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Me too. But I must ask, which version is it you prefer?Hal wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:50 pm I prefer the Golden Rule
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rule
Version 1. But that concept is becoming obsolete,Mountaineer wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:20 amMe too. But I must ask, which version is it you prefer?Hal wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:50 pm I prefer the Golden Rule
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rule
Version 1. Do unto others as you would have them do to you, or
Version 2. He who holds the gold makes the rules.
I think I know the answer for most politicians.
Vendors don't generally kill off their customers, as that's bad for business.
The only problem with the Golden Rule is that people are often too shortsighted to realize that it is in their interest to follow it.Hal wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:50 pm I prefer the Golden Rule
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rule
I wasn't aware that Libertarians as a whole are that in love with Trump. Other than his penchant for giving the middle finger to the establishment and making liberals and Hollywood get their panties in a bunch for 4 years I don't think most real Libertarians would consider Trump likeminded on most issues.glennds wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:56 am I'm pretty sure the 14 asshats that were plotting to kidnap the Governor of Michigan are purist Libertarians.
If you read down their list of principles, it lines up pretty much exactly. Ranging from the Left/Communism, Government/Tyranny, the Constitution/ (insert pretty much anything), the deep state, Bill Gates, OrangeMan me likey, on and on.
What's with the beards?
Well I think glennds comment above tried to put Trump and his supporters into the libertarian/militia camp. And the MSM does that a lot. Anyone who is opposed to central planning by the political class is automatically suspected of making pipe bombs in their garage and is somehow now an avid Trump supporter.Libertarian666 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 5:07 pmOf course Trump isn't a libertarian. No one claimed he was.jalanlong wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:13 pmI wasn't aware that Libertarians as a whole are that in love with Trump. Other than his penchant for giving the middle finger to the establishment and making liberals and Hollywood get their panties in a bunch for 4 years I don't think most real Libertarians would consider Trump likeminded on most issues.glennds wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:56 am I'm pretty sure the 14 asshats that were plotting to kidnap the Governor of Michigan are purist Libertarians.
If you read down their list of principles, it lines up pretty much exactly. Ranging from the Left/Communism, Government/Tyranny, the Constitution/ (insert pretty much anything), the deep state, Bill Gates, OrangeMan me likey, on and on.
What's with the beards?
Well that's not what I was intending to say. In reading down the list of principles of the 14 perpetrators of the Whitmer kidnapping plot, the list looks strikingly similar to the list as I know it of Libertarian principles.jalanlong wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:06 pmWell I think glennds comment above tried to put Trump and his supporters into the libertarian/militia camp. And the MSM does that a lot. Anyone who is opposed to central planning by the political class is automatically suspected of making pipe bombs in their garage and is somehow now an avid Trump supporter.Libertarian666 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 5:07 pmOf course Trump isn't a libertarian. No one claimed he was.jalanlong wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:13 pmI wasn't aware that Libertarians as a whole are that in love with Trump. Other than his penchant for giving the middle finger to the establishment and making liberals and Hollywood get their panties in a bunch for 4 years I don't think most real Libertarians would consider Trump likeminded on most issues.glennds wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:56 am I'm pretty sure the 14 asshats that were plotting to kidnap the Governor of Michigan are purist Libertarians.
If you read down their list of principles, it lines up pretty much exactly. Ranging from the Left/Communism, Government/Tyranny, the Constitution/ (insert pretty much anything), the deep state, Bill Gates, OrangeMan me likey, on and on.
What's with the beards?
ObviouslyLibertarian666 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:12 pmYes, obviously. And probably collects Nazi regalia!jalanlong wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:06 pmWell I think glennds comment above tried to put Trump and his supporters into the libertarian/militia camp. And the MSM does that a lot. Anyone who is opposed to central planning by the political class is automatically suspected of making pipe bombs in their garage and is somehow now an avid Trump supporter.Libertarian666 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 5:07 pmOf course Trump isn't a libertarian. No one claimed he was.jalanlong wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:13 pmI wasn't aware that Libertarians as a whole are that in love with Trump. Other than his penchant for giving the middle finger to the establishment and making liberals and Hollywood get their panties in a bunch for 4 years I don't think most real Libertarians would consider Trump likeminded on most issues.glennds wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:56 am I'm pretty sure the 14 asshats that were plotting to kidnap the Governor of Michigan are purist Libertarians.
If you read down their list of principles, it lines up pretty much exactly. Ranging from the Left/Communism, Government/Tyranny, the Constitution/ (insert pretty much anything), the deep state, Bill Gates, OrangeMan me likey, on and on.
What's with the beards?
Just curious, why do you not subscribe to the theory that having Trump (or any Republican) in the White House when the debt spirals out of control and the economy craters will get Capitalism and "big business" blamed and end up with much more damaging socialism than you would have if Biden/Harris were in office?Libertarian666 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 5:07 pmOf course Trump isn't a libertarian. No one claimed he was.jalanlong wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:13 pmI wasn't aware that Libertarians as a whole are that in love with Trump. Other than his penchant for giving the middle finger to the establishment and making liberals and Hollywood get their panties in a bunch for 4 years I don't think most real Libertarians would consider Trump likeminded on most issues.glennds wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:56 am I'm pretty sure the 14 asshats that were plotting to kidnap the Governor of Michigan are purist Libertarians.
If you read down their list of principles, it lines up pretty much exactly. Ranging from the Left/Communism, Government/Tyranny, the Constitution/ (insert pretty much anything), the deep state, Bill Gates, OrangeMan me likey, on and on.
What's with the beards?
But he is the least non-libertarian President of my lifetime: no new wars, tax cuts, regulation cuts, the Right to Try Act, among other things libertarians support.
Whereas Biden is the most corrupt candidate of my lifetime, maybe not even excluding Hillary, although that's a close one.
That makes it pretty easy for me to make up my mind.
Of course. Unfortunately as a Libertarian my concern is that most average citizens have very little exposure to the philosophy and really only hear the term anti-government when it is tied together with people planning violent acts.glennds wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:25 pm
If I have a point, it may be that most all of the political ideologies have some merit to them, until of course they are taken to the extreme at which point they become absurd.
The idiots who plotted to kidnap the Governor are an example of taking Libertarian or Libertarian-like principles to the absurd. They convinced (deluded?) themselves that they were fighting tyranny in the defense of liberty. In reality they were nutjobs that became domestic terrorists, even if they didn't start out that way.
That's about par for the course with leftists. They can't even meme.pp4me wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 7:46 am I don't get how Paul Ryan belongs in that picture. Never thought of him as a libertarian. Was someone thinking of Ron Paul, Rand's father?
Also, the government actually did intentionally poison people with tainted alcohol during prohibition. That's not a conspiracy theory but a well documented fact.
Techno, your BDS is redlining. You need to chill on the right wing propaganda or your liberal induced hypertension is going to kill you before the election is even over. Maybe go light a few candles in front of your idol of Trump and do some mantra chanting......itsss goinggg to beeee treeemendoussssLibertarian666 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:54 amOf course I'm concerned about the debt spiraling out of control.jalanlong wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 7:42 amJust curious, why do you not subscribe to the theory that having Trump (or any Republican) in the White House when the debt spirals out of control and the economy craters will get Capitalism and "big business" blamed and end up with much more damaging socialism than you would have if Biden/Harris were in office?Libertarian666 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 5:07 pmOf course Trump isn't a libertarian. No one claimed he was.jalanlong wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:13 pmI wasn't aware that Libertarians as a whole are that in love with Trump. Other than his penchant for giving the middle finger to the establishment and making liberals and Hollywood get their panties in a bunch for 4 years I don't think most real Libertarians would consider Trump likeminded on most issues.glennds wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:56 am I'm pretty sure the 14 asshats that were plotting to kidnap the Governor of Michigan are purist Libertarians.
If you read down their list of principles, it lines up pretty much exactly. Ranging from the Left/Communism, Government/Tyranny, the Constitution/ (insert pretty much anything), the deep state, Bill Gates, OrangeMan me likey, on and on.
What's with the beards?
But he is the least non-libertarian President of my lifetime: no new wars, tax cuts, regulation cuts, the Right to Try Act, among other things libertarians support.
Whereas Biden is the most corrupt candidate of my lifetime, maybe not even excluding Hillary, although that's a close one.
That makes it pretty easy for me to make up my mind.
But if the radical left gets into power, that will be the least of our worries.
Because they will destroy what's left of the Republic in short order.
They will pack the Court, legalize all the illegals, open the borders, add new states to elect Democrat Senators, and eliminate the electoral college by statute.
Are you counting on the Constitution to stop them? Their captive Supreme Court won't agree.
That chicken doesn't sound too charming to me either. But I will point out that fresh water fish can have parasites (and is allowed to be sold) and most cattle and pigs "have had" diseases (but yet they are sold). There apparently is a belief that the consumer has some responsibility to prepare food correctly before consuming. And, early in the article there was a phrase "have had", then later it sounded like the chickens "have now" at the slaughter house. Which is it? Is this a fact problem, or a writer problem in describing the facts? I couldn't tell.doodle wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:31 am Why isn't the free market fixing this?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/nutr ... -BB18af1z
In 1978 the first Jackson/Teton County Comprehensive Plan recognized the threats of unregulated septic systems and other development to water quality in Jackson Hole. The need to protect ground and surface water was called an “essential component” of the plan. Little was done, and the 1994 plan revisions dropped the clean water section altogether.
Today those threats have increased, and water quality is declining in parts of the valley. The Snake River Aquifer, the pure gravel river that flows beneath the valley, is our “sole source drinking water aquifer” in Environmental Protection Agency parlance. It is being contaminated, primarily by human sewage.
Teton County has 114 private water systems, the most in the state, all with separate boards and little coordination. Only three have source water protection plans, required by the Safe Drinking Water Act and in place in every state except Wyoming.
Their reputation? Bad rep = low profits regardless of whether a law is in place. Pass the soylent green please, with a glass of Domaine de la Romanée-Conti Romanée-Conti Grand Cru, 1984 vintage.
IE, they are legit (according to the FDA regulations that don't jive with meathead expectations), and scientifically backed (meaningless phrase, in this context).Similarly, a lab test of MusclePharm’s “Arnold Scharzenegger Series Iron Mass” revealed that just 19 of the promised 40 grams of protein were present, according to exhibits in the lawsuit. Prior to the lab test results, MusclePharm denied over Twitter that it spiked its products.
@JakeHenderson39 Those are fake then. We don't do anything like that. All products legit and scientifically backed — MusclePharm® (@MusclePharm) June 13, 2014
The supplement industry is terrifying. The complete lack of regulation/oversight has to make anyone wonder what exactly they are consuming in these products. It's very complicated. How do we trust the independent testers as opposed to FDA? Maybe they are paid off as well with corporate money. It's come to light that most Amazon reviews now are fake. How does one trust anything?Kriegsspiel wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:46 am What if government regulations were facilitating companies being bad actors? My example is something near and dear to my heart, protein powder. Independent lab testing (which comports well with libertarian principles, IMO) has shown that many brands of protein powder contain less than half of the protein on the label.
The companies found a loophole in the FDA regulation that lets them substitute cheap amino acids in place of complete protein. So now they're being sued because people are buying protein powder that should contain all the amino acids, not individual amino acids. One company's defense is going to be that they are fully compliant with FDA regulations. My guess is that their lawyers/PR people have figured out that they will probably win the lawsuit, and they'll take less of a reputation hit because most people won't bother to figure out what they were doing, and since they never admitted they did something wrong/misleading, pointing to the fact that they complied with all FDA regulations, they'll come out ok.
One tactic they'll use is one that Tim Pool has made us all aware of, the "lying with facts" one. Where you can say something that's technically true, but you're really lying in the human-interaction sense of the word:
IE, they are legit (according to the FDA regulations that don't jive with meathead expectations), and scientifically backed (meaningless phrase, in this context).Similarly, a lab test of MusclePharm’s “Arnold Scharzenegger Series Iron Mass” revealed that just 19 of the promised 40 grams of protein were present, according to exhibits in the lawsuit. Prior to the lab test results, MusclePharm denied over Twitter that it spiked its products.
@JakeHenderson39 Those are fake then. We don't do anything like that. All products legit and scientifically backed — MusclePharm® (@MusclePharm) June 13, 2014
Link.