Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2022 6:34 pm
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Everyone should visit Reddit occasionally not just to see what people think, but how they think.boglerdude wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 1:08 am https://old.reddit.com/r/news/comments/ ... e_at_port/
Reddit in shambles.
Is illegal immigration actually up over the last 10 years? Why? And why didnt they do this bus trick years ago
I don't really have a good answer. I usually scroll through looking for initial responses to the topic (posts that appear on the far left). I'll read some of the threaded comments but things deteriorate very quickly on Reddit so I won't bother to go too deep. Since I have zero intention of participating I don't get too hung up on comprehension.
It is often those on the left who recognize that the Left is eating itself.MangoMan wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 7:09 amYou know it's bad when a leftist is making this complaint. I guess he should have been more careful about what he wished for.yankees60 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 13, 2022 11:07 pm https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 43359.html
Whole Foods CEO says ‘socialists are taking over’ schools and gun control debate
The grocery store chain’s CEO claims leftists are taking over schools and corporations
Perhaps the left wing people are more willing to eat produce with insects, bird droppings, fungi, and assorted weed material. Just kidding - sort of! I worked for a large agricultural company that made herbicides, fungicides and insecticides. Extensive tests showed the vegtables and such produced using pesticides was higher quality and safer than that labeled natural or organic. But that was a few decades ago, perhaps things have changed since then. YMMV.doodle wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 11:08 am John Mackey has never been a 'leftist'
Another head scratcher for me....why are natural and organic grocers and health food stores generally associated with left wing? Wouldn't conservative food practices look more organically Amish than Monsanto and syngenta?
Yeah, the devil is in the details. Consider Bacillus Thuringiensis. It is a pesticide, but it's a living organism, so it's natural, organic and safe to consume.Mountaineer wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 12:40 pm Perhaps the left wing people are more willing to eat produce with insects, bird droppings, fungi, and assorted weed material. Just kidding - sort of! I worked for a large agricultural company that made herbicides, fungicides and insecticides. Extensive tests showed the vegtables and such produced using pesticides was higher quality and safer than that labeled natural or organic. But that was a few decades ago, perhaps things have changed since then. YMMV.
Right wing is more pro-business and anti-regulation? Just a guess; I don’t know the answer.doodle wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 11:08 am John Mackey has never been a 'leftist'
Another head scratcher for me....why are natural and organic grocers and health food stores generally associated with left wing? Wouldn't conservative food practices look more organically Amish than Monsanto and syngenta?
Before I got to the part where you clarified it's a pesticide, I thought you were talking about a Roman emperorJack Jones wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 2:29 pmYeah, the devil is in the details. Consider Bacillus Thuringiensis. It is a pesticide, but it's a living organism, so it's natural, organic and safe to consume.Mountaineer wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 12:40 pm Perhaps the left wing people are more willing to eat produce with insects, bird droppings, fungi, and assorted weed material. Just kidding - sort of! I worked for a large agricultural company that made herbicides, fungicides and insecticides. Extensive tests showed the vegtables and such produced using pesticides was higher quality and safer than that labeled natural or organic. But that was a few decades ago, perhaps things have changed since then. YMMV.
Jack Jones wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 2:29 pmYeah, the devil is in the details. Consider Bacillus Thuringiensis. It is a pesticide, but it's a living organism, so it's natural, organic and safe to consume.Mountaineer wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 12:40 pm Perhaps the left wing people are more willing to eat produce with insects, bird droppings, fungi, and assorted weed material. Just kidding - sort of! I worked for a large agricultural company that made herbicides, fungicides and insecticides. Extensive tests showed the vegtables and such produced using pesticides was higher quality and safer than that labeled natural or organic. But that was a few decades ago, perhaps things have changed since then. YMMV.
How do either of those stances have anything to do with Organic foods?dualstow wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 2:36 pmRight wing is more pro-business and anti-regulation? Just a guess; I don’t know the answer.doodle wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 11:08 am John Mackey has never been a 'leftist'
Another head scratcher for me....why are natural and organic grocers and health food stores generally associated with left wing? Wouldn't conservative food practices look more organically Amish than Monsanto and syngenta?
While there are organic-oriented corporations — not least of them Whole Foods — I think there are many more organic mom n’ pop stores and more chemical ( food additives, pesticides ) corporations, Big Business. Not too many Mom ‘n’ Pop pesticide shops.joypog wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 3:07 pmHow do either of those stances have anything to do with Organic foods?dualstow wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 2:36 pmRight wing is more pro-business and anti-regulation? Just a guess; I don’t know the answer.doodle wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 11:08 am John Mackey has never been a 'leftist'
Another head scratcher for me....why are natural and organic grocers and health food stores generally associated with left wing? Wouldn't conservative food practices look more organically Amish than Monsanto and syngenta?
The only regulation I could imagine is labeling requirements, but that is a basic role of government in the marketplace.
I think there is a big difference between "right wing" and "conservative" these days. They used to be synonymous, not anymore. I consider myself an actual conservative and most right wing folks have no idea what political conservativism is. I'm a bit of a tree hugger as well, worked for the Forest Service for a summer and have always enjoyed the outdoors. I think a significant problem with many of the mainstream environmental organizations is that they've been unbelievably unrealistic and uncompromising and because of that they've made a lot of enemies along the way...so as is typical the extremists on both sides win out and nothing beneficial happens. There does seem to be some rethinking though. I would say the "smart" environmentalists are beginning to understand that an environment is only truly protected when those who live on it and around it are bought in to the preservation of it.doodle wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:00 pm Definitely aware that organic pesticides and methods of growing are not necessarily healthier or safer. It's a mistake to think natural equals safer or better.
The point I'm trying to make is that it strikes me as strange that conservatives don't seem to want to conserve anything......in many ways they seem quite radical and progressive in their pursuit of economic growth and profit at all cost. I would think conservatives would be the party of slow and steady and most concerned with preserving the Earth's natural environment. They seem enamored with scientific advancements that change humans traditional relationship to our environment but not very interested in scientific studies pertaining to how these technologies impact and change our planet in perhaps negative ways. They seem to have a lot of risk tolerance when it comes to altering our planets systems when i would think they would be rather risk adverse towards that in general.
.Desert wrote: ↑Tue Aug 16, 2022 12:23 pm The last several posts are particularly interesting, and I agree with most of the content.
One thing to add: I've never found a lot of coherence in the set of views that is considered conservative or liberal (or right/left, if you prefer) at a given time.
For example, I find the following list to be coherent and complementary:
1. Pro-life
2. Pro environment
3. Pro birth control
Neither of today's parties would support all three, so I'm left voting for the least-bad candidates. But as individuals, we are free to hold whatever combination of views we find to be morally defensible, without regard to the constraints of what's considered right or left at the moment.
I also strongly agree with Xan's point regarding focus: It's terribly counterproductive to mix other left views with environmentalism. Environmentalism is the most conservative view there is (going back to the garden, for us Bible thumpers). And it just makes sense; we don't pee in the swimming pool (our own, at least), because we're going to be hanging out in there. It's in all our interests to keep the environment clean.