Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan

[dualstow]

I'm interested in scientific discussion only if it confirms my ideology. It sounds like that would be a good article for Republicans and Libertarians, but Democrats should avoid reading it.

That’s not even satire. That’s reality.

[barrett]

I’m at the age now where I want/need the shingles shot. I’m just waiting for a break from all this covid stuff.

I repeat: shingles is nasty.

dualstow, Just dropping in to say that what you have written above has just a touch of BS. One has nothing to do with the other. The shingles shot can be set up easily at your local pharmacy, I believe. My wife and I both had ours a couple of years ago. It's two shots about a month apart IIRC.

The "covid stuff" is not likely to have any definite end as I am sure you probably know. Just get the dang Shingrix inoculation so that one of our best posters is not too sick to type. Pretty please?

[Mountaineer]

But I know the way that I am...if there is a financial issue involved with medical care I'm going to be my usual frugal self and forego something I probably should not. So I chose the most expensive plan choice so as to never have $$$$ cost be part of the decision for me

ok, but I don’t think that should be defined as frugal. Frugal is wisely lowering costs or going no frills and thus creating savings. Forgoing the (probable) prevention of shingles is different.

Vinny, I strongly encourage you to get the shingles shot. I've known a couple of people who had it; believe me you do not want to have the experience of a nasty case. If you had chicken pox, and possibly cold sores, earlier in your life you are more succeptible. Secondly, my personal belief is whether or not to get a vaccine (including for Covid-19) should be considered from a medical point of view, NOT a political or economic (within reason) point of view. If you can afford all that cat food and driving all over the place to obtain it, you certainly can afford to pay for a shingles shot. Best wishes.

[dualstow]

I’m at the age now where I want/need the shingles shot. I’m just waiting for a break from all this covid stuff.

I repeat: shingles is nasty.

dualstow, Just dropping in to say that what you have written above has just a touch of BS. One has nothing to do with the other. The shingles shot can be set up easily at your local pharmacy, I believe. My wife and I both had ours a couple of years ago. It's two shots about a month apart IIRC.

The "covid stuff" is not likely to have any definite end as I am sure you probably know. Just get the dang Shingrix inoculation so that one of our best posters is not too sick to type. Pretty please?

You’re right. But the shots made me so sick that I don’t want the shingles one too close to the covid booster. I have some trips coming up so I’ll have to do each when I can just come home and be sick. I don’t feel the shingles one is too urgent. I just recently hit the right age.

[vnatale]

But I know the way that I am...if there is a financial issue involved with medical care I'm going to be my usual frugal self and forego something I probably should not. So I chose the most expensive plan choice so as to never have $$$$ cost be part of the decision for me

ok, but I don’t think that should be defined as frugal. Frugal is wisely lowering costs or going no frills and thus creating savings. Forgoing the (probable) prevention of shingles is different.

I thought more about it.

I have never had a flu shot. My doctor advised me to get one a few years and I said yes. But in the checking out process the person checking me out never said..."Now go here for your shot" and I forgot all about it. So I never got that shot. I walked back to my office, which is only 5 minutes away. Soon after I remembered I'd not got that shot. I could have walked back to get the shot but I was just not sufficiently motivated to do so.

I was EXTREMELY motivated to get my Covid vaccination shot. My major motivation for getting it was to be protected prior to the start of this spring's softball activities.

I think you will agree that these vaccination shots were (and still are) a topic widely discussed.

Outside of this forum and that one time my doctor advised getting the shingles shot...I've had little discussion with others who either have had shingles or had the shot. So it's been far, far, far from top of mind.

We all like to think we are logical and rational. But a lot of the times we do make our decisions emotionally. And, getting the shingles shot has just not stirred up my emotions enough to make it a priority.

It's on the same level as the flu shot except the flu shot is free and the shingles shot would cost me $250 to $500 if I were to get it today.

After I did not get the flu shot that day at the doctor's office / building...I had many other opportunities that flu season to get it.

Many times I'd walk by the free flu shot sign at Stop & Shop when I was in there buying food. Each time I'd ask myself, "Do I want to now spend the extra 5-10 minutes to get the shot?" Every time the answer was no. I was not feeling the sense of urgency to get it.

I'm now sufficiently motivated with the shingles shot to make sure I get good information from my doctor's office so I can go back and forth with them and the various Medicare drug plans to find out which plans offer it. If successful and I pick a plan that covers it, I may get it next January. How much of a risk am I running by not getting it for another four months?

Does anyone here now how it is contracted? I assume it is communicable from another person? Can you get it by touching a door knob?

The other factor to keep in mind is that aside from my sports / music activities I lead quite the isolated (from other humans) life compared to the typical person. I assume that definitely drastically lowers my possibilities of contracting anything that is communicable?

[dualstow]

Does anyone here now how it is contracted? I assume it is communicable from another person? Can you get it by touching a door knob?

Shingles? Layman here, but I don’t think so. I think it’s like this: if you’ve had chicken pox, the virus never left your body. Decades later, it manifests as shingles. Same virus.

[barrett]

Does anyone here now how it is contracted? I assume it is communicable from another person? Can you get it by touching a door knob?

Shingles? Layman here, but I don’t think so. I think it’s like this: if you’ve had chicken pox, the virus never left your body. Decades later, it manifests as shingles. Same virus.

Another laydoctor here. dualstow is correct. Same virus, just hanging around dormant until it's not.

And, dualstow, thanks for the explanation for waiting on the shingles vax until after you get your Covid booster. I have never had ANY noticeable reaction to a vaccine so that is not part of my calculations (I do have plenty of other problems! )

[Xan]

Not sure if anyone is still interested in reading scientific discussion. This is an excellent (but long) post by Geert Vanden Bossche, a vaccinologist who accurately predicted that mass vaccination with leaky (imperfect) vaccines during a pandemic would only drive the production of more infectious and dangerous variants.

https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/post/the-last-post

Is this the guy who's a veterinarian? Also, didn't Delta start in India not long after the vaccine was invented in the US, when India had a 0% vaccination rate?

Apparently he has training in veterinary virology. I’m not sure that he would treat anyone’s sick pet.

Not sure about Delta but it’s not the only variant.

He has expertise and an opinion and is sharing it. People can accept or dismiss it as they see fit.

You claimed that vaccines were causing the variants. As far as I know, all the variants so far have developed without the vaccine's involvement. If you're going to make that claim shouldn't you be able to point to at least one variant? I don't think you can just say "not sure" after you've claimed that's what happened.

It seems that unmitigated spread is causing variants.

[flyingpylon]

Not sure if anyone is still interested in reading scientific discussion. This is an excellent (but long) post by Geert Vanden Bossche, a vaccinologist who accurately predicted that mass vaccination with leaky (imperfect) vaccines during a pandemic would only drive the production of more infectious and dangerous variants.

https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/post/the-last-post

Is this the guy who's a veterinarian? Also, didn't Delta start in India not long after the vaccine was invented in the US, when India had a 0% vaccination rate?

Apparently he has training in veterinary virology. I’m not sure that he would treat anyone’s sick pet.

Not sure about Delta but it’s not the only variant.

He has expertise and an opinion and is sharing it. People can accept or dismiss it as they see fit.

You claimed that vaccines were causing the variants. As far as I know, all the variants so far have developed without the vaccine's involvement. If you're going to make that claim shouldn't you be able to point to at least one variant? I don't think you can just say "not sure" after you've claimed that's what happened.

It seems that unmitigated spread is causing variants.

I didn't claim anything. I'm still open to learning more about this entire situation so I am well within my rights to say "I'm not sure" about something. Perhaps I should have said Dr Vanden Bossche "may have predicted..." but even he acknowledges that he does not have a crystal ball. He's just following the science as he sees it. I thought that at the very least his argument was well thought out and more valuable to the general discussion than a lot of the clickbait that gets posted.

[dualstow]

This reminds me: an older friend was telling me about how the nation was united against polio. Nobody effed around. Nobody thought it was a government plot, the Mark of the Beast, or anything nefarious. People just didn’t want to be crippled. I know this is no great revelation, but it does make you think.

Is it your understanding that the nature and consequences of polio and the efficacy of the polio vaccine are similar enough to those of COVID to make a comparison? Do you feel the government is similar enough between then and now to make a comparison in the level of trust?

What I should add to the previous answer is: think about the original vaccines. People had little to no access to medical journals and no easy way to find things out. Then they’re told, “Look, we’re going to take some dead pathogens and punch a hole into your body so we can fill it with some of these dead pathogens. It’ll be swell!”

To me, that would take a bigger leap of faith than taking a new kind of vaccine in 2020-2021 when hordes of medical professionals insist that it’s better than not taking it, risk of clots notwithstanding. I understand why some people choose not to take it and I firmly believe that should be their right. However, I also understand why it might be a good idea to not let them on planes unless they have a recent negative test.

[Xan]

I didn't claim anything. I'm still open to learning more about this entire situation so I am well within my rights to say "I'm not sure" about something.

Yes you did, you said "who accurately predicted that mass vaccination with leaky (imperfect) vaccines during a pandemic would only drive the production of more infectious and dangerous variants." (emphasis mine)

You're welcome to not be sure of something, but your original claim was that you were sure.

Perhaps I should have said Dr Vanden Bossche "may have predicted..." but even he acknowledges that he does not have a crystal ball. He's just following the science as he sees it. I thought that at the very least his argument was well thought out and more valuable to the general discussion than a lot of the clickbait that gets posted.

He did predict it, you just can't say it was accurate.

[flyingpylon]

I didn't claim anything. I'm still open to learning more about this entire situation so I am well within my rights to say "I'm not sure" about something.

Yes you did, you said "who accurately predicted that mass vaccination with leaky (imperfect) vaccines during a pandemic would only drive the production of more infectious and dangerous variants." (emphasis mine)

You're welcome to not be sure of something, but your original claim was that you were sure.

Perhaps I should have said Dr Vanden Bossche "may have predicted..." but even he acknowledges that he does not have a crystal ball. He's just following the science as he sees it. I thought that at the very least his argument was well thought out and more valuable to the general discussion than a lot of the clickbait that gets posted.

He did predict it, you just can't say it was accurate.

I am guilty of being more precise with my words than I intended. Feel free to deduct points from my social credit score for my indiscretion.

[dualstow]

I fondly remember the good old days in school when something was marked wrong and I told my teacher I was merely being overly precise.

[Smith1776]

I fondly remember the good old days in school when something was marked wrong and I told my teacher I was merely being overly precise.

Did you write 7.000 instead of 7 as an answer to 3 + 4?

[SomeDude]

You people are arguing nonsense meanwhile billions of fully vaxxed people are dying because other people chose not to get vaxxed.

The vax is useless unless everyone gets it and all the follow up boosters that Science and Dr. Faucci agree on today.

The fake president's earpiece couldn't be more clear. 100% must be vaxxed or we all suffer.

[SomeDude]

You really have to broken mentally and spiritually to think people should be forced to take an experimental injection they don't want. And to claim that the people who refuse are putting the ones who take the injection at risk.....you must bend your mind into a pretzel.

[murphy_p_t]

That, or just turn off your mind and repeat the pablum that comes out of dementia Joe's mouth.

I view it as a monstrous, totalitarian, deceptive line of reasoning.... Psychological warfare carefully designed to extend the Doomporn, while creating deep division and suspicion.

Keep in mind that the authorities have already stated plainly that the deathjab does not stop the spread of Wuhan.

CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky: “Vaccinated people infected with Delta can transmit the virus."

[murphy_p_t]

If ivermectin is not safe and effective against Wuhan, can someone please give an explanation for the following info?


https://www.barnhardt.biz/2021/08/31/aw ... ing-water/



http://dad29.blogspot.com/2021/09/iverm ... india.html

[dualstow]

I fondly remember the good old days in school when something was marked wrong and I told my teacher I was merely being overly precise.

Did you write 7.000 instead of 7 as an answer to 3 + 4?

That’s the thing: I wrote 82.

[I Shrugged]

Boys more at risk from Pfizer vax than from Covid: Study:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... ests-study

I don’t think I would be rushing to get my own kids vaccinated.

[dualstow]

Boys more at risk from Pfizer vax than from Covid: Study:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... ests-study

I don’t think I would be rushing to get my own kids vaccinated.

Interesting. yeah, healthy teenagers- we need more studies.
Last year, it seems the focus was on the elderly and their susceptibility (which is of course, a very real thing). Spring breaking kids felt immortal- with regard to covid, of course, not the vax. . Now, more details are emerging. Confusing times.

[Mark Leavy]

Boys more at risk from Pfizer vax than from Covid: Study:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... ests-study

I don’t think I would be rushing to get my own kids vaccinated.

Interesting. yeah, healthy teenagers- we need more studies.
Last year, it seems the focus was on the elderly and their susceptibility (which is of course, a very real thing). Spring breaking kids felt immortal- with regard to covid, of course, not the vax. . Now, more details are emerging. Confusing times.

You know what would be interesting. Some serious adult discussion about the mechanisms that make the risk profile for healthy teenagers sway one way but sway differently for healthy adults. Just saying. Tell me a little bit about how all of this works.

[dualstow]

[vnatale]

Article in my local newspaper stating that "ivermectin" has been moved behind the counter and stores will only sell it to customers that they know.

[Mark Leavy]

Article in my local newspaper stating that "ivermectin" has been moved behind the counter and stores will only sell it to customers that they know.

Be wary of dating horse women. They do strange things with the stuff that they have in the barn. Think cat ladies with more money.
No way would I every put horse dewormer in my body. Or any sort of horse food.

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