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Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:23 am
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Based on my limited knowledge since I've totally tuned out this pure, absolute, unadulterated horseshit because I'm sick and tired of it, the actual cause of death for George Floyd has not yet been determined exactly.Cortopassi wrote: ↑Mon Jun 08, 2020 8:26 pm Would it have been better on a kneeler in a pew? So what’s the big deal? Were there any republicans doing the same? Is killing a guy by kneeling on his neck for 8 minutes partisan somehow in this screwed up world?
Or at least that's their plan.stuper1 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 08, 2020 8:41 pm The thing is that statistically speaking the police kill more white criminals than they do black criminals, and yet the media only ever tell us about the black criminals that get killed. So, the whole thing is based on a lie. Can anyone imagine why they would tell us this lie? I can . . . the Democrats benefit when we are racially divided. Bingo, that's it. Nevermind that the country suffers when we are divided. All that matters is that the Democrats benefit.
BLM doesn't care about blacks killing blacks, which is several orders of magnitude more common than police killing unarmed blacks. That doesn't advance their agenda of overthrowing Western Civilization.drumminj wrote: ↑Mon Jun 08, 2020 8:44 pm I don't think it's partisan at all..it's just amazing and disappointing to me how now "everyone's got to do it". Like somehow this is the only, and most important issue in the world.
The officers have been arrested and charged. The system is processing it. Great, move on.
Instead, it somehow goes without saying that all white people (and police) are racist. Against blacks, but not anyone else of course! The only oppression in the world is of blacks, and we don't need any data to inform the discussion, it just "is". The police in MN killed him because they're racist.
I've gotten emails from all the VPs in my company about how we all know systemic racism is a problem and we need to address it. When did it become a fact that this is the case and beyond that, we all know it?
Is it a problem? Maybe. Why do we get to skip over that question? If black lives truly matter, why don't we talk about and address black-on-black crime and murder? (go look up how people at LinkedIn who asked about that are labelled as racist). What about the lives of non-blacks killed by police? Do they matter?
IMO (hopefully I don't regret this analogy), the country is giving in to the child throwing a temper tantrum. It's embarrassing.
Are police (and frankly government across the board) out of control? Absolutely. The rule of law is a joke these days. Police are exempted from the laws the supposedly enforce. There's no recourse or accountability. That is absolutely a problem. But it's not a race problem. It's an issue for everyone.
2019 stats, these are just shootings, nothing about any other under the radar stuff like more harassment, 370 white, 235 black shot and killedstuper1 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 08, 2020 8:41 pm The thing is that statistically speaking the police kill more white criminals than they do black criminals, and yet the media only ever tell us about the black criminals that get killed. So, the whole thing is based on a lie. Can anyone imagine why they would tell us this lie? I can . . . the Democrats benefit when we are racially divided. Bingo, that's it. Nevermind that the country suffers when we are divided. All that matters is that the Democrats benefit.
My wife asked me, if Floyd was white, would this have gotten the same coverage? I know the easy answer is no, but the issue with this one in particular, with the video, the more times I see it and the look on the cop's face, with some sort of I don't give a shit that I'm killing this guy, is the linchpin for me and I suspect many, and is just chilling.drumminj wrote: ↑Mon Jun 08, 2020 8:44 pm Are police (and frankly government across the board) out of control? Absolutely. The rule of law is a joke these days. Police are exempted from the laws the supposedly enforce. There's no recourse or accountability. That is absolutely a problem. But it's not a race problem. It's an issue for everyone.
And blacks make up 50+ percent of the US prison population.Cortopassi wrote: ↑Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:17 pm2019 stats, these are just shootings, nothing about any other under the radar stuff like more harassment, 370 white, 235 black shot and killedstuper1 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 08, 2020 8:41 pm The thing is that statistically speaking the police kill more white criminals than they do black criminals, and yet the media only ever tell us about the black criminals that get killed. So, the whole thing is based on a lie. Can anyone imagine why they would tell us this lie? I can . . . the Democrats benefit when we are racially divided. Bingo, that's it. Nevermind that the country suffers when we are divided. All that matters is that the Democrats benefit.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/585 ... e-by-race/
Census, 13.4% pop is black, 76.5% white
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/ ... /IPE120218
Calculate the numbers (if I am doing my math right), blacks are 3.6x more likely to be shot and killed by police than whites.
I will certainly grant you that Chauvin is likely an evil, power-loving cop, like many others of his kind. All I'm saying is that he was just as likely, or probably more likely given the statistics, to do that to a white person as a black person. So, all of this protesting isn't based on facts/statistics/science; it's just based on stupid luck of the draw. Instead of addressing the real problem, which is poor family structure in the black community, we will hear ad nauseam about systemic racism which really isn't there. And why? Because the media sees it as a wedge to divide the country and promote Democrats.Cortopassi wrote: ↑Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:24 pmMy wife asked me, if Floyd was white, would this have gotten the same coverage? I know the easy answer is no, but the issue with this one in particular, with the video, the more times I see it and the look on the cop's face, with some sort of I don't give a shit that I'm killing this guy, is the linchpin for me and I suspect many, and is just chilling.drumminj wrote: ↑Mon Jun 08, 2020 8:44 pm Are police (and frankly government across the board) out of control? Absolutely. The rule of law is a joke these days. Police are exempted from the laws the supposedly enforce. There's no recourse or accountability. That is absolutely a problem. But it's not a race problem. It's an issue for everyone.
I have tried to put myself in his shoes (Chauvin). As I've said, I don't understand it. Just walk away. If he just killed your daughter, fine, you've got a right to be pissed and maybe go that far, but then also add in the fact that none of the other three even made a half assed effort to try and pull him off or get him to stop. Just over the top evil.
That's because most black people aren't criminals or lunatics.dualstow wrote: ↑Tue Jun 09, 2020 6:02 am I guess the title was supposed to be ‘Every Knee Shall Bend...’
I hesitated to post this yesterday, but with a thread that begins with that photo, I cannot resist.
{ washing feet }
if you see dale earnhardt jr, scroll down to the post below that.
↳ https://twitter.com/Scott_Spidle/status ... 40385?s=20
It’s more antiracism as religion, like John McWhorter wrote. Plenty of rituals.
A lot of black people are tweeting that they’re creeped out by it.
I agree on this, but I also have not seen any implementation that has come close to fixing this. Have there been any that anyone knows of? There has to be a democratic or republican leader who's had some level of success somewhere in addressing this? Or are you immediately called a racist if you call out the family structure issues, even if you are black?
Is it true that one of the three was a rookie, it being only his third shift on the job?Cortopassi wrote: ↑Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:24 pmMy wife asked me, if Floyd was white, would this have gotten the same coverage? I know the easy answer is no, but the issue with this one in particular, with the video, the more times I see it and the look on the cop's face, with some sort of I don't give a shit that I'm killing this guy, is the linchpin for me and I suspect many, and is just chilling.drumminj wrote: ↑Mon Jun 08, 2020 8:44 pm Are police (and frankly government across the board) out of control? Absolutely. The rule of law is a joke these days. Police are exempted from the laws the supposedly enforce. There's no recourse or accountability. That is absolutely a problem. But it's not a race problem. It's an issue for everyone.
I have tried to put myself in his shoes (Chauvin). As I've said, I don't understand it. Just walk away. If he just killed your daughter, fine, you've got a right to be pissed and maybe go that far, but then also add in the fact that none of the other three even made a half assed effort to try and pull him off or get him to stop. Just over the top evil.
Oof, that's a tough spot. Going to jail for failing to tell the guy you're supposed to be learning everything from to lay off. Especially when he's saying things like "if you can talk you can breathe".
If you are a conservative black who supports someone else's 1st Amendment rights, you get canceled:Cortopassi wrote: ↑Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:21 amI agree on this, but I also have not seen any implementation that has come close to fixing this. Have there been any that anyone knows of? There has to be a democratic or republican leader who's had some level of success somewhere in addressing this? Or are you immediately called a racist if you call out the family structure issues, even if you are black?
If that happens, you go over his head to his supervisor. "I vas chust following ordersss!" doesn't fly.
Yes, but that statistic is misleading. Since blacks are charged with crimes at more than 3.6x the rate of whites (or Asians or Hispanics), it turns out that per encounter they are LESS likely to be killed by police than those of other races.Cortopassi wrote: ↑Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:17 pm2019 stats, these are just shootings, nothing about any other under the radar stuff like more harassment, 370 white, 235 black shot and killedstuper1 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 08, 2020 8:41 pm The thing is that statistically speaking the police kill more white criminals than they do black criminals, and yet the media only ever tell us about the black criminals that get killed. So, the whole thing is based on a lie. Can anyone imagine why they would tell us this lie? I can . . . the Democrats benefit when we are racially divided. Bingo, that's it. Nevermind that the country suffers when we are divided. All that matters is that the Democrats benefit.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/585 ... e-by-race/
Census, 13.4% pop is black, 76.5% white
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/ ... /IPE120218
Calculate the numbers (if I am doing my math right), blacks are 3.6x more likely to be shot and killed by police than whites.
Plus at some point the guy stopped talking. That is a tough spot to be in, but even if your effort is ineffectual you have to at least say something. One of the three saying "Hey, get off the man's neck!" would have been enough to avert the whole mess.Libertarian666 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 09, 2020 9:14 amIf that happens, you go over his head to his supervisor. "I vas chust following ordersss!" doesn't fly.