Thank you for your support, but I disagree very strongly on President Trump. I believe that while of course he is not a libertarian (nor has he ever claimed to be one), he is the least non-libertarian President of my lifetime.technovelist wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2020 10:46 pmWe obviously have a person leading our country who is the exact opposite of what you state above and, therefore, opposite to which you seem to stand for. Do you disagree?vnatale wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:53 pmI actually don't find it that hard to follow the Golden Rule, because I believe that what you do is what will be done to you, as a law of nature, although sometimes there is a time lag. Thus, being mean or vicious, or even merely disregarding the effects of my actions on others, will harm me.
My real question is why others don't see this. I want to say, "Look around you and see who is happy. Is it the liars, cheaters and thieves, or the honest people? So then why would you want to violate the Golden Rule?"
Strictly on the basis of you stating your beliefs on this matter, if it was you running against him, you'd get my vote.
Why do I say this?
He has cut taxes and regulations, especially the latter.
He has been trying to end the Korean War with some progress seeming to have been made.
He has been interfering with Iran's terrorism but almost entirely by financial means other than the killing of a mass murderer, which doesn't bother me.
He has been instrumental in the Right to Try Act, the First Step Act, and a number of other laws that have reduced the interference of the government in society.
He is very inclusive, welcoming people of all races and religions into his movement. Just watch a rally sometime if you haven't done so already; there are plenty of women and minority members, and even quite a few Democrats if you believe his campaign manager's statistics gathered from the people waiting in line for days to see him.
He almost never attacks anyone verbally without first being attacked himself, which is a valid justification for defensive action. Of course in his case he has been attacked 24/7 by the mainstream media and the Democrat party, with very little support from others in the Republican party.
So why do you say that he is the exact opposite of what I was stating? Please be specific.
Let me first start by quoting here what you said above with bolding all I believe he is (in the negative) and is not (in the positive).
"Thus, being mean or vicious, or even merely disregarding the effects of my actions on others, will harm me.
My real question is why others don't see this. I want to say, "Look around you and see who is happy. Is it the liars, cheaters and thieves, or the honest people?"
I'll say without a doubt he is NOT honest. He is: mean, vicious, disregards the effects of his actions on others, is a First Ballot Hall of Fame Superstar LIAR (being only second to Mariano Rivera to get this vote from EVERYONE), a cheater, and a thief!
And, I'm glad that none of them describe you!
And, I still think there is hope for you (politically) since you have told us that you voted for Bernie in the primaries (something I'd NEVER EVER do under any circumstances) and that you voted for Obama in 2012 (I gleefully voted for him in both elections, although Hillary in the 2008 primaries). Therefore you can be both MORE liberal and MORE conservative than me, depending upon what else is going on.
Regarding your next list, which was NOT what I was addressing -- I was only addressing your description of your version of the Golden Rule...but I will address each of them.
Cutting taxes? I'm neither for high or low taxes. Just if you are going to spend then you'd better tax to cover that spending. And, he clearly is not doing that. Just a big lie of how he was going to wipe out the deficit in four years.
Regulations? We need some. What is the right balance? I'd not trust him to be capable of deciding which ones to keep and which ones to get rid of.
Ending the Korean War. Great if he can do it. But again it seems like he's been getting played on that one.
Yes, he's been interfering with Iran's way of life. But he also unilaterally walked away from an agreement which was keeping them in their place. Big negative on this one.
I plead ignorance regarding both: Right to Try Act, the First Step Act. Therefore, I plead nolo and throw myself at the mercy of the court!
I'd not say he is welcoming at all! That is borne out in that after three years he's never had higher than a 46% approval rating. How can that be with the economy and market returns we've had since he's been president? He has to therefore be doing SOMETHING wrong? And, since I absolutely love C-Span I have it on a lot. Whenever he comes on I keep watching. And, then sometimes I watch and listen to it again on my computer! I could not dislike Obama's predecessor any more than I did (and still do). Trump still has not done 10% of the damage to our country and the world than Obama's predecessor did. But back to Trump and his rallies. I watch (but am mainly listening while doing something else) because I find him so fascinating and entertaining. Prior to him running for president I'd only heard of him, never having prior seen him or heard him talk. The rallies are great TV viewing even though I disagree with just about everything he says at them. As I just stated I had / have a white hot intense dislike of Obama's predecessor. I just don't have that emotional dislike of Trump. He IS a charmer as odious as his words and tweets too oftentimes may be!
His attacks? He is extremely thin skinned. He is like the bully who cries once you confront the bully with a tiny portion of what the bully has regularly been dishing out.
I'll conclude with these questions (and you can tell me if they are valid questions to ask at all).
Are these good measures for our president, who in this particular case happens to be Trump?
1. Would you want your child to marry him?
2. Would you want to be a co-worker of his?
3. And, maybe the biggest one of all. You have worked all your life to create this highly successful business which you own 100%. You've done the whole entrepreneurial thing working way too many 50, 60 hour weeks for years on end. Now it's time for you to sit back, enjoy the fruits of all that work, and turn over the day-to-day running of the company to a president while you remain 100% owner. Would you turn over the reins of the company to the brilliant businessman aka Donald Trump? A man who turns 74 years old in five months from now. Before you answer, your equity in your company represents your ENTIRE net worth. You going to do it??!! I would certainly NOT do it! And, I certainly don't want him running my country! (Nor do I want Biden / Warren / Bernie doing so, either!)