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Re: Being supportive of rioters

Post by technovelist » Tue Jun 02, 2020 1:48 pm

sophie wrote:
Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:29 am
Hey, I've got a great idea. Build a new city somewhere, safely away from existing communities. On an island, maybe. Mandate that there will be no police, court system, or jails. Let's even be nice and offer people who move there free housing and a small stipend, by way of attraction. In return, they have to agree to strict limitations on travel out of the city.

Wonder what the results of this experiment would be. I bet life there wouldn't be much different from current minority communities, but perhaps the residents would be happier without having to deal with outsiders trying to enforce laws. We certainly would be happier with less crime to worry about. In other words, why not give them what they want - EXACTLY what they want?
The outcome would depend entirely on who the residents were.
If the residents were like you and me, in other words pro- rather than anti-social, it would be heaven on earth.
If the residents were criminals, it would be... well, just like it is today in the blue cities.
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Re: Being supportive of rioters

Post by Cortopassi » Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:55 pm

tech, especially, but all,

I grew up in a working class family, dad was a mechanic, mom was a housewife, our grandparents lived with us. My parents were 1st generation immigrants.

My brother and I both graduated college. He is a Dr, I am an engineer. All our kids will have degrees and some with advanced degrees.

We all had an opportunity to go to really good schools, and live in great neighborhoods.

I don't think most of us have any concept of living in neighborhoods like some of the ones where we are seeing the riots. Of going to shitty schools. Of being in fear of gangs. I cannot even imagine it. I would think the first thing any sane person would want to do is leave these areas. But I don't know and cannot understand their personal situations. So I can't pass judgement. The looting and vandalism is bad, and unlawful, but it is still a tiny minority of the people out there protesting and there are always assholes just like there are good cops and bad cops.

And they are the ones who mostly make the news.
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Re: Being supportive of rioters

Post by technovelist » Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:05 pm

Cortopassi wrote:
Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:55 pm
tech, especially, but all,

I grew up in a working class family, dad was a mechanic, mom was a housewife, our grandparents lived with us. My parents were 1st generation immigrants.

My brother and I both graduated college. He is a Dr, I am an engineer. All our kids will have degrees and some with advanced degrees.

We all had an opportunity to go to really good schools, and live in great neighborhoods.

I don't think most of us have any concept of living in neighborhoods like some of the ones where we are seeing the riots. Of going to shitty schools. Of being in fear of gangs. I cannot even imagine it. I would think the first thing any sane person would want to do is leave these areas. But I don't know and cannot understand their personal situations. So I can't pass judgement. The looting and vandalism is bad, and unlawful, but it is still a tiny minority of the people out there protesting and there are always assholes just like there are good cops and bad cops.

And they are the ones who mostly make the news.
I grew up in a working class family. My grandparents were first generation immigrants.
I was the first one in my direct line to graduate from college.
I paid for it with work and with grants and loans, all paid back.
I've lived in some really crappy neighborhoods, in Brooklyn in particular. I shudder to think how much danger I was in without realizing it.

I understand protesting, and support it even if I don't agree with the particular complaint. It's their right.

But nothing justifies arson and looting. Nothing.
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Re: Being supportive of rioters

Post by Dieter » Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:24 pm

White natuonalists posing as Antifa.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/t ... r-n1221456
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Re: Being supportive of rioters

Post by Cortopassi » Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:25 pm

Agree and that's why I called them assholes. They are only screwing the neighborhoods they possibly still have to live in. Makes no sense at all.

Also no sense with the cop leaving his knee on Floyd's neck long after he's pleading that he can't breathe. Makes no sense again. I don't know where people go in their minds --- this is being videoed, a human is literally pleading for his life, and you can't see past what you are doing to the destruction you will be causing to your own life and family.

Seriously, that cop, after his actions, basically committed suicide right there. Whether he does it himself or is killed in jail or whatever, he completely threw away his life for lack of moving his leg off the guy's neck. Why?
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Re: Being supportive of rioters

Post by Dieter » Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:35 pm

Peaceful protest. Copz escalating. Attacking the press.

https://7news.com.au/sunrise/on-the-sho ... -c-1073136

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Re: Being supportive of rioters

Post by technovelist » Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:54 pm

Dieter wrote:
Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:24 pm
White natuonalists posing as Antifa.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/t ... r-n1221456
I'm glad Twitter is preventing white nationalists from horning in on Antifa's racket! What has this world come to, that a wonderful organization like Antifa can't organize their own riots without interference?
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Re: Being supportive of rioters

Post by Dieter » Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:00 pm

technovelist wrote:
Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:54 pm
Dieter wrote:
Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:24 pm
White natuonalists posing as Antifa.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/t ... r-n1221456
I'm glad Twitter is preventing white nationalists from horning in on Antifa's racket! What has this world come to, that a wonderful organization like Antifa can't organize their own riots without interference?
Where is your proof Antifa is an organization?

Proff that they have been organizing any of the violence?

What has this got to do with the point that FA organizations are trying to invite violence?

Being anti fascists in and of itself doesn't sound like a bad thing to me.
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Re: Being supportive of rioters

Post by Mark Leavy » Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:15 pm

sophie wrote:
Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:29 am
Hey, I've got a great idea. Build a new city somewhere, safely away from existing communities. On an island, maybe. Mandate that there will be no police, court system, or jails. Let's even be nice and offer people who move there free housing and a small stipend, by way of attraction. In return, they have to agree to strict limitations on travel out of the city.

Wonder what the results of this experiment would be. I bet life there wouldn't be much different from current minority communities, but perhaps the residents would be happier without having to deal with outsiders trying to enforce laws. We certainly would be happier with less crime to worry about. In other words, why not give them what they want - EXACTLY what they want?
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Re: Being supportive of rioters

Post by technovelist » Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:20 pm

Dieter wrote:
Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:00 pm
technovelist wrote:
Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:54 pm
Dieter wrote:
Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:24 pm
White natuonalists posing as Antifa.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/t ... r-n1221456
I'm glad Twitter is preventing white nationalists from horning in on Antifa's racket! What has this world come to, that a wonderful organization like Antifa can't organize their own riots without interference?
Where is your proof Antifa is an organization?

Proff that they have been organizing any of the violence?

What has this got to do with the point that FA organizations are trying to invite violence?

Being anti fascists in and of itself doesn't sound like a bad thing to me.
If you want to join Antifa, their Facebook page is a good place to start: https://www.facebook.com/antifa.usa/
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Re: Being supportive of rioters

Post by moda0306 » Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:42 pm

More important than decrying the behavior of individuals is ultimately what the local, state and federal governments should do...

As a resident very near Mpls, I'd like to see that corrupt police department taken apart like a failed lego project... and while I hate most of the destruction and looting, but hating something isn't a course of action but just an instinct. I love the peaceful protesting, and watching the 3rd Precinct burn was a thing of beauty.

I do agree the National Guard probably needed to be called in... mostly because they're extremely professional, unlike these terrible police departments. If anything, they're to keep the police at bay as much as the destructive wing of the protestors.

The riot police are committing terrible abuse against peaceful protesters around this country in droves. I hope every one of them is fired and arrested for whatever appropriate charges would be filed if a civilian did the same thing.

I generally disagree with bringing in the military, but, once again, think they'd remain far-more professional than these thuggish police forces.


And on a longer-term note, what's most important is reform of these police departments. They're a scourge on our country and should be shattered into a thousand pieces.
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Re: Being supportive of rioters

Post by drumminj » Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:06 pm

Cortopassi wrote:
Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:55 pm
tech, especially, but all,

I grew up in a working class family, dad was a mechanic, mom was a housewife, our grandparents lived with us. My parents were 1st generation immigrants.

My brother and I both graduated college. He is a Dr, I am an engineer. All our kids will have degrees and some with advanced degrees.

We all had an opportunity to go to really good schools, and live in great neighborhoods.

I don't think most of us have any concept of living in neighborhoods like some of the ones where we are seeing the riots. Of going to shitty schools. Of being in fear of gangs. I cannot even imagine it.
My father grew up in a two room house with dirt floors in the rural south (at least this is what I was told - I've not seen it). Assuming that is in fact true, he was able to start there, yet got a college degree and was successful enough to put my brother an I through college so we could do the same (and now we're both financially secure in our own way at mid-life).

Sure, we had opportunity, but it's clear that my grandparents and my father worked to create opportunities for themselves and for us. They weren't born into it. It required work and effort to overcome the circumstances they started in.

Can I relate to the circumstances you describe above? No. But I suspect my father could in many ways, as could his parents, and rather than loot and riot and claim the rest of the world owed them fancy things (well, maybe there's a side of the story I haven't heard :) ) instead they took advantage of the opportunities in our country.

Do you not believe that's an option for folks today? From my perspective, there is plenty of opportunity out there for one to apply themselves and get ahead, work hard and be successful. In fact I'd posit it's easier today, as there are so many ways to succeed that don't require "working your way up the ranks", where one might theoretically encounter negative bias.
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