MangoMan wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 6:49 am
vnatale wrote: ↑Fri May 20, 2022 10:27 pm
Reducing gun violence does not necessarily mean taking away gun ownership rights. As usual when I have Washington Journal on I'm doing one, two, or three other things also so I'm only hearing bits and pieces of it. But the two things that stuck out regarding guns was that when someone brought up what had been done in Australia (total ban of guns?) he said he did not think that was possible here. The other was him saying that while things like the recent Buffalo shootings get all the attention
those type of shootings are a tiny percentage of the overall deaths by guns and any other violence from guns. Therefore efforts should be focused on reducing death by guns and other violence from guns other than those that occur from mass shootings.
The racism part I'm not remembering as much. He did say that there are some politicians who cause reactions in people which results in them to vote against their own interests, such as Obamacare much to the detriment of their own lives.
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The vast majority of gun deaths in the US are the result of black on black crime in large cities. But no one is allowed to talk about that.
"But white Americans dominate death-per-suicide-attempt categories for one main reason: they remain dramatically overrepresented in civilian death data about firearm suicides. According to the most frequently used database of morbidity and mortality in the United States—the Web-based Injury Statistics Query and Reporting System (WISQARS)—gun suicides between 2009 and 2015 looked like this:
• 2009: Non-Hispanic white gun suicides = 16,351; total gun suicides = 17,172
• 2010: Non-Hispanic white gun suicides = 16,928; total gun suicides = 18,365
• 2011: Non-Hispanic white gun suicides = 17,536; total gun suicides = 18,984
• 2012: Non-Hispanic white gun suicides = 18,022; total gun suicides = 19,572
• 2013: Non-Hispanic white gun suicides = 18,561; total gun suicides = 20,087
• 2014: Non-Hispanic white gun suicides = 18,619; total gun suicides = 20,152
• 2015: Non-Hispanic white gun suicides = 19,161; total gun suicides = 20,779
(As defined by the Census Bureau, Non-Hispanic whites are people in the United States who are considered racially white and are not of Hispanic or Latino origin/ethnicity.)
Put another way, 92 percent of gun suicides in the United States were committed by non-Hispanic white persons. These percentages were dramatically higher than those seen in other “race” groups in the census database—such as gun suicides committed by persons categorized as black, Asian, or Native Americas. Put into graph form, the numbers by race appeared as follows:
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Of course someone might think, Doesn’t this data simply reflect how the majority of people in the United States self-identify as white? While this statement is true, these shocking trends held even when the numbers were sifted through what statisticians call age-adjusted and crude rate calculations, which balance out the numbers of suicides in relation to total populations. It’s also important to consider that the percentage of non-Hispanic whites in the United States declined over the latter twentieth and early twenty-first centuries. Non-Hispanic white persons comprised 80 percent of the US population in 1980 but only 69 percent of the population in 2000. According to the US census, the percentage of non-Hispanic white people in the United States hit an all-time low of 62 percent in 2013 and kept falling every year after that. And yet over this same time period, 2009–2015, white populations consistently committed 92 percent of all gun suicides.23"
"From 2009 to 2015, non-Hispanic white men accounted for nearly 80 percent of all gun suicides in the United States, despite representing less than 35 percent of the total population.24"
"Similarly, a 2015 Brookings Institution report relied on data from the National Center for Injury Prevention and Control (NCIPC) database to show a remarkable segregation whereby the vast majority (77 percent) of white gun deaths were suicides, while “less than one in five (19 percent) is a homicide.” These figures were nearly opposite in black populations, where “only 14 percent of gun deaths are suicides but 82 percent are homicides.” Broadly put, a white person in the United States is five times as likely to die by suicide using a gun as to be shot with a gun; for each African American who uses a gun to commit suicide, five are killed by other people with guns.27"
"Public discourse about gun death instead focuses on violence toward others and homicides and relies more on racial and media stereotypes and anxieties about black criminals than on-the-ground realities. A widely cited opinion study published in the journal PLOS ONE found that “attitudes towards guns in many US whites appear to be influenced… by illogical racial biases” related to the “fear of black violence and crime.” Meanwhile, as the Pew report put it, the dramatic drop in gun homicide rates was not just invisible—most Americans believed the opposite to be true:"