Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan

[Kriegsspiel]

The point is that there are certain inescapable inferences that flow from the fact that the federal government is actually promoting the flow of infected illegals into the country. They simply don't believe their own narrative. You can't, on one hand, justify depriving people of their right to make a living on grounds that there's a public health emergency and, on the other, usher and disperse throughout the country a significantly infected population. This is pure duplicity.

One could imagine that the administration's priorities are ordered such that they place a higher importance on shepherding high numbers of untraceable foreigners, including the infected, into the country right now than on Slowing The SpreadTM.

[Cortopassi]

Some Dude,

On topic question -- you don't have to answer. I think you recently had a baby. Are they getting standard vaccinations?

If yes, why?

If no, why?

My kids have gone to public school their whole life. You can't go without proving you have a variety of vaccinations (or I assume nowadays you can probably opt out for religious or other reasons, but I know not a single person who did that).

Perusing some major vaccinations in the past, like Small Pox and Polio, there seem always to be some groups who believe it is going to mess them up, or is some sort of government control issue or something similar.

And all that fades away... Now they are just a series of shots kids get as they are growing up. No biggie. No government overlord feeling on those vaccinations, is there?

Why is "this" vaccine so different?

It isn't is it? Is it?

[murphy_p_t]

https://mobile.twitter.com/freespeechse ... 1542289408

I wonder if this has something to do with skepticism about the plandemic?

[Cortopassi]

https://mobile.twitter.com/freespeechse ... 1542289408

I wonder if this has something to do with skepticism about the plandemic?

Sometimes it just isn't worth responding. Those nurses/workers, taking two minutes to relieve what is probably and certainly has been one of the most stress filled jobs in the world and you pooh pooh them. Whatever man.

[Xan]

My kids have gone to public school their whole life. You can't go without proving you have a variety of vaccinations (or I assume nowadays you can probably opt out for religious or other reasons, but I know not a single person who did that).

Just a note: Religious or conscientious opting out has always been allowed; it's only recently some are trying to clamp down on it.

[murphy_p_t]

https://mobile.twitter.com/freespeechse ... 1542289408

I wonder if this has something to do with skepticism about the plandemic?

Sometimes it just isn't worth responding. Those nurses/workers, taking two minutes to relieve what is probably and certainly has been one of the most stress filled jobs in the world and you pooh pooh them. Whatever man.

Either that, or the ward is empty, as has been reported

[murphy_p_t]

Perfectly true.

The problem seems to be the people who belong to a cult, are susceptible to mass propaganda, are immune to facts and reason.

How to overcome that immunity, I wish I knew.

Hah Hah Hah. This thread is getting really close to naming he who shall not be named!

Like everything else, the cult thing works both sides of the aisle

Except that there's not full spectrum, 24/7 propaganda questioning the plandemic

[murphy_p_t]

I'm waiting for the new data that shows masks and lockdowns are effective at something other than destroying economies and creating fear and panic.

Before Wuhan was released into the world, were cloth face masks effective at minimizing the spread of viral infection?

If government funded studies now show that masks do minimize the spread of viral infection, should they be considered suspect because they are funded by the same government spreading the panic?

This sounds like we are rehashing the same subject again, from say, late spring 2020.

I can show you 100 studies that say yes. You can show likely show me 100 that say no.

And you can throw in all the mishandling of masks, touching, improper fit, etc. into that.

All I can say is my family and I have had nothing in the way of a cold or virus or Covid for >1 year now which is remarkable. Is it masks? Is it distancing? Not 100% sure.

Totally non-scientific here, but we were at a family birthday party last weekend. Sun was shining just right through a window to highlight a few people when they were talking. And it was plainly clear through just regular talking that they were unintentionally expelling droplets, sometimes clear across the table.

I would guess that were they wearing a mask, most of those would not have gone that distance.

So my unscientific analysis given the past year is masks seem to have some positive effect in reducing infections.

Here is reporting on a study which says "no"
.... Strangely, from one of the leading outlets pushing the plandemic

https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-03-10- ... covid.html

Perhaps the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing

[Cortopassi]

https://mobile.twitter.com/freespeechse ... 1542289408

I wonder if this has something to do with skepticism about the plandemic?

Sometimes it just isn't worth responding. Those nurses/workers, taking two minutes to relieve what is probably and certainly has been one of the most stress filled jobs in the world and you pooh pooh them. Whatever man.

Either that, or the ward is empty, as has been reported

I don't know if mathjak reads non-investing topics like this, but maybe a dose of his reality of being in the hospital and his care by the staff there is in order.

I am amazed at the level you are pushing this here, in March 2021, when there's actually, finally, a light at the end of the tunnel? I would have expected this last year, as lockdown talk was happening, anticipation of holiday related surges, etc.

But stuff is actually opening up! Even in blue states! Do people feel a need to keep the conspiracy "plandemic" aspects of this alive for some reason?

And regarding that CDC report, which I quickly skimmed -- you should be GLAD that they are actually reporting real, and not whitewashed findings on how masks affected transmission.

There's no doubt these conspiracy websites would:

1) Pooh pooh the report if it showed a high rate of reduction due to mask wearing or
2) Pooh pooh the mask mandate because they didn't do much.

It's a classic No Win situation.

[murphy_p_t]

"I am amazed at the level you are pushing this here"

I feel a sense of urgency because the authorities have moved to an invasive human experimentation program.... Namely, the so-called vaccine.

[Cortopassi]

"I am amazed at the level you are pushing this here"

I feel a sense of urgency because the authorities have moved to an invasive human experimentation program.... Namely, the so-called vaccine.

You and those you love don't have to get it. No one is coming to your home and strapping you down. I haven't gotten the flu shot for >5 years.

[murphy_p_t]

I'm not interested in being blocked from engaging in commerce as already been floated in the media. For example, not being able to get on an airliner, not being able to keep a job, not being able to go to a concert, who knows, they may even require it to go into a grocery store.

[SomeDude]

I'm not interested in being blocked from engaging in commerce as already been floated in the media. For example, not being able to get on an airliner, not being able to keep a job, not being able to go to a concert, who knows, they may even require it to go into a grocery store.

Get ready for the fight, this is coming quick. They want everyone getting these cocktails ASAP. It's beyond insane but look how many are clamoring for it. They can and will make up anything now to get everyone lined up for injections.

Branch Covidians, does this seem all ok with you? A supposed pandemic where all the numbers are obviously fake, you get cancelled online if you question it, and weirdo freak bill gates former employee rat face liar tells you that you need to wear three masks even during group sex and get an injection from his boss, a year after supposedly ummm....i guess people got sick.

Every day it looks more fake to me. At first i thought maybe there was something going on but now I'm almost certain it's make believe.

I know there are people here who know someone who knows someone etc. But this is the internet come on.

I spent 3 months with my daughter in a children's hospital last year (she's all good now). Zero evidence of covid. 100s of kids.....parents visiting them every day. A NICU with totally compromised kids and many black and inner city. Not one case ever i was there 150x over 84 days. No pandemic.

[Kbg]

I'm not interested in being blocked from engaging in commerce as already been floated in the media. For example, not being able to get on an airliner, not being able to keep a job, not being able to go to a concert, who knows, they may even require it to go into a grocery store.

Get ready for the fight, this is coming quick. They want everyone getting these cocktails ASAP. It's beyond insane but look how many are clamoring for it. They can and will make up anything now to get everyone lined up for injections.

Branch Covidians, does this seem all ok with you? A supposed pandemic where all the numbers are obviously fake, you get cancelled online if you question it, and weirdo freak bill gates former employee rat face liar tells you that you need to wear three masks even during group sex and get an injection from his boss, a year after supposedly ummm....i guess people got sick.

Every day it looks more fake to me. At first i thought maybe there was something going on but now I'm almost certain it's make believe.

I know there are people here who know someone who knows someone etc. But this is the internet come on.

I spent 3 months with my daughter in a children's hospital last year (she's all good now). Zero evidence of covid. 100s of kids.....parents visiting them every day. A NICU with totally compromised kids and many black and inner city. Not one case ever i was there 150x over 84 days. No pandemic.

I really miss David. Now I have to think for myself. It’s so hard.

Maybe I should go learn from that Q guy everyone has been talking about. What do you guys think?

Maybe I could join the vast left wing conspiracy and cancel everyone I don’t agree with? That sounds kinda fun.

Maybe I could join the vast right wing conspiracy, wear a red ball cap, get me some tactical gear and take over the government. That would be cool too.

Too many choices, too much info...maybe I’ll just chose a comfort zone and stuff everything into it. Gray is a bad color, no black, no white just blah.

I really miss David.

[Xan]

And regarding that CDC report, which I quickly skimmed -- you should be GLAD that they are actually reporting real, and not whitewashed findings on how masks affected transmission.

There's no doubt these conspiracy websites would:

1) Pooh pooh the report if it showed a high rate of reduction due to mask wearing or
2) Pooh pooh the mask mandate because they didn't do much.

It's a classic No Win situation.

The report is actually about the effectiveness of mask MANDATES, which is a very different question from whether or not masks themselves are effective. As the article pointed out, people who wear masks spend more time out of their homes. Classic Jevon's Paradox behavior. The study seems to indicate that masks do help in isolation, but that mask mandates may not, and masking in general may not either because it causes people to take more risks.

[Xan]

Ross Douthat of the New York Times has argued that a renewed public religiosity would take the "religion" back out of politics and lower the temperature of public discourse.

Here's an interesting article on this topic: about how politics has become our religion as actual religion declines. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/ar ... on/618072/

[Kbg]

P.S. SomeDude, I’m glad your daughter is well. I’m sure that was the best news of 2020 for you and hope whatever was going on is in the clear. Way less important, thanks for the best deal gold posts.

[Cortopassi]

Kbg , you ain’t kidding. There is a conspiracy lurking in every nook and cranny of the internet.

It gets old. But they seem to gather life so quickly. I should come up with one of my own.

[murphy_p_t]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/geoffwhitm ... ne-to-fly/

[murphy_p_t]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/18/us/e ... ndate.html

[Kbg]

I’ve always had a fondness for cartoonists and comedians who like to make fun of anything they see as absurd...this place has a certain bent of crazy that is fun to poke at. I should go find an ESG board and have some fun there as well where a different kind of crazy exists.

[murphy_p_t]

"There's no doubt these conspiracy websites would:

1) Pooh pooh the report if it showed a high rate of reduction due to mask wearing or
2) Pooh pooh the mask mandate because they didn't do much.

It's a classic No Win situation."


When I get time, I'll check and see if this takes the form of a cataloged false argument

[murphy_p_t]

Let me know if you also consider Forbes and New York times to be conspiracy theory websites

[Kbg]

If this is aimed at me, I fully expect it to happen.

But maybe you should consider this...

Why would a business implement such policies and why would they want a system that sorts out who has been vaccinated and who has not?

Let’s get the easy one out of the way, the govt is making them. Now that we have that out of the way why would they WANT to do it?

Think of this as the yes I can yes I can yes I can think independently exercise. Go for it, it could be liberating.

[murphy_p_t]

Ask Hank Aaron, Tiffany Dover, or Dr Gregory Michael, among others