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Re: The Permanent Tooth and Gum Care Regime

Post by vnatale » Wed Dec 09, 2020 7:48 pm

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Brush 3x/day. Change brush every 2 months. Run thru dishwasher every 2 weeks.
Floss at bedtime.
Use listerine before each brushing and/or flossing. It will not discolor your teeth. Chlorhexidine rinse will, but that is by Rx only.
Night guard is a good idea if ANY signs of grinding or clenching. Damage is slow and progressive.
Time between professional cleaning varies by patient. I have some that could come once a year or maybe less and be fine. I have others that should probably come every 2 months but don't.
Not sure why your guy would continue to practice at 73 unless he is bad with money or hates his wife and is trying to avoid her.
Holistic dentistry is a crock/scam in my opinion, YMMV.

Not sure what I will do when this ends. My son can take over my practice completely or I can continue part time. Prob depends on how draconian the new regulations to practice are and how serious the threat of ill health is to me. I am working now for fun, not necessity. Full time would be too much, but 12 hours per week is still enjoyable and my back is a lot happier.
That is the most aggressive recommendation I've seen anywhere. I think I've seen the recommendation for six months. If I use one toothbrush (electric) in the morning and a different one at night (manual) does that extend your change recommendation to 4 months for each?

Regarding the cleaning of the brush. Dr. Ellie recommends swishing the brush in Listerine for a few seconds and then rinsing it in water. Letting the brush dry for a full 24 hours -- hence the need for two different brushes. She says bacteria die with no moisture? Thus, if you used the same brush for both brushings it'd not sufficiently dry out and bacteria would continue to multiply on the brush.

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Post by vnatale » Wed Dec 09, 2020 7:54 pm

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Trident has the same amount of xylitol as Ellie's but is half the price.
Where can I find the list of ingredients in the Trident xylitol gum? I looked at one Trident product at Amazon but could not find any list of ingredients.

I buy the bulk version at Ellie's and at 15% or 20% off.

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Post by thisisallen » Thu Dec 10, 2020 11:32 am

This is a good place to buy the mints (and all vitamin/supplement oriented products). They regularly have sales at least 10% - they send emails to their mailing list - and free shipping on $50+ orders.

https://www.vitacost.com/productsearch. ... ol%20mints
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thisisallen wrote:
Thu Dec 10, 2020 11:32 am
This is a good place to buy the mints (and all vitamin/supplement oriented products). They regularly have sales at least 10% - they send emails to their mailing list - and free shipping on $50+ orders.

https://www.vitacost.com/productsearch. ... ol%20mints
Thanks!

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Post by Kriegsspiel » Thu Dec 10, 2020 7:29 pm

Man I change my toothbrush every month or so. It's something you put in your mouth every day, no need to let it get disgusting. They're 85 cents.
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Man I change my toothbrush every month or so. It's something you put in your mouth every day, no need to let it get disgusting. They're 85 cents.
85 cents!!!! What kind of toothbrushes do you buy???!!! How about using a quality toothbrush? One that cleans well and does not lead to self-damage? But I guess if that was happening to you, you'd know and would have stopped using them.

I just paid $21 (including tax) for four replacement brush heads for my Oral B electric and the hand toothbrushes go for about $5.

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Re: The Permanent Tooth and Gum Care Regime

Post by Kriegsspiel » Fri Dec 11, 2020 8:06 pm

vnatale wrote:
Thu Dec 10, 2020 9:12 pm
Kriegsspiel wrote:
Thu Dec 10, 2020 7:29 pm
Man I change my toothbrush every month or so. It's something you put in your mouth every day, no need to let it get disgusting. They're 85 cents.
85 cents!!!! What kind of toothbrushes do you buy???!!! How about using a quality toothbrush? One that cleans well and does not lead to self-damage? But I guess if that was happening to you, you'd know and would have stopped using them.

I just paid $21 (including tax) for four replacement brush heads for my Oral B electric and the hand toothbrushes go for about $5.

Vinny
I just buy the cheap ones at the grocery store, they do a great job. I don't know what you mean by "self-damage," you mean to my mouth? I've been brushing my teeth for a really long time; I'm pretty good at not hurting myself ^-^ ^-^ ^-^ No dental issues.

Paying $5 for a toothbrush sounds pretty fucking insane to me. I don't really get the battery powered ones either, since I have muscles, but if it makes you feel good...
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Post by vnatale » Fri Dec 11, 2020 8:15 pm

Kriegsspiel wrote:
Fri Dec 11, 2020 8:06 pm
vnatale wrote:
Thu Dec 10, 2020 9:12 pm
Kriegsspiel wrote:
Thu Dec 10, 2020 7:29 pm
Man I change my toothbrush every month or so. It's something you put in your mouth every day, no need to let it get disgusting. They're 85 cents.
85 cents!!!! What kind of toothbrushes do you buy???!!! How about using a quality toothbrush? One that cleans well and does not lead to self-damage? But I guess if that was happening to you, you'd know and would have stopped using them.

I just paid $21 (including tax) for four replacement brush heads for my Oral B electric and the hand toothbrushes go for about $5.

Vinny
I just buy the cheap ones at the grocery store, they do a great job. I don't know what you mean by "self-damage," you mean to my mouth? I've been brushing my teeth for a really long time; I'm pretty good at not hurting myself ^-^ ^-^ ^-^ No dental issues.

Paying $5 for a toothbrush sounds pretty fucking insane to me. I don't really get the battery powered ones either, since I have muscles, but if it makes you feel good...
You can do "self-damage" by using a brush with too hard bristles or brushing (or flossing) too aggressively. At one point I was guilty of the latter and was causing self-damage. My dentist noticed this and advised me to back off some, which I did.

I use the electric one in the morning and the non-electric (manual) one at night.

Dr. Ellie agrees with you that there is no need for an electric toothbrush. However, I already owned one (actually three) and its brushes cost about the same as the manual ones do.

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Re: The Permanent Tooth and Gum Care Regime

Post by Kriegsspiel » Fri Dec 11, 2020 8:24 pm

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You can do "self-damage" by using a brush with too hard bristles or brushing (or flossing) too aggressively. At one point I was guilty of the latter and was causing self-damage. My dentist noticed this and advised me to back off some, which I did.
Not me, no issues. I'm pretty sure I mastered brushing when I was a child, so there's hope for you yet if you want to stop throwing money away!
Dr. Ellie agrees with you that there is no need for an electric toothbrush. However, I already owned one (actually three) and its brushes cost about the same as the manual ones do.

Vinny
Sounds like they cost 6x as much as my manual ones do. Not that big a deal in the grand scheme of things, but I'd just hate the idea of wasting money on something so unnecessary.
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Post by thisisallen » Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:24 pm

Kriegsspiel wrote:
Fri Dec 11, 2020 8:24 pm
vnatale wrote:
Fri Dec 11, 2020 8:15 pm
You can do "self-damage" by using a brush with too hard bristles or brushing (or flossing) too aggressively. At one point I was guilty of the latter and was causing self-damage. My dentist noticed this and advised me to back off some, which I did.
Not me, no issues. I'm pretty sure I mastered brushing when I was a child, so there's hope for you yet if you want to stop throwing money away!
Dr. Ellie agrees with you that there is no need for an electric toothbrush. However, I already owned one (actually three) and its brushes cost about the same as the manual ones do.

Vinny
Sounds like they cost 6x as much as my manual ones do. Not that big a deal in the grand scheme of things, but I'd just hate the idea of wasting money on something so unnecessary.
May be that the manual vs electric toothbrush difference lies in the greater amount of brushing the electric does. This is the advice of my hygienist who thinks that the greater amount of “passes” on the teeth is more useful.
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Post by vnatale » Sat Dec 12, 2020 5:53 pm

MangoMan wrote:
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Ugh. I swore to myself I wouldn't comment on this thread anymore.

Stop being cheap about toothbrushes. They are NOT all the same. An electric is way better. Buy a rechargeable OralB Vitality for $20 and a supply of the small 'cross action' replacement heads. The amount you save on dentist and periodontist bills will be several orders of magnitude the additional cost of the brushes.

I have no doubt I said this earlier in this thread. If you're going to post anything here, please read the entire thread beforehand bc it almost certainly has already been covered.
Several nights ago I read everything that was in here, from the start.

I am almost certain that you'd not prior said any of the above, which is quite helpful.

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Post by vnatale » Sun Dec 13, 2020 1:30 pm

For those of you who want to follow MangoMan's recommendation to use an electric toothbrush the following may be of value to you. Luckily of the three that I own one of them was THE one that they recommend. The Oral B Pro 1000.

The Best Electric Toothbrush
https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/revi ... oothbrush/

By the way, this New York Times web site is an excellent, objective source for researching potential purchases.

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Post by boglerdude » Mon Dec 14, 2020 1:00 pm

^ Just ordered that a few hours ago. And some heads https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07NN1P7W1/
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^ Just ordered that a few hours ago. And some heads https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07NN1P7W1/
I did not order those because either that review or a review linked to it stated that the official Oral B brush heads were superior to the unofficial suitable for's.

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Post by boglerdude » Mon Dec 14, 2020 1:33 pm

They're just brush heads. You cant expect NYT to suggest counterfeits
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Post by vnatale » Mon Dec 14, 2020 6:01 pm

boglerdude wrote:
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They're just brush heads. You cant expect NYT to suggest counterfeits
That's like saying "They're just speakers" When listening to music or sounds the quality of the speakers are quite important in that that what you are ultimately listening to. So, same with the brush heads. That is what is ultimately cleaning your teeth and mouth.

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Post by Xan » Thu Dec 31, 2020 1:08 pm

Tom, it looks like you're having fun at the expense of at least one, probably two other members. It's very meta and while it might be a bit funny, it makes readers' brains hurt to try to keep up. Can we lay off the harping on people's work schedules and imitating other members?
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Post by boglerdude » Thu Dec 31, 2020 6:02 pm

He's like the daily show with Colbert. Smart, but too much effort to invert all the sarcasm after 10 min of listening :)
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Post by williswine » Sun Feb 28, 2021 6:57 pm

vnatale wrote:
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williswine wrote:
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Peelu USA (no affiliation) sells dental fibers made from the same tree as that chewing stick. I have been using http://peelu.com/dental-fibers/spearmint-25-oz/ for years now and my dental hygienist is always amazed at how little plaque I have. I don't really like the taste of it but it leaves my mouth and teeth so clean and it does not leave a toothpaste after taste that sometimes affects my sleep. Added bonus is that it is not a liquid so travels really easy. Oh, and it lasts a long long time (just like my crystal deodorant stick).

I'm however wondering if the system mentioned in the first post wouldn't do an even better job even though it certainly costs a lot more and has many more chemicals involved.  Wonder what Dr Ellie would say, maybe don't change a thing!
Link does not work. And, peelu seems to no longer exist? With the endorsement above, I was going to buy some!

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Vinny, I didn't realize you were PMing people until now. I haven't used Peelu in a long while as I can't find it as easily as I once did. I've switched to the system in the first post. It prevents tartar buildup big time so my hygienist rarely if ever has to use powered tools. I have had some decay under this system but I can't always follow it to the letter when I'm on the road...
When did you make the switch? Have you stayed with it? What have the latest results been?

Vinny
I probably switched 4 or 5 years ago and am still using it. I don't have recent results as it's been difficult to keep up regular teeth cleaning appointments with the pandemic but I can tell the regimen is keeping everything in check. Happy with it even after switching to store-brand Listerine (my only deviation). Using an electric toothbrush makes it even more efficient.
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williswine wrote:
Sun Feb 28, 2021 6:57 pm

vnatale wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 7:43 pm

williswine wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:08 pm

vnatale wrote:
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williswine wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:38 am

Peelu USA (no affiliation) sells dental fibers made from the same tree as that chewing stick. I have been using http://peelu.com/dental-fibers/spearmint-25-oz/ for years now and my dental hygienist is always amazed at how little plaque I have. I don't really like the taste of it but it leaves my mouth and teeth so clean and it does not leave a toothpaste after taste that sometimes affects my sleep. Added bonus is that it is not a liquid so travels really easy. Oh, and it lasts a long long time (just like my crystal deodorant stick).

I'm however wondering if the system mentioned in the first post wouldn't do an even better job even though it certainly costs a lot more and has many more chemicals involved.  Wonder what Dr Ellie would say, maybe don't change a thing!


Link does not work. And, peelu seems to no longer exist? With the endorsement above, I was going to buy some!

Vinny

Vinny, I didn't realize you were PMing people until now. I haven't used Peelu in a long while as I can't find it as easily as I once did. I've switched to the system in the first post. It prevents tartar buildup big time so my hygienist rarely if ever has to use powered tools. I have had some decay under this system but I can't always follow it to the letter when I'm on the road...


When did you make the switch? Have you stayed with it? What have the latest results been?

Vinny

I probably switched 4 or 5 years ago and am still using it. I don't have recent results as it's been difficult to keep up regular teeth cleaning appointments with the pandemic but I can tell the regimen is keeping everything in check. Happy with it even after switching to store-brand Listerine (my only deviation). Using an electric toothbrush makes it even more efficient.


I have been dedicated to it since last summer. Went to the dentist for the first time in December 2020 since I'd last been in January 2020. Normally I'd be getting 3 teeth cleanings a year but this one was over 11 months later. I also stopped flossing after that dental visit in December. But I started flossing again after that visit.

My true test will be what everything looks like when I go back in June of this year.

Why do you call store-brand Listerine a deviation? Unless you mean you are NOT buying Listerine and are buying the store version of it?

What I started doing a few months ago was using only about half the amounts the three mouthwashes prescribe. De. Ellie did not really emphasize that but I think I read one sentence she'd written in which she stated you did not need much of any of them in your mouth.

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Post by williswine » Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:16 pm

I had stopped flossing for a while. It was a mistake in my case. I guess my teeth are so close to each other that the products couldn't do their magic between them. I did develop a decay that required treatment but it was in an area I've always had troubles with. I will say my current dentist is at the bleeding edge of tech and uses digital tools that I think will find something where my previous dentists only using old-fashioned X-rays would have found absolutely nothing.

I now floss first then follow the regimen. I like it, and the products have a pleasant taste (especially Act bubble gum when I can't find the mint version :) ).

Since resuming flossing, and following the regimen, all seems fine. I am knocking on wood that my next check up will only require a simple cleaning.

I do one cap of Closys, perhaps a quarter of a Listerine cap filled with the store brand equivalent to Listerine (from Target, still ADA approved), and two thirds of the Act cap but I keep Act in mouth for a good 10 to 20 minutes or longer before rinsing. I'd like to see that one sentence from Dr. Ellie in which she stated one did not need much of any of the products in the mouth. I also wonder if she's now officially blessing the alcohol-free version of Listerine.

I haven't traveled in a long while but when I resume flying, I'd like to find a solution that doesn't require carrying the three liquids even as not much of each is needed for one brushing.
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