Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan

[Kbg]

I don’t know why we keep arguing with lunatics who think the world is flat. I’m getting the vaccine and every responsible person will get the vaccine too and I guess whatever Trump supporters didn’t die from bleach injection will die from covid.

No kidding it’s exhausting. Curious, did the bleach work and was it real bleach or fake bleach?

Anyone getting bored? I am. Who’s gonna start the next thread?

I need something new to be outraged over. This thread’s getting stale.

[Mountaineer]

I don’t know why we keep arguing with lunatics who think the world is flat. I’m getting the vaccine and every responsible person will get the vaccine too and I guess whatever Trump supporters didn’t die from bleach injection will die from covid.

No kidding it’s exhausting. Curious, did the bleach work and was it real bleach or fake bleach?

Anyone getting bored? I am. Who’s gonna start the next thread?

I need something new to be outraged over. This thread’s getting stale.

OK! Let's do it. I propose we begin a conversation about why ducks quack. Or should that be: why quacks duck? Or even: quack, why ducks? Let the outrage begin.

[Maddy]

I am changing veterinarians bc the current one, whom I absolutely love, still won't allow humans in the building. I understood that last year March and April, but I've been seeing patients AND generating aerosols since June. I just don't feel like handing my dog over to them and sitting in the car for an hour when there are vets who will let you in the room with a mask, or without mask even.

+100. Bad enough losing a best (human) friend to this political contrivance; but to watch an innocent four-legged life-partner die while being "locked out" and unable to get help. . . Kind of wants to make you draw and quarter somebody.

[glennds]

I am changing veterinarians bc the current one, whom I absolutely love, still won't allow humans in the building. I understood that last year March and April, but I've been seeing patients AND generating aerosols since June. I just don't feel like handing my dog over to them and sitting in the car for an hour when there are vets who will let you in the room with a mask, or without mask even.

+100. Bad enough losing a best (human) friend to this political contrivance; but to watch an innocent four-legged life-partner die while being "locked out" and unable to get help. . . Kind of wants to make you draw and quarter somebody.

I'm trying to follow what happened here. The vet that wouldn't permit him in the building killed his dog?

[Maddy]

No, veterinary offices operating like McDonald's drive-throughs, making it impossible to get help in a crisis.

[SomeDude]

No, veterinary offices operating like McDonald's drive-throughs, making it impossible to get help in a crisis.

Come to FL. I go in the back with the vets and the techs with my 18 year old puppy and his mama no problem.

In the words of William Wallace "Relative Freedom"!!!

[WiseOne]

Great conversation I've missed out on the past few days!

Gotta weigh in here, I am pretty much well aligned with Maddy. The reaction to the virus was entirely reasonable at first, when we didn't know anything about what it could do. By late May of last year, though, the following information was abundantly clear:

- The virus is a risk to a very well defined, limited subset of the population. Who mostly are NOT working, traveling, going to bars/restaurants, attending school etc.
- The mortality from COVID (as opposed to mortality from lockdowns) is well within the range of what we have repeatedly experienced with flu viruses (i.e. it's about on par with bad flu seasons which come up every 5-10 years).
- Lockdowns and mask mandates have zero effect on spread - this was actually known pre-COVID, per the WHO's 2019 report, and easily verifiable since then with multiple peer-reviewed articles in the medical literature all saying the same thing. Further, the notion that the virus's spread could be limited was clearly and completely unrealistic. That should have been obvious to everyone early on.

Given those facts, the ongoing restrictions on personal and economic liberties can't be explained in any way other than it was done for the sake of a political agenda. And I agree with Maddy, there have been many examples of political behavior that directly contradict the notion that these actions were prompted by public health concerns alone. Throwing the southern border wide open is just one example. The massive BLM protests/riots were another.

And, the fact that my sister and her family had to have their beloved cat euthanized in a parking lot really adds to the "unforgiveable" aspect of this whole mess. I'm relieved that my vet does allow you to come into the waiting room and talk face to face with the vet, although we still aren't allowed in the exam rooms.

Finally (just in case I'm still on the repeat poster banned list) to answer a question about the mRNA vaccines: the mRNA enter your cells and force them to start making coronavirus spike proteins. These don't themselves cause illness, but those proteins are then recognized as foreign by your immune system which then proceeds to make antibodies. The procedure is theoretically sound and appears to be a good vaccine technique that could end up proving safer than conventional approaches - BUT, realize that the COVID vaccines are first use in humans and should thus be considered unproven technology. Certainly not the "proven safe" mantra that the media keep repeating. It certainly helps that millions of people have volunteered to be guinea pigs, so I'm really happy that I waited. Also, good to know that the 2nd shots are entirely unnecessary, unless you work for an employer like mine.

[whatchamacallit]

No, veterinary offices operating like McDonald's drive-throughs, making it impossible to get help in a crisis.

Wow. Sounds like stockholm syndrome is alive and well wherever you are.

I am not sure I really had an idea how bad it is other places.

[Cortopassi]

Anyone:
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"Given those facts, the ongoing restrictions on personal and economic liberties can't be explained in any way other than it was done for the sake of a political agenda."
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What is/was the agenda? Was it to get someone out of office? They almost failed that mission, but they did.

Was it to spend gobs of money on relief and social programs? They already spent 3T before Trump left, with tons of republican support.

So many of my friends were 100% convinced it was all going to disappear on Nov 4th... 100% utterly convinced.

Yet, here we are, mid-March. CNN and other left leaning news, while getting a little more positive, still are enthralled by being negative on anything Covid. Blue states have improved, but likely nowhere near red ones, and certainly nowhere near the level that was "supposed" to happen if Biden won

So I am not following what the goal of this agenda is/was.

[Tortoise]

What is/was the [political] agenda? Was it to get someone out of office? They almost failed that mission, but they did.

Was it to spend gobs of money on relief and social programs? They already spent 3T before Trump left, with tons of republican support.

So many of my friends were 100% convinced it was all going to disappear on Nov 4th... 100% utterly convinced.

The current political agenda seems to be to perpetuate the Covid "crisis" narrative in order to (1) maintain general authoritarian control, and (2) negotiate political wins that would be more difficult or impossible to obtain in the absence of a "crisis".

I was one of the people who was convinced that the Covid narrative would rapidly shift after Nov 4th, but that turned out to be wrong. I readily admitted that on at least one other thread a while back.

You seem to keep mentioning that one failed prediction as a supposed justification for rejecting the possibility that any political agenda might be driving the perpetuation of the Covid "crisis" narrative.

Might I be wrong about the political agenda? Sure. But when you have leftists saying things like the following, which CA Governor Newsom said in his State of the State speech on March 9th, the leftist agenda to exploit Covid for political purposes seems pretty clear to me (boldface added):

When this pandemic ends – and it will end soon – we’re not going back to normal. Normal was never good enough. Normal accepts inequity.

https://www.gov.ca.gov/2021/03/09/gover ... er-future/

[Tortoise]

And when you never get covid, your response will be that it must all have been a liberal myth, right?

Too late, I already got Covid a couple of months ago. It's because I didn't listen to Fauci and double-mask. The extra mask would have protected me.

The reason why Covid spread throughout the US in the first place was because my guy in the White House bungled the handling of Covid so disastrously before he was democratically voted out of office. If Biden had been in charge instead, the US would have stayed 100% Covid-free like every other country in the world has managed to do. I realize that now.

[yankees60]

At this point with so many getting the vaccine and the remaining natural immunity from those with covid should be enough to get that herd immunity .

Then it won’t matter if the antivaxers get it or not ...the rest of use will end up carrying their lazy asses across the finish line because we did

Since you by far the among us with by far the worst virus experience....I'm interested in your response to the below...

Thanks

Vinny


https://www.nj.com/yankees/2021/03/yank ... e-out.html



Yankees’ Zack Britton got COVID with wife in labor, and it was hellish: ‘It wiped me out!’


As terrible as 2020 was for everyone in so many ways, the new year already has been even more cruel to Yankees reliever Zack Britton.

With one exception: Wife Courtney delivered their fourth child in January. But while daddy was there for the birth, he suspects that their trip to a hospital near their Spicewood, Texas home is what triggered his very unpleasant bout with COVID.

“I think I got it at the hospital when we were having our kid,” Britton said.

Britton currently is dealing with a new health setback, elbow surgery next Monday in New York to remove a bone chip, but he figures recovering from that procedure will be less taxing than what he endured this winter. After getting COVID, the 6-foot-1, 200 pounder lost 18 pounds in 10 days.

“It wiped me out pretty good,” Britton said. “I wasn’t looking to lose 18 pounds, and it happened quickly, so that’s not good on your body.”

Absolutely not.

Britton did a lot of studying up on the pandemic after it shut down baseball for 3 ½ months starting last March 12 ? one year ago this Friday. Although anything but naïve to the dangers, he figured if he had ever contracted COVID that it wouldn’t be that bad on him because he’s just 33 and a fit professional athlete.

“I was very aware of what was going on around the world and the deaths, so it definitely wasn’t something I was taking lightly,” Britton said. “We were being smart about it. Unfortunately I got it, and it opened my eyes to that it was maybe worse than I thought it would be if I got it.

“I was not expecting to get hit that hard by COVID. The weight loss was surprising. There was a period of time right after I got it that it was difficult to work out. I was losing stamina. I was out of breath quite a bit. The aftereffects that I’ve been dealing with showed me how serious this can be even for somebody that’s healthy and how it can impact you months even after you’re over the roughest symptoms.”

By early February, Britton headed to Tampa for spring training not fully recovered. His weight and strength hadn’t returned all the way, so the Yanks opted to proceed slowly. That’s why he hadn’t yet pitched in a Grapefruit League game prior to his elbow discomfort setting in last Sunday after he threw a bullpen.

“Losing 18 pounds ? that’s not good on your bbody and it puts pressure in a lot of places, so we were smart about what I was going to do,” Britton said. “I thought we were on a really good program. (COVID) cost me about three or four weeks of throwing in the offseason, so a gradual build up is what we were doing, and things were going well up until after that last bullpen.”

[Kbg]

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[Kbg]

What I find super interesting (ironic as all get out really) about this whole topic is how Trump, Pence and a couple of key Republicans got together with big pharma for a couple of days and figured out how to field a cutting edge biological technology marvel through the US approval bureaucracy in mind blowing record time. All early tracking indicates the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is freaking amazing.

Given the historical political posting record of most of the hoax crowd on this thread, how do you square that in your minds? Y’all remember this right?

Biden is going to get the credit but the last administration made it happen. Biden’s got the sweat mop out cleaning the floor after the game winning drive to post won the game.



Four cuz you know this little bit of history is a twofer...doesn’t fit in either the left or right political narrative.

[mathjak107]

All I know is what I said earlier ..as more and more get vaccinated we are getting closer and closer to a more normal life with greatly reduced risk .

My opinion is just a shame that those of us who got vaccinated and wore our masks have to carry those antivaxers and anti maskers sorry asses across the finish line with us when they were part of the problem and not the solution.

It just annoys me they will have normal lives because of the actions of the rest of us who took the risk of vaccination and the discomfort of mask wearing .

[mathjak107]

Not everyone could fight or was selected to fight ...we all had the option to wear masks and get vaccinated.

I wouldn’t blame vets for hating draft dodgers though and resenting them.

So that is the comparison I see , vet vs draft dodger

[murphy_p_t]

How is it different?

Soldiers actually going to harm's way and often perform heroic actions. The delusional nonsense that people submitting to a massive human experimentation and wear a diaper has nothing to do with being brave or heroic.

It only shows that they're living in fear and can't think for themselves.

[murphy_p_t]

"It just annoys me they will have normal lives because of the actions of the rest of us who took the risk of vaccination and the discomfort of mask wearing ."

Independent thinkers and brave people don't be bemoan that the herd is not with them.

However, the weak willed and weak minded lament that the whole world doesn't join their cult

[mathjak107]

"It just annoys me they will have normal lives because of the actions of the rest of us who took the risk of vaccination and the discomfort of mask wearing ."

Independent thinkers and brave people don't be bemoan that the herd is not with them.

However, the weak willed and weak minded lament that the whole world doesn't join their cult

Again . Poor comparison....

We are talking not a cult but being able to leave a close to normal life again. Because others did what you didn’t even though you could and should ..,big difference .

More akin to draft dodger vs vet then any cult

[murphy_p_t]

I would like to point out to you that wet sidewalks do not cause rain.

[murphy_p_t]

Also, you seem not to be aware that people taken in by cults and mass panics are tricked into these modes of thinking. This is part of why people of otherwise reasonable intelligence become immune to logic and facts

[murphy_p_t]

In a few decades, if the world has not become 1984, brave New world, or Gulag archipelago...

You'll be able to tell everyone you lived through the 21st century version of the Salem witch trials

[Cortopassi]

I never got a response from Somedude, how about you murphy? Are you vaccinated (all the regular stuff)? If you have kids, are they vaccinated?

Do you think you would have had the same reaction were the internet around and you were there for the small pox or polio vaccine rollouts?

Or would those as well have been mass experimentation that was going to kill us all?

For the record, I am vaccinated, my kids are as well, I have never been an anti-vaxer, but I generally do not get the flu shot because it wipes me out for a couple days.

However, next Wed I am scheduled for Moderna.

[murphy_p_t]

Thank you for the question.

I did get the usual vaccines growing up.

I am open to the arguments of the anti-vaxxers, although I do not share on their steadfast opposition.

I make a huge distinction with the experimental injection which is being rolled out worldwide.

WiseOne already made an excellent case summarizing reasons to be skeptical of the current regime.

What has been left unaddressed are the nefarious players and motives at play. I will be looking for the most compelling article which outlines this to share in this thread. Hint: it's much bigger than silly R and D fake opposition.

In the meantime, I would like to ask why people are willing to subject themselves to experimental biological agents when we have evidence of a perfectly safe, effective and low cost treatment, and prophylactic?

*Ivermectin*

https://covid19criticalcare.com/i-mask- ... -protocol/

[mathjak107]

I would like to point out to you that wet sidewalks do not cause rain.

Irrelevant ....you have a whole segment of people doing nothing too help the cause and will benefit ... I resent that the same way a vet has a right to resent a draft dodger who benefits from the freedoms they put themselves at risk for