Gyroscopic Investing

coasting wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2025 4:29 pm Putin's ambitions are not limited to 20% of Ukraine's territory.

dualstow wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2025 6:18 pm Putin’s own speeches make his lust for empire pretty clear.

I Shrugged wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2025 1:09 pm Are we talking about Belarus, or Hungary for example?

If it's Belarus, should we fight Russia to prevent it? I'm not trying to be a jerk. I think it's a very good question. My answer is no, it's none of our business.

ppnewbie wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2025 10:47 am Zelensky will be at the White House today to sell his country to the US.

yankees60 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2025 11:47 am Trump is truly a national embarrassment!

You would never believe this being described in some novel!

seajay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2025 1:13 pm

yankees60 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2025 11:47 am Trump is truly a national embarrassment!

You would never believe this being described in some novel!

I fear he may just have started the WW3 nuclear war. Given the history Ukrainians might rather die rather than surrender to Russia as Trump is telling Zelenskyy to do. Multiple Chernobyl's would spread contamination globally.

coasting wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2025 1:43 pm

seajay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2025 1:13 pm

yankees60 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2025 11:47 am Trump is truly a national embarrassment!

You would never believe this being described in some novel!

I fear he may just have started the WW3 nuclear war. Given the history Ukrainians might rather die rather than surrender to Russia as Trump is telling Zelenskyy to do. Multiple Chernobyl's would spread contamination globally.

I'm willing to give tariffs a try - the US needs to make the important stuff at home. I'm willing to give DOGE a try - government should be smaller and minimize fraud/waste/abuse. I'm willing to give the immigration approach a try - yes we need secure borders and people should enter the country legally. But Trump is so very wrong in his stance regarding Russia and Ukraine, and I'm not willing to back him here. He really makes himself look like a Russian asset.

seajay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2025 1:13 pm I fear he may just have started the WW3 nuclear war. Given the history Ukrainians might rather die rather than surrender to Russia as Trump is telling Zelenskyy to do. Multiple Chernobyl's would spread contamination globally.

dualstow wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2025 6:57 pm

seajay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2025 1:13 pm I fear he may just have started the WW3 nuclear war. Given the history Ukrainians might rather die rather than surrender to Russia as Trump is telling Zelenskyy to do. Multiple Chernobyl's would spread contamination globally.

I’ll make no excuses for Trump’s methods or lack of decorum in front of the camera.
But if you look at your second sentence, what you’re really saying is that Ukrainians would willfully start WW3 and nuclear war rather than make concessions surrender.

ppnewbie wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 1:23 am Very sad to watch Zelensky blow it so badly. IMHO He should resign so the war can end. Also Trump was skillfully handling Zelensky’s foolishness. Then Vance caused a serious problem. Vance is a young inexperienced guy who should have stayed quiet. If he had the deal would have closed.

seajay wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 4:52 am

ppnewbie wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 1:23 am Very sad to watch Zelensky blow it so badly. IMHO He should resign so the war can end. Also Trump was skillfully handling Zelensky’s foolishness. Then Vance caused a serious problem. Vance is a young inexperienced guy who should have stayed quiet. If he had the deal would have closed.

Intentional/by-design, planned throwing Zelenskky out of the White House and immediate cessation of military supply by the US .... because that's what Putin instructed. Trump could and should have stamped immediately upon Vance, instead he let it run for the TV's before even jumping in himself. A choreographed quarter hour show. Zelenskky has said thanks to many and often, yet Vance kicked off with a 'have you ever said thanks' comment. When Vance was asked about had he been to Ukraine he replied that he'd read things and seen things on TV/social media.

ppnewbie wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 8:31 am

seajay wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 4:52 am

ppnewbie wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 1:23 am Very sad to watch Zelensky blow it so badly. IMHO He should resign so the war can end. Also Trump was skillfully handling Zelensky’s foolishness. Then Vance caused a serious problem. Vance is a young inexperienced guy who should have stayed quiet. If he had the deal would have closed.

Intentional/by-design, planned throwing Zelenskky out of the White House and immediate cessation of military supply by the US .... because that's what Putin instructed. Trump could and should have stamped immediately upon Vance, instead he let it run for the TV's before even jumping in himself. A choreographed quarter hour show. Zelenskky has said thanks to many and often, yet Vance kicked off with a 'have you ever said thanks' comment. When Vance was asked about had he been to Ukraine he replied that he'd read things and seen things on TV/social media.

Vance did mention about Zelenskky having sent campaigners to Philadelphia - so clearly of child like mentality.

It was very strange when Vance jumped in. Before that it all seemed like the usual Trump show. A little shake down before lunch a press conference. But then boom Vance jumps in from no where completely out of context.

I will conceded it could have been a setup. I don’t think Putin was involved but who knows.

dualstow wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2025 6:57 pm

seajay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2025 1:13 pm I fear he may just have started the WW3 nuclear war. Given the history Ukrainians might rather die rather than surrender to Russia as Trump is telling Zelenskyy to do. Multiple Chernobyl's would spread contamination globally.

I’ll make no excuses for Trump’s methods or lack of decorum in front of the camera.
But if you look at your second sentence, what you’re really saying is that Ukrainians would willfully start WW3 and nuclear war rather than make concessions.

It’s taken me a long time to come around to this. I’ve always been pro-Ukraine. I disagree with the, for lack of a kinder characterization, the Putin apologists. I reject the idea that NATO made Putin feel nervous and forced his hand. Everything one needs to know about Putin is how he came to power, how he deals with his opponents, the ‘traitors’, and what he says in his own speeches.

Trump is no gentleman, and that’s something we’re all going to have to live with for a while. But he’s doing the opposite of starting world war three, in my opinion. He’s trying to end this, at least for some significant amount of time.

ppnewbie wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 1:23 am Very sad to watch Zelensky blow it so badly. IMHO He should resign so the war can end. Also Trump was skillfully handling Zelensky’s foolishness. Then Vance caused a serious problem. Vance is a young inexperienced guy who should have stayed quiet. If he had the deal would have closed.

seajay wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 4:42 am

dualstow wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2025 6:57 pm

seajay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2025 1:13 pm I fear he may just have started the WW3 nuclear war. Given the history Ukrainians might rather die rather than surrender to Russia as Trump is telling Zelenskyy to do. Multiple Chernobyl's would spread contamination globally.

I’ll make no excuses for Trump’s methods or lack of decorum in front of the camera.
But if you look at your second sentence, what you’re really saying is that Ukrainians would willfully start WW3 and nuclear war rather than make concessions surrender.

Yes. Trump posting "doesn't want peace" -> doesn't want to surrender. Any more than if say Mexico invaded/took Texas because the US had demilitarized on promises of a security umbrella. More so when being instructed to surrender unconditionally - where whatever lines drawn today might be re-tested by Putin subsequently.

I suspect that Europe will direct towards the redrawing of border lines, ascend the remainder of Ukraine into the EU such that it comes under its common/collective defense and NATO will fade away as a relic. With much animosity towards the US (European independent production/development of military hardware/technology), along with de-dolarization and raised (reciprocated) trade barriers with the US. Former allies falling in line with much of already elevated dislike of the US, further widening the current $1Tn/year US trade deficit and where settlements are demanded in gold not dollars. Assay of Fort Knox/elsewhere US gold will I suspect reveal low grade gold, bars smelted from former Americans coins, not the regular 0.9999 fineness as per audited European bars, such that 250 million ounces assumed $759Bn gold value may be just $500Bn or less, barely enough for six months of trade deficit cover.

In short could backfire massively for the US - relatively quickly (2025), compared to spending less to hold Putin to account and the subsequent upsides from that. Feels however very much like Putin has something on Trump.

seajay wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 4:52 am

ppnewbie wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 1:23 am Very sad to watch Zelensky blow it so badly. IMHO He should resign so the war can end. Also Trump was skillfully handling Zelensky’s foolishness. Then Vance caused a serious problem. Vance is a young inexperienced guy who should have stayed quiet. If he had the deal would have closed.

Intentional/by-design, planned throwing Zelenskky out of the White House and immediate cessation of military supply by the US .... because that's what Putin instructed. Trump could and should have stamped immediately upon Vance, instead he let it run for the TV's before even jumping in himself. A choreographed quarter hour show. Zelenskky has said thanks to many and often, yet Vance kicked off with a 'have you ever said thanks' comment. When Vance was asked about had he been to Ukraine he replied that he'd read things and seen things on TV/social media.