train in California

https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus ... story.html

[Hal]

Going to put this out there -- I LOVE conspiracy theories. For entertainment value... mostly.

+1

Frog Conspiracy - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldfGaoJIPDs

Fluoride Conspiracy - https://ia801709.us.archive.org/10/item ... gelove.mp4

Even a cartoon character conspiracy

[Mark Leavy]

A train engineer tried to crash into the US Mercy Hospital ship. So "people would know what is going on".

A train engineer at the Port of Los Angeles is facing federal charges for allegedly charging a locomotive off tracks toward the USNS Mercy, which he suspected is tied to a government plot, federal prosecutors said Wednesday.

[Mark Leavy]

Love the new avatar, Mark. Is that one of your salt water boiled bandanas?

Yes indeed. Thanks! It is crazy stiff. Almost like cardboard.

[I Shrugged]

There must be thousands of researchers examining this virus. Could some of them tell if it was engineered?

[mdwilson1991]

There must be thousands of researchers examining this virus. Could some of them tell if it was engineered?

Yes, they can tell if was engineered. It wasn't.

Check the article I posted earlier in this thread. (We don't seem to have post numbers here, or I would just say look at post #...)

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 175442.htm

[flyingpylon]

There must be thousands of researchers examining this virus. Could some of them tell if it was engineered?

Yes, they can tell if was engineered. It wasn't.

Check the article I posted earlier in this thread. (We don't seem to have post numbers here, or I would just say look at post #...)

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 175442.htm

Funny how the "experts" left out the fact that the Chinese have tried to cover the whole thing up.

Oh well, I'm sure it's nothing...

[Tortoise]

There must be thousands of researchers examining this virus. Could some of them tell if it was engineered?

Yes, they can tell if was engineered. It wasn't.

Check the article I posted earlier in this thread. (We don't seem to have post numbers here, or I would just say look at post #...)

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 175442.htm

To play devil's advocate: Something appearing to be naturally occurring doesn't necessarily prove that it's naturally occurring.

In numerous engineering disciplines, there are examples of engineering something to look similar to, or function indistinguishably from, something natural. Cryptography is one example, in which messages are manipulated in various ways to make them look indistinguishable from random noise or gibberish.

Is it inconceivable that scientists working on creating a new pathogen might want to start with a natural virus that's benign to humans and then genetically modify it in such a way that it could plausibly be mistaken for a random mutation?

I know the study mentioned in the Science Daily article claims to rule out that possibility, but it does so based on the fact that the mutation appears to be natural. Appearances can be deceiving.

[mdwilson1991]

There must be thousands of researchers examining this virus. Could some of them tell if it was engineered?

Yes, they can tell if was engineered. It wasn't.

Check the article I posted earlier in this thread. (We don't seem to have post numbers here, or I would just say look at post #...)

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 175442.htm

To play devil's advocate: Something appearing to be naturally occurring doesn't necessarily prove that it's naturally occurring.

In numerous engineering disciplines, there are examples of engineering something to look similar to, or function indistinguishably from, something natural. Cryptography is one example, in which messages are manipulated in various ways to make them look indistinguishable from random noise or gibberish.

Is it inconceivable that scientists working on creating a new pathogen might want to start with a natural virus that's benign to humans and then genetically modify it in such a way that it could plausibly be mistaken for a random mutation?

I know the study mentioned in the Science Daily article claims to rule out that possibility, but it does so based on the fact that the mutation appears to be natural. Appearances can be deceiving.

People making nonsense up and putting it forth as "theory" is also deceiving.

The article is written by experts in the field. People who have forgotten more about immunology than everyone in this forum ever knew all added together.

I guess we can always just make shit up and say "maybe this happened, you can't prove it didn't."

Maybe aliens came down and live secretly among us, spreading the virus after receiving instructions from their HQ located underneath the Great Pyramid.

Anyway, this is not meant as a personal attack of anyone on this thread. It is just very dangerous for people to conjure up "explanations". That is the sort of thinking that leads to people believing in that nonsense and doing dangerous things.

Like intentionally crashing a train near a hospital ship. Or threatening the life of the top medical adviser to the President. Or firing a rifle inside a pizza shop because you actually believed Hilary Clinton was running a pedophile sex ring there.

[edited to sound less like a jerk, hopefully]

[dualstow]

There must be thousands of researchers examining this virus. Could some of them tell if it was engineered?

Yes, they can tell if was engineered. It wasn't.
Check the article I posted earlier in this thread. (We don't seem to have post numbers here, or I would just say look at post #...)
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 175442.htm

It's page 1. Not exactly a convenient post number, but you can mouse over the thread title in the specific post you want, and that will yield something like this:
Clickable: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=10575#p191014
Full link with "#p____":

Code: Select all

https://www.gyroscopicinvesting.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=10575#p191014

P.S. If the Chinese do bioengineer a virus, it will so obviously be a cheap knockoff of our American made ones, built with pride!

[shekels]

So Here are more Theories. Good Luck to you All.

Question: https://thecommonsenseshow.com/conspira ... e-war-mode

Answer:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRLDPy1A8pI


Also for the Younger crowd, what to look forward to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JLBXfKDbbI

[shekels]

WARNING not Virus related
Conspiracy Theory? You Decide

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJqM2tFOxLQ

[Tortoise]

I guess we can always just make shit up and say "maybe this happened, you can't prove it didn't."

That actually sounds like it would make for a really fun discussion thread.

Oh wait, that's this thread!

[flyingpylon]

Coronavirus Expert Says Virus Could Have Leaked From Wuhan Lab

[Maddy]

At the heart of the scientific method is skepticism. Anyone who attempts to foreclose debate by proclaiming that the science is settled is not a scientist; he is a shill.

[Smith1776]

Only a Sith deals in absolutes. But that, in and of itself, was a statement of an absolute. Does that then make me a Sith?

[Mountaineer]

At the heart of the scientific method is skepticism. Anyone who attempts to foreclose debate by proclaiming that the science is settled is not a scientist; he is a shill.

+1000.123456789..........

[Maddy]

At the heart of the scientific method is skepticism. Anyone who attempts to foreclose debate by proclaiming that the science is settled is not a scientist; he is a shill.

Or a boglehead.

[WiseOne]

If it's any consolation, ramming the Mercy ship with the train would have been bad for the people on board, but would have made zero impact on the coronavirus healthcare situation. Those ships are monumentally useless. They refuse to take COVID cases and instituted a very cumbersome procedure for taking transfers, including a list of 49 conditions apart from COVID that they also refuse to take. Who the heck has time for that?? My hospital reported only being able to send 1 or 2 patients to the Comfort, out of almost 2000 inpatients. They ended up deciding that the benefit wasn't worth the effort.

Make a conspiracy theory out of that if you can? I don't think I'd chalk this up to anything other than gross incompetence, ignorance etc on the part of the Navy. They were apparently just as useless on recent dispatches, e.g. to Puerto Rico after Hurricane Maria.

[shekels]

Bill Gates on How to Kill over 10 million excess people. Yes that is excess people.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AEMKudv5p0

So, We will Limit Your Travels and know where you go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A50TGg0 ... e=youtu.be

by the way Bill Gates funded the PIRBRIGHT institute, which owns the patent on coronavirus

[Cortopassi]

Bill Gates on How to Kill over 10 million excess people. Yes that is excess people.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AEMKudv5p0

So, We will Limit Your Travels and know where you go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A50TGg0 ... e=youtu.be

by the way Bill Gates funded the PIRBRIGHT institute, which owns the patent on coronavirus

Let me make the simplistic, non-conspiracy answer:

Excess: poor choice of words while speaking. He probably meant to say "or more"

The second video: most/my kids can't go to school without showing they've been vaccinated for measles, mumps, etc. Why would there be a big to-do if similar requirements are needed for Covid-19 vaccination? Already exists: https://www.who.int/ith/2016-ith-county-list.pdf

And the Pirbright comment: https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-fact ... SKBN20W2FB

[Tyler]

Here's the pet project Bill Gates is referring to:

https://biohackinfo.com/news-bill-gates ... tificates/

Passports are one thing, but implantables start to get really sketchy to me.