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Smith1776 wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 2:30 am Recently, tighter gun control laws were enacted here in Canada, and that has spurred some off the cuff thoughts on my part regarding the news lately.

Smith1776 wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 2:30 am Recently, tighter gun control laws were enacted here in Canada, and that has spurred some off the cuff thoughts on my part regarding the news lately.

For those who are proponents of gun control who are outraged at the killing of innocent people like George Floyd at the hands of the police, or the detainment of journalists, or the shooting of innocent civilians like in this video, I hope they are now beginning to understand the importance of upholding the public’s right to own firearms.

These are all just small instances of a larger issue at play. Owning a gun has scant relevance to defending yourself against terrorists, burglars, or flying saucers. It’s about defending yourself against a police state that does not care for your well-being or your liberties.

Whether you're talking about Snowden's revelations, the oppression and censorship endured by the Chinese, or any other countless examples, it is clear that oppressive government regimes are not the stuff of tinfoil hat conspiracy theories. The recent events in America and Hong Kong, and the long passage of history should further make that obvious.

The founding fathers knew that the only way to keep a government in check was by giving citizens the right to defend themselves. But there are now too many complacent people in industrialized countries that simply don’t care about something that they should be fighting tooth and nail to keep.

I feel like I'm really kicking the hornets nest with a post like this. Opinions are always welcome.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bad_Cop_No_Don ... ou_police/

shekels wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 8:53 am

It is not only about the Police State..
How are you going to defend YOU and your Loved Ones?
There is EVIL in this World,and it is up to You that is ultimately responsible for your Security.

Kriegsspiel wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 6:31 am Guns are actually very relevant in defending yourself from terrorists and burglars.

I Shrugged wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 1:15 pm

Kriegsspiel wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 6:31 am Guns are actually very relevant in defending yourself from terrorists and burglars.

Yes but the thinking behind the 2nd amendment was that armed citizens won't be ruled by tyrants. I wish the pro-2A advocates would stress that more, instead of putting so much of their efforts behind the personal protection angle. Because, there is no counter-argument, other than "Our nation will never become a tyranny or be overrun by one." One would think that the anti-Trumpers might, deep down, see the point. Given their views of him as a tyrant. I know they won't though, because "once they are in charge", all will be lovely.

In any event, I suggest pointing out and defending the real reason for armed citizens, whenever one is advocating for that right. My God, just start listing the examples, and they never end. Cambodia. Nazi Germany. Haiti. On and on. When I have pointed this out to the snowflakes in my life, it seems to stop them in their tracks and make them say, "Hmmmm."

dualstow wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 7:19 pm Whether you are pro-firearms or anti-firearms, I just can't imagine any means by which the U.S. population would be disarmed. It's not going to happen. Maybe at some point, after we're all long gone, they will prohibit the sale of bullets, and they'll have to be bought on the black market.

I Shrugged wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 8:49 pm I wonder how many serious gun owners there are in the US. Because the ones I have known have many guns and thousands of rounds of ammo. And there are a lot of them. There have to be hundreds of millions of rounds of ammo in private hands.

vnatale wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:26 am

I Shrugged wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 8:49 pm I wonder how many serious gun owners there are in the US. Because the ones I have known have many guns and thousands of rounds of ammo. And there are a lot of them. There have to be hundreds of millions of rounds of ammo in private hands.

There are enough of them to take on their police departments. Maybe. But how are they going to do against the military?

Vinny

vnatale wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:26 am

I Shrugged wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 8:49 pm I wonder how many serious gun owners there are in the US. Because the ones I have known have many guns and thousands of rounds of ammo. And there are a lot of them. There have to be hundreds of millions of rounds of ammo in private hands.

There are enough of them to take on their police departments. Maybe. But how are they going to do against the military?

Vinny

Smith1776 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 2:32 pm This thread ended up going way better than I thought. As opposed to civil rights leaders and politicians, the person whose opinion I'm really looking forward to hearing is Dave Chappelle.

Dave Chappelle wrote:I think every African American should get a permit to carry a firearm. (Nearly silent applause, some nods and gestures of ‘yeah!’ Pause....) And then guns will be promptly outlawed!

dualstow wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:15 pm

Smith1776 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 2:32 pm This thread ended up going way better than I thought. As opposed to civil rights leaders and politicians, the person whose opinion I'm really looking forward to hearing is Dave Chappelle.

I like his bit where he said,

Dave Chappelle wrote:I think every African American should get a permit to carry a firearm. (Nearly silent applause, some nods and gestures of ‘yeah!’ Pause....) And then guns will be promptly outlawed!

That’s a paraphrase.

Smith1776 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:30 pm Unpopular opinion incoming:

Sometimes violence is the answer. I don't necessarily mean in the context of the riots/protests happening now. I'm not necessarily saying any of that is justified. But speaking in a broader context. I've been hearing lots of voices about how every protest, every movement, and every lamentation about government and the abuse of citizens has to be expressed peacefully.

This whole idea of being peaceful and going to the ballot box to enact change is utter horse shit because it's very obvious that the political system is rigged and nothing will change that way.

Hell, America as a country was founded on violent revolution.
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MangoMan wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:44 pm Am I the only one here that thinks part of the reason the rioting has gotten so out of hand is bc of the Covid lockdown?

MangoMan wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:44 pm Am I the only one here that thinks part of the reason the rioting has gotten so out of hand is bc of the Covid lockdown? I agree with Scott Adams that this has set the progress of Black back 10 years. But doesn't take much to make people snap under the conditions we've been under.

Mountaineer wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:51 pm

MangoMan wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:44 pm Am I the only one here that thinks part of the reason the rioting has gotten so out of hand is bc of the Covid lockdown? I agree with Scott Adams that this has set the progress of Black back 10 years. But doesn't take much to make people snap under the conditions we've been under.

I’m with you Pug. My wife and I just had that conversation. And we added hot weather to the mix. Pressure cooker times indeed.

dualstow wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:50 pm
You reminded me of this clip of James Baldwin talking about different people taking up arms.
https://youtu.be/ZVjZipnb_hc. EDIT: sorry, forgot to paste it, initially.

Is that Dick Cavett?