The P5+1 Agreement with Iran

[Reub]

So what's the bottom line with this treaty now.  We can actually trust Iran not to be the fox that guards the henhouse?

Let me try to answer your question, MG. Hell no! These left wing neolibs are on their way to causing a global catastrophe. They think its just a social experiment like putting the transgendered in charge of our govt and military.

[moda0306]

So what's the bottom line with this treaty now.  We can actually trust Iran not to be the fox that guards the henhouse?

Let me try to answer your question, MG. Hell no! These left wing neolibs are on their way to causing a global catastrophe. They think its just a social experiment like putting the transgendered in charge of our govt and military.

Since I know you don't really like laying out your case in a logical, define, clear manner, if you could send us to a source that most articulately makes the case for the huge threat of Iran, I'd love to peruse it.  Since you don't like to respond to me, consider it a favor to all the fence-sitting quasi-libertarians in our audience.

[moda0306]

So what's the bottom line with this treaty now.  We can actually trust Iran not to be the fox that guards the henhouse?

Let me try to answer your question, MG. Hell no! These left wing neolibs are on their way to causing a global catastrophe. They think its just a social experiment like putting the transgendered in charge of our govt and military.

That's it Reub, I'm sending this gentleman over to your house to administer some military discipline, trans-gender style.  When he tells you to "drop and give me 50," I suggest you do so. 

That is one tough looking chick! 

Though I think we should quit using antiquated terms and just cut to the chase... do you have a Y chromosome or do you not!?

Should we implement XX and XY bathrooms?

If it's not obvious, moda has switched to conservative mode.

[moda0306]

That is one tough looking chick! 

Though I think we should quit using antiquated terms and just cut to the chase... do you have a Y chromosome or do you not!?

Should we implement XX and XY bathrooms?

If it's not obvious, moda has switched to conservative mode.

Wow, that's a great point.  Seriously.  One could dress up however they like, modify body parts as desired, but when it comes time to pee or shower, ya gotta go in the XX or XY room.  That seems like the most reasonable solution.  The military could likewise have XY and XX troops.

I know!  I was pretty proud of myself for coming up with that.  As soon as the movement to allow state contracts to be open to gays turned into a movement to regulate bakeries and allow men to play women's basketball and women to try to press their "junk" against a urinal to relieve themselves in a men's bathroom I lost my liberal status on the "LGBT topic of the day."

My cousin's kid recently pronounced herself a guy, changed her name to Brandon or something, shaved her head, is taking hormones, is a drug addict, and has a host of mental health issues, but it's all being disguised in this PC "confusion" as to what she is.  Her parents and grandparents are losing their minds trying to help her (and her daughter who she had at the age of 17 or something).  This chick could turn Bernie Sanders into Archie Bunker in about 2 minutes.  Infuriating.

If you think you're a woman, fine.  But don't ask others to bend over backwards for your mental health issue (although I'm more than ok with mental health services for free for them)... and if you do, don't be upset if someday a guy in public runs around naked and comes up and takes a dump on a sidewalk in front of you, because he might just identify with a dog.

[Pointedstick]

I know!  I was pretty proud of myself for coming up with that.  As soon as the movement to allow state contracts to be open to gays turned into a movement to regulate bakeries and allow men to play women's basketball and women to try to press their "junk" against a urinal to relieve themselves in a men's bathroom I lost my liberal status on the "LGBT topic of the day."

My cousin's kid recently pronounced herself a guy, changed her name to Brandon or something, shaved her head, is taking hormones, is a drug addict, and has a host of mental health issues, but it's all being disguised in this PC "confusion" as to what she is.  Her parents and grandparents are losing their minds trying to help her (and her daughter who she had at the age of 17 or something).  This chick could turn Bernie Sanders into Archie Bunker in about 2 minutes.  Infuriating.

This has happened in a less dramatic fashion in a corner of my extended family as well. Back in high school I remember several people coming out as gay or bisexual who later returned to being straight as they grew up. I think the social cachet given to all of this alternative sexual identity stuff is terribly confusing for teenagers. Yet another case of the liberal obsession with exceptions to the detriment of the common case.

[moda0306]

I know!  I was pretty proud of myself for coming up with that.  As soon as the movement to allow state contracts to be open to gays turned into a movement to regulate bakeries and allow men to play women's basketball and women to try to press their "junk" against a urinal to relieve themselves in a men's bathroom I lost my liberal status on the "LGBT topic of the day."

My cousin's kid recently pronounced herself a guy, changed her name to Brandon or something, shaved her head, is taking hormones, is a drug addict, and has a host of mental health issues, but it's all being disguised in this PC "confusion" as to what she is.  Her parents and grandparents are losing their minds trying to help her (and her daughter who she had at the age of 17 or something).  This chick could turn Bernie Sanders into Archie Bunker in about 2 minutes.  Infuriating.

This has happened in a less dramatic fashion in a corner of my extended family as well. Back in high school I remember several people coming out as gay or bisexual who later returned to being straight as they grew up. I think the social cachet given to all of this alternative sexual identity stuff is terribly confusing for teenagers. Yet another case of the liberal obsession with exceptions to the detriment of the common case.

Well I can appreciate appeals to individuality, but a lot of this is about making sure that every sad sap on the planet feels special and loved as an individual, and less about teaching people to live intentionally and identify when they're being influenced by groupthink (which, ironically, I think many feminist/LGBT members are to an incredible degree).  I prefer the HB model.  Nobody's here to support me but me.  It's nobody's job to make me happy but me.  To the degree that people associate with me, it's because I'm of value in the social economy.  People need to learn this $hit.  If everyone thinks they're a precious snowflake who should be loved for whoever they might want to be that day, we're setting people up for mass-depression... though perhaps I'm being a bit harsh... it's not like we have a depression quasi-epidemic in this country right now or anything. 

I still think the vast majority of men who live gay lifestyles (or bisexual ones) are in-fact attracted to men.  Perhaps it's my Midwest roots, but if I were to find out I was gay tomorrow, I would be utterly terrified to tell 90% of my friends and family, and most of them are very open-minded about gayness in-general.  There is also a natural state to things that tie to evolution that aren't just about defending your tribe against outside people and opinions.  There are things that are hard-wired into us that it seems to me are silly and borderline unhealthy to ignore.  In most cases, it makes perfect sense for mothers to do a lot of the mothering duties while guys work, or for guys to do heavy work while women do lighter work.  I respect the hell out of any individual woman who can defy the odds and kick ass at a traditionally male activity (my nephew's baseball team's ringer is a girl, and it's awesome to see), but we can't all live our whole lives trying to "defy the odds" and hope that we'll be happy, productive or even good parents as a result, at both an individual and societal level.

[Pointedstick]

I agree with everything you said, Moda, particularly the mass depression part. It makes sense to me that the "perfect unique snowflake" school of thought has contributed to this because, a lot of people--and especially men--are NOT unique or special, and the world itself reflects that, more than ever, I would say. Gone are the days where a perfectly ordinary man of perfectly ordinary intelligence and social skills could easily go out and get a perfectly ordinary job and support himself and his family. Machines and computers have vaporized his job prospects unless he steps up and actually becomes special and unique at something.

I would posit that a lot of the non-mental-health-related shootings we've seen recently have been directly related to this phenomenon. There's so much anger from men who are frustrated that the world doesn't inherently value them despite their mediocrity or failure to succeed.

[MachineGhost]

and women to try to press their "junk" against a urinal to relieve themselves in a men's bathroom

What in the world???  No wonder I never use urinals.  Who the hell wants to see a freak show like that?

[MachineGhost]

and if you do, don't be upset if someday a guy in public runs around naked and comes up and takes a dump on a sidewalk in front of you, because he might just identify with a dog.

I'm pretty sure all the LGBT's in SF are used to that by now.

[MachineGhost]

I would posit that a lot of the non-mental-health-related shootings we've seen recently have been directly related to this phenomenon. There's so much anger from men who are frustrated that the world doesn't inherently value them despite their mediocrity or failure to succeed.

Really, which one are those?  Because they've all be mental-health related AFAIK.  Anti-depressants cause suicides and mass shootings by fucking with brain chemistry.  Does Big Pharma care?  Not one bit.

[Pointedstick]

I would posit that a lot of the non-mental-health-related shootings we've seen recently have been directly related to this phenomenon. There's so much anger from men who are frustrated that the world doesn't inherently value them despite their mediocrity or failure to succeed.

Really, which one are those?  Because they've all be mental-health related AFAIK.  Anti-depressants cause suicides and mass shootings by fucking with brain chemistry.  Does Big Pharma care?  Not one bit.

Well there's the latest one; the disgruntled reporter; the Vietnamese dude in New York who shot up the ESL center; Seung-Hui Cho had this going on in addition to his mental health issues. Quite a few I can think of.

[Xan]

and women to try to press their "junk" against a urinal to relieve themselves in a men's bathroom

What in the world???  No wonder I never use urinals.  Who the hell wants to see a freak show like that?

You don't?  Why not?

[MachineGhost]

You don't?  Why not?

Too much of a communal gay experience for me.  I never felt completely comfortable with other men being able to see my junk so they can size themselves up or vice versa.  I also don't like the piss backsplatter on your pants which is hard to avoid standing so close.  You got more maneuver room for pissing into a toilet from a few feet away (besides, its fun!).

[MachineGhost]

Well there's the latest one; the disgruntled reporter; the Vietnamese dude in New York who shot up the ESL center; Seung-Hui Cho had this going on in addition to his mental health issues. Quite a few I can think of.

I don't keep up or track all this negativity, but what was the deal with the community college shooting in Oregon?  Some kind of revenge thing for surviving France?

[Pointedstick]

Well there's the latest one; the disgruntled reporter; the Vietnamese dude in New York who shot up the ESL center; Seung-Hui Cho had this going on in addition to his mental health issues. Quite a few I can think of.

I don't keep up or track all this negativity, but what was the deal with the community college shooting in Oregon?  Some kind of revenge thing for surviving France?

The shooter was just a total loser. No friends, very withdrawn, bitter about life, uncomfortably intrigued by the attention and infamy that media coverage brought previous mass shooters. No indication of mental illness, just broken social skills. Caused by what, I couldn't say, but broken social skills nonetheless.

[Libertarian666]

I agree with everything you said, Moda, particularly the mass depression part. It makes sense to me that the "perfect unique snowflake" school of thought has contributed to this because, a lot of people--and especially men--are NOT unique or special, and the world itself reflects that, more than ever, I would say. Gone are the days where a perfectly ordinary man of perfectly ordinary intelligence and social skills could easily go out and get a perfectly ordinary job and support himself and his family. Machines and computers have vaporized his job prospects unless he steps up and actually becomes special and unique at something.

I would posit that a lot of the non-mental-health-related shootings we've seen recently have been directly related to this phenomenon. There's so much anger from men who are frustrated that the world doesn't inherently value them despite their mediocrity or failure to succeed.

I think pro-gun-control liberal women should start a charity in which they would have sex with the "moody loners with guns" so they wouldn't be as moody. 

[Reub]

I agree with everything you said, Moda, particularly the mass depression part. It makes sense to me that the "perfect unique snowflake" school of thought has contributed to this because, a lot of people--and especially men--are NOT unique or special, and the world itself reflects that, more than ever, I would say. Gone are the days where a perfectly ordinary man of perfectly ordinary intelligence and social skills could easily go out and get a perfectly ordinary job and support himself and his family. Machines and computers have vaporized his job prospects unless he steps up and actually becomes special and unique at something.

I would posit that a lot of the non-mental-health-related shootings we've seen recently have been directly related to this phenomenon. There's so much anger from men who are frustrated that the world doesn't inherently value them despite their mediocrity or failure to succeed.

I think pro-gun-control liberal women should start a charity in which they would have sex with the "moody loners with guns" so they wouldn't be as moody. 

Is that supposed to be funny?

[MachineGhost]

Good point.  I think the current climate goes way beyond acceptance to outright encouragement.  I heard an interview on the radio recently, describing a 5 year old boy who had "identified" as a girl, with the full support of his parents.  I doubt that experiment will end real well.

It's just the pendulum swinging the other away away from religious "reprogramming centers" and sexual repression.  It has to run its course of stupidity, then we'll swing back to the more rational middle ground.

[Reub]

Update on Iran:

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Iran-m ... id/705879/

"The medium-range Emad rocket that Iran tested in October was a ballistic missile capable of delivering a nuclear warhead, which makes it a violation of a U.N. Security Council resolution, a team of sanctions monitors said in a confidential new report.
The conclusion of the council's Panel of Experts on Iran will likely lead to calls for expanding sanctions against Tehran in Washington and some other Western capitals. The White House said on Tuesday that it would not rule out additional steps against Tehran over the missile test.

"On the basis of its analysis and findings the Panel concludes that Emad launch is a violation by Iran of paragraph 9 of Security Council resolution 1929," the panel said in its report."