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Re: Jordan Peterson's Influence On My Life

Post by technovelist » Sun Jul 05, 2020 12:05 pm

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I don't think there's any greater way to say "you matter; you can do things" than to say that it is your duty to protect and defend the women and children in your life, even to the point of your own death.
That's an interesting way of looking at it, Xan, but it's implicit in that line of thinking that mens' lives are more expendable, and women and children are more worthy of saving.

That doesn't mean it's not honorable to give your life to save others. But to say that I matter because I can choose to drown instead of someone else doesn't sound very empowering to me (other than indicating I have control over what to do with my life and when/whether to give it, which at least indicates I have free will!)
Women are more worthy than men if you value continuation of the species. It takes only one man if you want a thousand babies but it takes hundreds of women. ;)

Secondly, you really think you have free will? ;D
1. Women who bear children are more worthy than men in that regard.
That leaves out almost all modern feminists.
2. You just had to say that, didn't you?
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Re: Jordan Peterson's Influence On My Life

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Mountaineer wrote:
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Women are more worthy than men if you value continuation of the species. It takes only one man if you want a thousand babies but it takes hundreds of women. ;)

Secondly, you really think you have free will? ;D
From a procreation point of view, I don't disagree with your first comment. But clearly society doesn't currently prioritize based on that criteria -- there are all kinds of things we prefer/promote/value that are at odds with continuation of the species as animals -- monogamy, for example. I think it's fair to assume we're discussing this in the context of our current society/culture?

I don't want to debate whether we have free will or not regardless, but I actually mis-spoke and intended more that I'd have some sense of individual freedom, as I'd have agency over what to do with my own life.
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Re: Jordan Peterson's Influence On My Life

Post by Smith1776 » Sun Jul 05, 2020 1:37 pm

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You know, Smithers, I think you have your head on pretty straight. Jordan Peterson seems like a decent and smart man. I don't get too much out of him, (other than admiring his outstanding communication skills) but probably because I am already old and I already pretty much agree with him.

From what I can tell from your postings, Mr Adam Smith 1776 sir, any young man or woman would be happy to have you as a father. Keep reading Jordan's stuff. Keep reading other great literature. I know you do. And keep thinking deeply about life. You and yours will do well.

I wish you great success in finding a gal that shares your values. Just don't lose your damn driver's license again :)

I look forward to the world that you and your family create.

Mark
Wow, thank you for the kind and uplifting words. I really don't know what to say.

Well, except that I will reiterate what I've posted a few times before. When I get married, the regular posters of the forum will definitely be invited!

Thank you for being such a great Internet friend! I always value your wise input and counsel.
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Re: Jordan Peterson's Influence On My Life

Post by Smith1776 » Sun Jul 05, 2020 1:53 pm

I have read through 12 Rules for Life once before, but I think I will make my way through it again starting this week. Like you guys have been discussing, for young men Jordan Peterson is like a father figure that they perhaps never had. One of the big keys to me was how constructive his advice was rather than nagging. Honestly, reading/listening to some of his stuff made me choke up a little at a few points as I definitely got the father vibe.

"Stand up straight with your shoulders back. Speak your truth. Pick up your suffering and bear it. Do your best to live forthrightly in the world!"

His discussions with Joe Rogan on the JRE podcast are absolutely amazing.

https://youtu.be/04wyGK6k6HE

https://youtu.be/vIeFt88Hm8s

https://youtu.be/USg3NR76XpQ

https://youtu.be/9Xc7DN-noAc

https://youtu.be/6T7pUEZfgdI

His latest one which is my favourite one by FAR: https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ
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Re: Jordan Peterson's Influence On My Life

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His latest one which is my favourite one by FAR: https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ
Absolute classic.
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Re: Jordan Peterson's Influence On My Life

Post by Smith1776 » Mon Jul 06, 2020 1:03 am

Tortoise wrote:
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His latest one which is my favourite one by FAR: https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ
Absolute classic.
Agreed. He really took it to the next level in that interview. Never giving up is a simple yet powerful virtue.
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Re: Jordan Peterson's Influence On My Life

Post by dualstow » Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:50 am

I’m glad you like ‘12 Rules’, Smith. I got the hardcover when it came out, was all excited about it, posted about it here, and got only negative feedback. Not “this guy sucks” but more “not impressed” and a sprinkling of, “he’s a plagiarist.” He almost certainly does borrow from smarter, more original thinkers and he doesn’t get everything right, but I just found the book very digestible, and I wish I had read something like it at your age.
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Re: Jordan Peterson's Influence On My Life

Post by Smith1776 » Mon Jul 06, 2020 7:26 am

Mr. Peterson is my workout partner this morning! O0

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Re: Jordan Peterson's Influence On My Life

Post by Smith1776 » Mon Jul 06, 2020 9:37 am

dualstow wrote:
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I’m glad you like ‘12 Rules’, Smith. I got the hardcover when it came out, was all excited about it, posted about it here, and got only negative feedback. Not “this guy sucks” but more “not impressed” and a sprinkling of, “he’s a plagiarist.” He almost certainly does borrow from smarter, more original thinkers and he doesn’t get everything right, but I just found the book very digestible, and I wish I had read something like it at your age.
Really? Even here? I find that rather surprising. I would have thought this crowd would be quite taken with his work.

In terms of popular opinion these days I really don't understand why he gets as much flak as he does. As for him being a "plagiarist" I personally see his work as just being well sourced and backed up.

I, too, find his work very practical and implementable. That's more important to me than a bunch of highfalutin jibber jabber. The one thing I admire about him most is his willingness to publicly stand up against the wave of political correctness espoused by the left.

"There's 40 genders so far and more are coming!!!! GET READY."

"Ummmm. No. And here's why."

Love it.
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Re: Jordan Peterson's Influence On My Life

Post by Xan » Mon Jul 06, 2020 9:52 am

This interview was my first introduction to him:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMcjxSThD54
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Re: Jordan Peterson's Influence On My Life

Post by Xan » Mon Jul 06, 2020 9:14 pm

drumminj wrote:
Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:15 am
Xan wrote:
Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:59 am
I don't think there's any greater way to say "you matter; you can do things" than to say that it is your duty to protect and defend the women and children in your life, even to the point of your own death.
That's an interesting way of looking at it, Xan, but it's implicit in that line of thinking that mens' lives are more expendable, and women and children are more worthy of saving.

That doesn't mean it's not honorable to give your life to save others. But to say that I matter because I can choose to drown instead of someone else doesn't sound very empowering to me (other than indicating I have control over what to do with my life and when/whether to give it, which at least indicates I have free will!)
I disagree with the assumption that the person who gives up his life for another is less valued. I think it's quite the opposite. Look at Christ, for example.
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Re: Jordan Peterson's Influence On My Life

Post by drumminj » Mon Jul 06, 2020 9:35 pm

Xan wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 9:14 pm
I disagree with the assumption that the person who gives up his life for another is less valued. I think it's quite the opposite. Look at Christ, for example.
Wouldn't it be more accurate to say their death is valued rather than their life?
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