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Re: TDS discussion thread

Post by vnatale » Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:34 am

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Here's a pretty good article from RT on the symptoms: https://www.rt.com/usa/453656-trump-der ... -symptoms/

Comments?
Am about to read the article but wanted to first investigate the source of the article:

"rt.com/usa/. Availability. RT America is an American pay television channel based in Washington, D.C., and part of the RT network, a global multilingual television news network based in Moscow, Russia, and funded by the Russian government."
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Re: TDS discussion thread

Post by Kriegsspiel » Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:39 am

Says the guy who links to Media Matters :P
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Re: TDS discussion thread

Post by vnatale » Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:42 am

Kriegsspiel wrote:
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Says the guy who links to Media Matters :P
Says the guy who cited the source of what I put here! Only following your lead!

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Re: TDS discussion thread

Post by Kriegsspiel » Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:47 am

Hmm?
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Re: TDS discussion thread

Post by Libertarian666 » Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:15 am

Kriegsspiel wrote:
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Says the guy who links to Media Matters :P
He is of course one of the TDS victims I'm referring to.
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Re: TDS discussion thread

Post by vnatale » Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:22 am

Libertarian666 wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:15 am
Kriegsspiel wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:39 am
Says the guy who links to Media Matters :P
He is of course one of the TDS victims I'm referring to.
Glad to see you have all the medical credentials to make these pronouncements. Shall I refer others to you for your examination and diagnosis?

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Re: TDS discussion thread

Post by vnatale » Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:52 am

Libertarian666 wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:19 am
Here is some more recent research on this plague: https://garygindler.com/2020/02/12/trum ... -syndrome/
Just read it. Yet another shining article clearly written by someone with ZERO bias which, of course, results in a completely objectively written article.

However, how does one juxtapose these two excerpts (below) with Republicans PROUDLY 1) passing a $2.2 TRILLION deficit increasing bill which 2) give employees and employers (through August) FULL incentive to keep employees on unemployment because for many employees they will earn far more on unemployment, doing no work, than they ever have earned in their lives working a full work week? I'm not going to listen to it being all the Democrats work because why did the Democrats not have the same power to remove a president?

A) "The recent outbreak of TDS represents a metastatic disease that originated in 2016. By 2020, for a certain number of American citizens, it has reached vital organs. In particular, the 2016 elections forced the Democrats to peel off the mask of semi-hidden socialists, revealing the inner pathology. The 2016 election forced Democrats to oppose America with an open socialist visor.

Why? Because proponents of leftist ideology have come to the (pretty reasonable) conclusion that the beginning of the Trump era means the end of the socialist era. They realized that it was time to go all in. Otherwise, the idea of turning 50 American states into 50 Soviet socialist republics would fail."

B) "A recent discovery by American researchers gives hope that the correct approach to the Bacillus Anti-Trumpicus problem will be found eventually. It turned out that the record-low unemployment rate and noticeable growth of accumulated wealth in pension funds sharply boost the immune system of both societies and individual citizens. In some cases, a manifestation of a complete cure is the refusal of patients to receive welfare benefits since they have obtained a high-paying job."

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Re: TDS discussion thread

Post by Cortopassi » Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:47 am

Guys, I only have a single symptom of TDS. The inability to get over his style and lack of "presidentialness"

I have little issue with most of his policies, like I had little issue with most of Obama's. They are all hypocrites, regardless. We haven't become a nation without guns and where abortion is illegal, for example, two supposed tenets of either side. And they all grow the debt.

You'd ask then, is his style and manner enough for me to want him out of office simply based off that? You bet.

His style serves to amplify the differences between the left and right vs. attenuate, and does little to seek compromise.

A grandfatherly Biden would, seemingly, be better at toning down the rhetoric from both sides.
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Re: TDS discussion thread

Post by dualstow » Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:10 am

I'm kind of in recovery from TDS. My folks are pure Trump fans although they used to vote Democratic once upon a time.
My bubble of friends offscreen: fiercely anti-Trump.

What Cortopassi called the lack of presidentialness is definitely something that still bothers me. I've never seen him accept criticism. In addition to that, I don't like that he's got his daughter as an advisor and an overconfident, underachieving slumlord son-in-law who is sent out to bring peace to the Middle East. As one article put it, it's the kind of nepotism an African dictator would enjoy. { But Joe Biden's son- } I know, I know. True!

And yet, I don't think he's the monster the media makes him out to be. He's doing enough things right, and some of the things I think he's doing wrong turn out to be fabrications.
At this point, I'm cynically putting my faith (for lack of a better word) in the machine which will keep on turning no matter who sits in the Oval Office.
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Re: TDS discussion thread

Post by Mountaineer » Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:14 am

vnatale wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:52 am
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Why? Because proponents of leftist ideology have come to the (pretty reasonable) conclusion that the beginning of the Trump era means the end of the socialist era. They realized that it was time to go all in. Otherwise, the idea of turning 50 American states into 50 Soviet socialist republics would fail."

Vinny
I thought it was 57. 🙃
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Re: TDS discussion thread

Post by GT » Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:24 am

vnatale wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:52 am
Libertarian666 wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:19 am
Here is some more recent research on this plague: https://garygindler.com/2020/02/12/trum ... -syndrome/
Just read it. Yet another shining article clearly written by someone with ZERO bias which, of course, results in a completely objectively written article.

However, how does one juxtapose these two excerpts (below) with Republicans PROUDLY 1) passing a $2.2 TRILLION deficit increasing bill which 2) give employees and employers (through August) FULL incentive to keep employees on unemployment because for many employees they will earn far more on unemployment, doing no work, than they ever have earned in their lives working a full work week? I'm not going to listen to it being all the Democrats work because why did the Democrats not have the same power to remove a president?

A) "The recent outbreak of TDS represents a metastatic disease that originated in 2016. By 2020, for a certain number of American citizens, it has reached vital organs. In particular, the 2016 elections forced the Democrats to peel off the mask of semi-hidden socialists, revealing the inner pathology. The 2016 election forced Democrats to oppose America with an open socialist visor.

Why? Because proponents of leftist ideology have come to the (pretty reasonable) conclusion that the beginning of the Trump era means the end of the socialist era. They realized that it was time to go all in. Otherwise, the idea of turning 50 American states into 50 Soviet socialist republics would fail."

B) "A recent discovery by American researchers gives hope that the correct approach to the Bacillus Anti-Trumpicus problem will be found eventually. It turned out that the record-low unemployment rate and noticeable growth of accumulated wealth in pension funds sharply boost the immune system of both societies and individual citizens. In some cases, a manifestation of a complete cure is the refusal of patients to receive welfare benefits since they have obtained a high-paying job."

Vinny
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Re: TDS discussion thread

Post by stuper1 » Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:27 am

He's the one who got himself elected, so he's the one who gets to define what it means to be "presidential" for this four years. There is no manual of presidentialness stored in the top right desk drawer in the oval office.

If you can somehow comes to terms with that fact, then you don't have TDS.

If that fact causes you to obsess over every little thing that he tweets, then you very well may have TDS.
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Re: TDS discussion thread

Post by dualstow » Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:28 am

GT wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:24 am
"Bacillus Anti-Trumpicus" - Funny - Reminded me of the old Wile E. Coyote - Road Runner cartoons.

Road Runner - From Wiki
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stuper1 wrote:
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He's the one who got himself elected, so he's the one who gets to define what it means to be "presidential" for this four years. There is no manual of presidentialness stored in the top right desk drawer in the oval office.
I'll let Corto define it his way, but for me it's a nice way of saying he acts like a buffoonish Caligula Vulgaris. Nothing to do with policy, though, and policy is what we should focus on.
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Re: TDS discussion thread

Post by shekels » Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:29 am

For many TDS started with not being "Presidential"
So what is "Presidential"?

Who in the U.S.would fit that criteria?

If being "Presidential" is important to you, are the Views Trump has all that important to you or just a sideshow?
I agree, he can be annoying to People but he is also a hero to people, for saying what they are thinking/believe.

Do People just have hurt feelings by what he says.
or do people hate him for what Trump does.

He is Not Obama. The people that liked Obama are now on the opposite side of the coin were and Vice Versa.

Personally, I Rate Pres Trump on what he accomplishes or doesn't accomplish.
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Re: TDS discussion thread

Post by shekels » Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:33 am

Mountaineer wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:14 am
vnatale wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:52 am
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Why? Because proponents of leftist ideology have come to the (pretty reasonable) conclusion that the beginning of the Trump era means the end of the socialist era. They realized that it was time to go all in. Otherwise, the idea of turning 50 American states into 50 Soviet socialist republics would fail."

Vinny
I thought it was 57. 🙃
Or Sixty States Do I hear Sixty .

Sold to the Socialist in Red. ;)
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Re: TDS discussion thread

Post by Cortopassi » Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:26 pm

I don't obsess over his tweets, better to say I am disheartened by them.

He gets blasted by the left, incessantly. Agree.

If I had to pick one thing out of the past 3 years, a few weeks ago he said "I don't take responsibility at all."

Well, then, what good is he? It's always someone else's fault when something doesn't go right. Always. 100%. No exceptions. When stuff goes right, it is always him. 100%.

Bottom line, I am happy to see that my children see him for the narcissist he is. It has to be either his upbringing or something wrong in his mind. In 30 years of working I have only met two other business owners who even come close to his level, and both ended up running their businesses into the ground because they were incapable of listening to advice from other people.

"Narcissticus Tremendius" would be my road runner name for him.
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Re: TDS discussion thread

Post by Mountaineer » Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:39 pm

Ps 146:3. Do not trust in princes, In mortal man, in whom there is no salvation.

Once this is taken into the heart and understood, TDS is completely cured, as will be ODS, BDS, or even CDS for those with longer memories. It will even cure news junkies and those who feel compelled to comment on every tweet they find fault with. 🙉🙊🙈
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Re: TDS discussion thread

Post by dualstow » Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:42 pm

Cortopassi wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:47 am
Guys, I only have a single symptom of TDS. The inability to get over his style and lack of "presidentialness"

I have little issue with most of his policies, like I had little issue with most of Obama's.
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You'd ask then, is his style and manner enough for me to want him out of office simply based off that? You bet.
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I can understand both Trump's supporters and detractors to some extent. However, if that is your main beef, Corto, wasn't his style and manner apparent when you voted for him the first time around? I don't get that at all. ???
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Post by Tortoise » Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:01 pm

Almost every politician is a narcissist. Trump just doesn't bother trying to hide his narcissism.

"How dare you show people who you really are? Have you no shame, sir?"
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Re: TDS discussion thread

Post by Cortopassi » Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:17 pm

dualstow wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:42 pm
Cortopassi wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:47 am
Guys, I only have a single symptom of TDS. The inability to get over his style and lack of "presidentialness"

I have little issue with most of his policies, like I had little issue with most of Obama's.
...
You'd ask then, is his style and manner enough for me to want him out of office simply based off that? You bet.
...
I can understand both Trump's supporters and detractors to some extent. However, if that is your main beef, Corto, wasn't his style and manner apparent when you voted for him the first time around? I don't get that at all. ???
I totally admit, I loved him messing with people, for the most part, when he was campaigning. But like many at the time, we were hoping for a turn to a presidential demeanor when he actually won. That didn't happen, so I, over time, shifted my sentiment.
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Re: TDS discussion thread

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Cortopassi wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:26 pm
I don't obsess over his tweets, better to say I am disheartened by them.

He gets blasted by the left, incessantly. Agree.

If I had to pick one thing out of the past 3 years, a few weeks ago he said "I don't take responsibility at all."

Well, then, what good is he? It's always someone else's fault when something doesn't go right. Always. 100%. No exceptions. When stuff goes right, it is always him. 100%.

Bottom line, I am happy to see that my children see him for the narcissist he is. It has to be either his upbringing or something wrong in his mind. In 30 years of working I have only met two other business owners who even come close to his level, and both ended up running their businesses into the ground because they were incapable of listening to advice from other people.

"Narcissticus Tremendius" would be my road runner name for him.
Can't say Trump fits the personality I would enjoy being around - would not want to be his boss, employee or neighbor

But then again I would not want to be Biden or Hilary's boss, employee or neighbor

Don't they all have "Narcissticus Tremendius" some just hide it better
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Re: TDS discussion thread

Post by Cortopassi » Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:21 pm

Tortoise wrote:
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"How dare you show people who you really are? Have you no shame, sir?"
We are all the same to some extent. I will say certain things and feel comfortable with close friends, be a bit less open with a wider group, and be very careful when I don't know people.

He lacks that filter. Sometimes it works to his favor. With Trump, you know what's in his mind. I'd rather that be hidden, just like all of us think thoughts multiple times a day that we'd never, ever say out loud.
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Tortoise wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:01 pm
Almost every politician is a narcissist. Trump just doesn't bother trying to hide his narcissism.
True. But other recent presidents didn't hide it either. People just chose to ignore it depending on their political preferences.

Obama references himself 392 times in one speech
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Re: TDS discussion thread

Post by Tortoise » Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:38 pm

Cortopassi wrote:
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[Trump] lacks that filter. Sometimes it works to his favor.
Yes, and sometimes it works in the American people's favor as well. For example, when Trump puts a nasty reporter or media personality in his or her place, I think it gives a voice to his constituents that they've never really had before. And that new voice makes them feel a bit more empowered.

In other words, I think that lack of a filter cuts both ways. It lets in a lot of embarrassing nonsense, but it also brings a lot of important ideas into the public arena (like the idea that mainstream media may actually be an enemy of the people) that most "filtered" personalities wouldn't dare to broach.
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Re: TDS discussion thread

Post by Cortopassi » Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:42 pm

Tyler wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:28 pm
Tortoise wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:01 pm
Almost every politician is a narcissist. Trump just doesn't bother trying to hide his narcissism.
True. But other recent presidents didn't hide it either. People just chose to ignore it depending on their political preferences.

Obama references himself 392 times in one speech
I listened to the montage of one of those. https://grabien.com/story.php?id=38185&order=date. It didn't come across as narcissist to me. The first one in this clip was "I've been to Roseburg, Oregon. I want to thank all the first responders..."

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