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Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan

Post by jswinner » Tue May 11, 2021 7:51 pm

murphy_p_t wrote:
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Okay, so now the FDA is permitting the injection for a population which is unaffected by the China flu... 12 to 15 year olds.

A solution in search of a problem.

Is there anything which, for the enthusiasts of the regime, which may cause you to question the motives of your overlords?
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Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan

Post by murphy_p_t » Tue May 11, 2021 8:19 pm

Is this based on symptomatic cases, or a meaningless PCR test? Thank you
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Post by jswinner » Wed May 12, 2021 9:39 am

murphy_p_t wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 8:19 pm
Is this based on symptomatic cases, or a meaningless PCR test? Thank you
The CDC case reporting form provides number of case classification and identification categories. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... i-form.pdf.

Hey lets take a deep dive into the data.....Haha, we know that regardless of what data is available or posted, your beliefs will not be swayed or altered. But there have been over 2.9 million cases reported in age group 0-17 along with over 22,000 hospitalizations.
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Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan

Post by murphy_p_t » Wed May 12, 2021 6:48 pm

22,000 hospitalizations is a meaningful number.

Most unlike an arbitrary PCR count, used for pure propaganda purposes.
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Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan

Post by murphy_p_t » Wed May 12, 2021 6:49 pm

Last I checked, asymptomatic spread is a fairy tale.
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Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan

Post by murphy_p_t » Wed May 12, 2021 9:38 pm

Cortopassi wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 7:13 pm
I should have been clearer.

The implication I get from SD and Murphy is that the government has instituted controls it never intends to relinquish.

Yes, I understand, and agree last year sucked with so much being closed.

But it is all opening again. The government is allowing things to get back to normal, with no obvious control intended to be left in place, in my opinion.

So, what did the elite and politicians gain? Power trip for a bit? Some sort of overlord control I'm not seeing?
The white Russians didn't see it either, until it was too late, after the Bolshevik Revolution.

Alexander Solzhenitsyn spoke of this.
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Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan

Post by SomeDude » Thu May 13, 2021 8:27 am

murphy_p_t wrote:
Wed May 12, 2021 9:38 pm
Cortopassi wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 7:13 pm
I should have been clearer.

The implication I get from SD and Murphy is that the government has instituted controls it never intends to relinquish.

Yes, I understand, and agree last year sucked with so much being closed.

But it is all opening again. The government is allowing things to get back to normal, with no obvious control intended to be left in place, in my opinion.

So, what did the elite and politicians gain? Power trip for a bit? Some sort of overlord control I'm not seeing?
The white Russians didn't see it either, until it was too late, after the Bolshevik Revolution.

Alexander Solzhenitsyn spoke of this.
"The bully threatened me, so i gave him my lunch money to leave me alone. The next day he didn't threaten me. So what did he really gain? Just my lunch money ONE TIME as far as I can see and now we're cool"

This Cortopassi's thinking. I hope no one else here has this gargantuan level of Stockholm syndrome. This is a level I've never heard enunciated before.
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Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan

Post by Cortopassi » Thu May 13, 2021 8:57 am

You seem to conveniently forget there was/is a pandemic, and there were lots of deaths.

From your view, this was all bullshit all along which is just 100% wrong. Like early 2020 never ever happened. Like there weren't thousands and thousands dying in NY, China and Italy.

Nope. Your view: I don't know anyone who is sick, must be BS.
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Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan

Post by murphy_p_t » Thu May 13, 2021 11:00 am

SomeDude wrote:
Thu May 13, 2021 8:27 am
murphy_p_t wrote:
Wed May 12, 2021 9:38 pm
Cortopassi wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 7:13 pm
I should have been clearer.

The implication I get from SD and Murphy is that the government has instituted controls it never intends to relinquish.

Yes, I understand, and agree last year sucked with so much being closed.

But it is all opening again. The government is allowing things to get back to normal, with no obvious control intended to be left in place, in my opinion.

So, what did the elite and politicians gain? Power trip for a bit? Some sort of overlord control I'm not seeing?
The white Russians didn't see it either, until it was too late, after the Bolshevik Revolution.

Alexander Solzhenitsyn spoke of this.
"The bully threatened me, so i gave him my lunch money to leave me alone. The next day he didn't threaten me. So what did he really gain? Just my lunch money ONE TIME as far as I can see and now we're cool"

This Cortopassi's thinking. I hope no one else here has this gargantuan level of Stockholm syndrome. This is a level I've never heard enunciated before.
I couldn't express it better myself
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Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan

Post by Xan » Thu May 13, 2021 11:21 am

Murphy, SomeDude, I largely agree with you guys on just about everything, I think. But you are so extreme on this one issue that it drives me want to take up the opposite side.

What about World War II? There was the first peacetime draft registration, mobilization of the economy meant just about complete federal control of the economy, rationing controlled what people could buy and eat. It was 100x worse than Covid in many ways.

Was it Stockholm syndrome for people to join the military and fight? Or was it everybody doing what they could best do to deal with an emergency?

There's plenty of room to debate what the correct Covid response was, but Corto has quite a reasonable perspective: there was a massive threat, the details of which were unknown, particularly in March when this all started. The threat having largely passed, or close to it, things are getting back to normal.

Haranguing him for not being as violently angry and, with regards to the vaccine, as willfully blind as closed-minded as you are is not going to convince people to see your point of view. Quite the opposite.
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Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan

Post by pp4me » Thu May 13, 2021 12:21 pm

Sounds like a pretty significant study to me.....

https://www.axios.com/study-hospitalize ... 00a15.html
The Cleveland Clinic on Tuesday released a study showing that 99.75% of patients hospitalized with COVID-19 between Jan. 1 and April 13 were not fully vaccinated, according to data provided to Axios.

Why it matters: Real-world evidence continues to show coronavirus vaccines are effective at keeping people from dying and out of hospitals. The Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines have been found to be 95% and 94% effective, respectively, at preventing symptomatic infections.

Details: The study also looked at 47,000 Cleveland Clinic employees who had received one shot, both shots or no shots at all.

The Cleveland Clinic found that 99.7% of its employees who were infected with the coronavirus were not vaccinated, and 0.3% of infections occurred in those who were fully vaccinated.
The study found that in this group, mRNA vaccines were more than 96% effective in protecting against coronavirus infections.
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Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan

Post by stuper1 » Thu May 13, 2021 2:22 pm

Xan wrote:
Thu May 13, 2021 11:21 am
Murphy, SomeDude, I largely agree with you guys on just about everything, I think. But you are so extreme on this one issue that it drives me want to take up the opposite side.

What about World War II? There was the first peacetime draft registration, mobilization of the economy meant just about complete federal control of the economy, rationing controlled what people could buy and eat. It was 100x worse than Covid in many ways.

Was it Stockholm syndrome for people to join the military and fight? Or was it everybody doing what they could best do to deal with an emergency?

There's plenty of room to debate what the correct Covid response was, but Corto has quite a reasonable perspective: there was a massive threat, the details of which were unknown, particularly in March when this all started. The threat having largely passed, or close to it, things are getting back to normal.

Haranguing him for not being as violently angry and, with regards to the vaccine, as willfully blind as closed-minded as you are is not going to convince people to see your point of view. Quite the opposite.
Any analogy based on World War II is problematic. World War II would never have happened if America had just stayed out of World War I like it should have. There would have been no Hitler to fight. I could completely see an American in 1941 considering it Stockholm Syndrome to fight for an America that made the huge mistake of entering World War I.
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Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan

Post by murphy_p_t » Thu May 13, 2021 2:23 pm

Xan... Was there a massive threat?

Or was there a new virus (likely financed by that little turd) which was levered up to scare people into thinking there was a massive threat? If there was a massive threat, then why was/ it necessary for de-platforming of any skeptic of the company line? Why the non-stop drum beat of fear-porn? why do they suggest it is okay to fornicate with perfect strangers, so long as you wear a face diaper?

Does lil fauci have a financial interest in all this orchestrated panic?

Is the little frauducci a self-important lying sack of s***? http://dad29.blogspot.com/2021/05/fauci ... demic.html

This is an extremely abbreviated indictment against the shower of bullshit since early 2020.

How much lying, self-dealing, destruction of the western world and fraud should I endure, while holding my peace?
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Post by glennds » Thu May 13, 2021 2:48 pm

murphy_p_t wrote:
Thu May 13, 2021 2:23 pm
Xan... Was there a massive threat?

Or was there a new virus (likely financed by that little turd) which was levered up to scare people into thinking there was a massive threat? If there was a massive threat, then why was/ it necessary for de-platforming of any skeptic of the company line? Why the non-stop drum beat of fear-porn? why do they suggest it is okay to fornicate with perfect strangers, so long as you wear a face diaper?

Does lil fauci have a financial interest in all this orchestrated panic?

Is the little frauducci a self-important lying sack of s***? http://dad29.blogspot.com/2021/05/fauci ... demic.html

This is an extremely abbreviated indictment against the shower of bullshit since early 2020.

How much lying, self-dealing, destruction of the western world and fraud should I endure, while holding my peace?
Just for my edification - was the 1918 flu pandemic a fraud also?
What about the 1957-1958 Asian flu pandemic? Was that one a fraud?

Or are we saying those pandemics were real but Covid-19 is the only fraud?

Incidentally no vaccine was ever developed for 1918, and it took three years and multiple waves for the virus to die out, of course at enormous cost of life.

In 1957, medical history says a heroic American microbiologist named Dr. Maurice Hilleman from Walter Reed Medical Center was instrumental in developing the vaccine that is credited with ultimately containing the flu pandemic. He developed over 40 vaccines in his career. One example that is commonly known and still in use today is the Mumps component of the trivalent MMR vaccine. His team also developed the first Hepatitis B vaccine. Remarkably accomplished person. Too much information?
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Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan

Post by glennds » Thu May 13, 2021 3:41 pm

stuper1 wrote:
Thu May 13, 2021 2:22 pm

Any analogy based on World War II is problematic. World War II would never have happened if America had just stayed out of World War I like it should have. There would have been no Hitler to fight. I could completely see an American in 1941 considering it Stockholm Syndrome to fight for an America that made the huge mistake of entering World War I.
Are you saying you think the US should have stood by and done nothing when Germany declared the waters surrounding the UK to be a war zone, and then proceeded to sink the Lusitania which carried American passengers?
And still done nothing when Germany proceeded to sink four more US merchant ships the following month?

How do you feel WWI would have ended had the US stayed out of it? And why do you feel that outcome would have been a good one for the US and the rest of the world?

Not arguing with you, just trying desperately to understand your thought process.
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Post by Xan » Thu May 13, 2021 4:02 pm

Murphy, does this mean that you are suffering from Stockholm syndrome? Just days ago you held up our performance in WWII as an example of the government doing something well.
murphy_p_t wrote:
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Or, how the government can simultaneously be incapable of carrying out even the simplest tasks that the private sector can always do in a superior fashion but be capable of behaving with unparalleled efficiency and effectiveness when acting in a secretive, conspiratorial manner.
Cool.

Republican talking point.

How does it square up with the USA mobilizing to defeat the third Reich?


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Not arguing with you, just trying desperately to understand your thought process.
There isn't a thought process other than to double down on everything, never to admit that anyone else has the remotest decent point, to castigate anybody who disagrees, and to do whatever it takes to score points in the short term. It's wearing thin.

Re the Lusitania, my understanding is that there actually was a shipment of armaments aboard.
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Post by glennds » Thu May 13, 2021 4:37 pm

Xan wrote:
Thu May 13, 2021 4:02 pm


Re the Lusitania, my understanding is that there actually was a shipment of armaments aboard.

This is true. There were rifle armaments aboard the Lusitania, and the Germans ultimately pointed to this fact as justification for sinking it notwithstanding the fact that there were over 1,000 civilian passengers on board. It was, after all, a luxury ship.
The issue was further complicated by the fact that the British Admiralty had warned the Lusitania that the waters were dangerous, and even advised the captain on performing a zig zag maneuver in order to thwart the U boats from establishing an accurate torpedo path, but the captain did not listen.

My broader question to Stuper1 was why the US staying out of WWI would have resulted in a different (better) outcome and would have prevented WWII. Unless the thinking is that the Germans would have won, taken over Austria-Hungary, controlled Europe and eventually the world already hence there would be no need for WWII and we'd all be speaking German.
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Post by stuper1 » Thu May 13, 2021 5:13 pm

I'm not a war historian by any means, but if I recall correctly, the two sides in WW1 were basically at a stalemate until the U.S. got involved. Without the U.S. intrusion, I assume they would have kept fighting for a while and then got tired of it and negotiated some kind of reasonable peace deal, rather than the one-sided deal that actually got passed that treated Germany like dirt and eventually resulted in Hitler coming to power.

As I recall there's a very large body of water between the U.S. and Europe. I don't think we were in any danger of being attacked. We should have just minded our own business in what was basically a civil war between like-minded peoples.
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Post by murphy_p_t » Thu May 13, 2021 5:49 pm

Xan wrote:
Thu May 13, 2021 4:02 pm
Murphy, does this mean that you are suffering from Stockholm syndrome? Just days ago you held up our performance in WWII as an example of the government doing something well.
murphy_p_t wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 7:44 pm
vnatale wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 7:12 pm
Or, how the government can simultaneously be incapable of carrying out even the simplest tasks that the private sector can always do in a superior fashion but be capable of behaving with unparalleled efficiency and effectiveness when acting in a secretive, conspiratorial manner.
Cool.

Republican talking point.

How does it square up with the USA mobilizing to defeat the third Reich?


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Thu May 13, 2021 3:41 pm
Not arguing with you, just trying desperately to understand your thought process.
There isn't a thought process other than to double down on everything, never to admit that anyone else has the remotest decent point, to castigate anybody who disagrees, and to do whatever it takes to score points in the short term. It's wearing thin.

Re the Lusitania, my understanding is that there actually was a shipment of armaments aboard.
No, I'm not suffering Stockholm syndrome.

I was simply addressing the point of government capability to perform a task.

You beat me to the point of the Lusitania attempting to run munitions to Europe.

World war II is a very problematic example if one is trying to show Stockholm syndrom, in my opinion. I don't think it was obvious to the average American in 1941 that FDR was conspiring to involve the USA in war. Remember, Stockholm syndrome is about victims knowing who their torturers are.

Regarding acknowledging others decent points... One that immediately comes to mind is being pointed out the claim that 22,000 you have been hospitalized, in response to my claim that youth are totally unaffected by Wuhan. (Although I've done those due diligence on that 22,000 figure.)
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Post by murphy_p_t » Thu May 13, 2021 6:13 pm

"Or are we saying those pandemics were real but Covid-19 is the only fraud?"

As far as I know, yes.

As far as I know, covid is the only one blown way out of proportion, supported by non-stop propaganda, and even likely financed by deleting cheerleader of the fear porn, tony fauci.

To clarify.... The China virus is real... People have died from it... however, The response by Western governments has been used for totalitarian purposes, without any proportion to the threat. This is my overarching position as regards to claims of fraud.
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Post by Tortoise » Thu May 13, 2021 6:24 pm

Yet another example of why RT-PCR Covid tests are almost meaningless with the high Ct thresholds they currently use.

A positive RT-PCR Covid test does not necessarily mean the person has live virus in their system. It sometimes means there were just some old viral fragments floating around in their system, and in those cases the person is neither infected nor contagious.

Seriously, these high-threshold RT-PCR Covid tests need to stop. Now. They only tell you something meaningful when the result is negative.
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Post by murphy_p_t » Thu May 13, 2021 6:32 pm

X 1000

Surely the promoters of this test are cognizant of what you state.

Which begs the question... What is their motive? If not to incite panic and fear
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Post by glennds » Thu May 13, 2021 7:28 pm

stuper1 wrote:
Thu May 13, 2021 5:13 pm
I'm not a war historian by any means, but if I recall correctly, the two sides in WW1 were basically at a stalemate until the U.S. got involved. Without the U.S. intrusion, I assume they would have kept fighting for a while and then got tired of it and negotiated some kind of reasonable peace deal, rather than the one-sided deal that actually got passed that treated Germany like dirt and eventually resulted in Hitler coming to power.

As I recall there's a very large body of water between the U.S. and Europe. I don't think we were in any danger of being attacked. We should have just minded our own business in what was basically a civil war between like-minded peoples.
stuper1 - Very interesting.
I don't think I agree with you, but you are not alone in your thinking. Here is a very good article from history.com which is broken up into two parts, the first being the argument in favor of the US decision to enter WWI and the second being the argument against, which is mostly consistent with your view. If you haven't already read it, I think you'll like it: https://www.history.com/news/history-fa ... orld-war-i

With that, I'll leave this rabbit trail for fear of sidetracking us from the main thread which is not about WWI but about the nefarious or not aspects of "the Wuhan".
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Post by stuper1 » Thu May 13, 2021 7:58 pm

The connection between the Wuhan and WW1 is basically "follow the money". Big business wanted the US to join WW1 so they could make money off of it. Read "War Is a Racket" by major general Smedley Butler. Big business wants the Wuhan blown out of proportion so they can make money off it.
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Post by vnatale » Thu May 13, 2021 10:22 pm



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Brian Cashman Stresses ‘The Vaccine is Working’ Amid Yankees’ Outbreak

Cashman, speaking after Torres’ positive test was announced, echoed similar confidence in the COVID-19 vaccines, noting that the infected Yankees were better off being inoculated.

“When you read the fine print, they tell you that you still could get the COVID and the vaccine is to protect you from the symptoms,” he said, also noting Nevin’s quick recovery. “It’s not full protection… The one thing I take from this is I believe the vaccine is working. We’ve got eight positives, and seven of the eight presented as without symptoms, so without testing you wouldn’t have even known.”


Cashman went on to call the Yankees “a case study to some degree.” The good news is that all those who are infected now feel fine and that the Yankees had not received any additional positive tests Thursday at the time of Cashman’s Zoom call. Those who tested positive will remain quarantined in Tampa, where the Yankees are finishing a series against the Rays on Thursday night.

Cashman said that will be a boring experience, but those in isolation will at least be able to order room service, watch the team and catch up on TV shows. The “thankful” general manager stressed that it could have been a lot worse.

“Unfortunately, I have eight people quarantined, but they feel good… That will be mentally draining,” Cashman said of quarantine, “but that is far less than the other consequences if they weren’t vaccinated, which gave them more protection. So my message is… Get vaccinated, because it will save you and protect you from a lot more than what you think.”
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