Gyroscopic Investing

murphy_p_t wrote: ↑Tue Nov 02, 2021 8:01 am

Benko wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 5:01 pm

Maddy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:46 am Frankly, I think we have a whole lot more to fear from the abandonment of these protections than we ever did from the coronavirus.

Hypothesis: most of this has nothing to do with medicine, this is just part of the larger picture, and history suggests there is room for considerable concern.

If it were about medicine, Ivermectin would be much more widely available. (Like in india, africa, Mexico, etc) Vitamin D would be encouraged as a standard regimen. There would not be a move to inject children, for whom the corona-cold is a microscopic risk.

flyingpylon wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:34 am

WiseOne wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:13 am

flyingpylon wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 4:37 pm Dr. Ruben on the FDA panel: "We're never gonna learn about how safe the vaccine is until we start giving it. That's the way it goes."

Seems legit.

Was that intended to be sarcastic?

Yes, sorry for not including a sarcasm emoji.

Tortoise wrote: ↑Tue Nov 02, 2021 7:55 pm Sorry guys, I'm going to have to side with Dr. Ruben on this one.

As Alec Baldwin showed us recently, we’re never gonna know if a gun is loaded until we squeeze the trigger. That’s just the way it goes.

dualstow wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 2:46 pm

Tortoise wrote: ↑Tue Nov 02, 2021 7:55 pm Sorry guys, I'm going to have to side with Dr. Ruben on this one.

As Alec Baldwin showed us recently, we’re never gonna know if a gun is loaded until we squeeze the trigger. That’s just the way it goes.

Ooh, harsh
Or know what’s in the bill until it’s passed?

Tortoise wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 4:00 pm

dualstow wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 2:46 pm

Tortoise wrote: ↑Tue Nov 02, 2021 7:55 pm Sorry guys, I'm going to have to side with Dr. Ruben on this one.

As Alec Baldwin showed us recently, we’re never gonna know if a gun is loaded until we squeeze the trigger. That’s just the way it goes.

Ooh, harsh
Or know what’s in the bill until it’s passed?

Yeah, the Pelosi joke would have been even better, but alas, Mountaineer made it first.

dualstow wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 5:19 pm

Tortoise wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 4:00 pm

dualstow wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 2:46 pm

Tortoise wrote: ↑Tue Nov 02, 2021 7:55 pm Sorry guys, I'm going to have to side with Dr. Ruben on this one.

As Alec Baldwin showed us recently, we’re never gonna know if a gun is loaded until we squeeze the trigger. That’s just the way it goes.

Ooh, harsh
Or know what’s in the bill until it’s passed?

Yeah, the Pelosi joke would have been even better, but alas, Mountaineer made it first.

Darn, I’m no better than the Bogleheads who keep making the same jokes because they don’t bother to read the thread. Mountaineer, I owe you a fiver.

Mountaineer wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 5:47 pm 5 Bottles of Macallen 12 or 18 or Glenfiddich will suffice.

dualstow wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 6:35 pm

Mountaineer wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 5:47 pm 5 Bottles of Macallen 12 or 18 or Glenfiddich will suffice.

Bill Maher said Glen Youngkin sounds like Scotch you’d buy at CostCo

WiseOne wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:18 am

Xan wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:16 am Both of your suggestions, WiseOne, do involve giving people the vaccine in order to find out whether or not it's safe.

OK let me spell it out for the logistically challenged.

Once the emergency approvals for the vaccines were issued and the push to vaccinate the entire US population began, the long accepted safety standards went out the window. i.e. it was no longer possible to fully test the vaccines' safety and efficacy in accordance with long accepted practices. Those practices were put into place after the thalidomide disaster in particular, but also after careful consideration over a long period of time. Throwing them out the window is not something that should be done lightly.

Given the above, the only alternative was to monitor for adverse events after the fact. If you have any better ideas on how to do this, I'm all ears. Or, if you wish to make the case that it is not necessary to monitor for adverse events, do tell.

I personally would have preferred an approach of offering the vaccine to people at high risk for COVID complications but not to healthy individuals until clinical trials could be completed and/or a careful monitoring system put into place. But as I indicated above, and as anyone not living under a rock for the past year undoubtedly is aware, that ship sailed a long time ago.

What I am NOT happy about is giving people the vaccine (and especially mandating it) with no systematic effort to monitor for adverse events, and a policy of only responding to things that come to light purely by accident.

pp4me wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:04 pm Ron Destantis is signing an anti-vaxx mandate bill today in Brandon, Florida.

jalanlong wrote: ↑Fri Nov 19, 2021 11:28 am

pp4me wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:04 pm Ron Destantis is signing an anti-vaxx mandate bill today in Brandon, Florida.

That seems to be more symbolic than anything else right? Biden's people claim that OSHA overrides any state rules as far as workplace safety. So if using OSHA to force vaccines goes thru then the state law would not matter.

I do enjoy the Brandon bit though.

Xan wrote: ↑Fri Nov 19, 2021 11:54 am

jalanlong wrote: ↑Fri Nov 19, 2021 11:28 am

pp4me wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:04 pm Ron Destantis is signing an anti-vaxx mandate bill today in Brandon, Florida.

That seems to be more symbolic than anything else right? Biden's people claim that OSHA overrides any state rules as far as workplace safety. So if using OSHA to force vaccines goes thru then the state law would not matter.

I do enjoy the Brandon bit though.

It might depend on whether the legal status of nullification gets a revival. Back in the day states passed laws that federal agents attempting to enforce a tariff would be hanged without benefit of clergy. De Santis is tame by comparison!

MangoMan wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:27 pm

pp4me wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:12 pm

I'm hoping Trump doesn't run so De Santis can get the nomination.

It's not that I don't like Trump but he comes with too much baggage at this point and if he gets elected he'll be a lame duck president before he even gets started.

I think 8 years of DeSantis would be just what the country needs right now.

I agree with all 3 of those statements. I just hope Trump can see past his narcissism long enough to realize that is what is best for the party and the country.

MangoMan wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:27 pm

pp4me wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:12 pm

I'm hoping Trump doesn't run so De Santis can get the nomination.

It's not that I don't like Trump but he comes with too much baggage at this point and if he gets elected he'll be a lame duck president before he even gets started.

I think 8 years of DeSantis would be just what the country needs right now.

I agree with all 3 of those statements. I just hope Trump can see past his narcissism long enough to realize that is what is best for the party and the country.

pp4me wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:12 pm I think 8 years of DeSantis would be just what the country needs right now.

pp4me wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 3:42 pm


On the other hand if Trump wins the nomination he could make DeSantis his running mate and put him in charge of the border like Biden has done with Kamala. Would be an increasing contrast, would it not? So 4 years of Trump, followed by 8 of DeSantis doesn't sound so bad either.

Only problem with that is DeSantis wouldn't be a "historic" vice president like Kamala since he's white. Or is he? What is the ethnicity of the name DeSantis any way? Has to be something historic about it if you look hard enough.