Abolishing police

Other discussions not related to the Permanent Portfolio

Moderator: Global Moderator

User avatar
technovelist
Executive Member
Executive Member
Posts: 6306
Joined: Wed Sep 15, 2010 11:20 pm

Re: Abolishing police

Post by technovelist » Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:31 am

sophie wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 8:52 am
OH MY GOD!!!! NYC is actually in better shape than Minneapolis

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/minne ... r-BB15amCL

COMPLETELY disbanding. As in no police at all.

Wonder what this will do to gun sales and home security systems. Instead of automatically calling the police, maybe they'd have to trigger a tear gas squirter or something. Or ring up the armed neighborhood patrol that I suppose will become a necessity.
It sure will. And it won't be tasked with enforcing drug laws or gun laws, so it will be much less burdened than the police have been.
Another nod to the most beautiful equation: e + 1 = 0
User avatar
drumminj
Executive Member
Executive Member
Posts: 268
Joined: Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:16 pm

Re: Abolishing police

Post by drumminj » Mon Jun 08, 2020 7:49 pm

technovelist wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:28 am
I expect a much lower crime rate with no police.

Why? Short answer in two phases:
1. Short run: Lots of armed citizens. (Note that armed citizens have a much lower rate of incorrect use of force than police, because they don't have "qualified immunity" to protect them, although in anarchism that wouldn't apply directly.)
2. Longer run: Multiple private security agencies that will provide whatever security services people are willing to pay for.

Longer answer:
Read Chapter 12 of this book: https://cdn.mises.org/For%20a%20New%20L ... esto_3.pdf
I'm curious about the impact of "lack of qualified immunity", specifically since no one's there to arrest you for mis-use of force. If there aren't any repercussions for shooting anyone you feel like it (other than them possibly shooting back), I suspect we're in for a very messy transition period.

Am I missing something?
User avatar
technovelist
Executive Member
Executive Member
Posts: 6306
Joined: Wed Sep 15, 2010 11:20 pm

Re: Abolishing police

Post by technovelist » Mon Jun 08, 2020 8:50 pm

drumminj wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 7:49 pm
technovelist wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:28 am
I expect a much lower crime rate with no police.

Why? Short answer in two phases:
1. Short run: Lots of armed citizens. (Note that armed citizens have a much lower rate of incorrect use of force than police, because they don't have "qualified immunity" to protect them, although in anarchism that wouldn't apply directly.)
2. Longer run: Multiple private security agencies that will provide whatever security services people are willing to pay for.

Longer answer:
Read Chapter 12 of this book: https://cdn.mises.org/For%20a%20New%20L ... esto_3.pdf
I'm curious about the impact of "lack of qualified immunity", specifically since no one's there to arrest you for mis-use of force. If there aren't any repercussions for shooting anyone you feel like it (other than them possibly shooting back), I suspect we're in for a very messy transition period.

Am I missing something?
Have you read that chapter? It's 34 pages and answers that question as well as many others on this topic.
Of course I'll be happy to add my 2 cents if you don't find the answer(s) satisfying.
Another nod to the most beautiful equation: e + 1 = 0
Post Reply