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A new ETF for 30 year bonds

Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2025 9:52 am
by ppnewbie
I usually buy the full 30 year bonds to get the max duration and volatility. But to do that I have to buy individual bonds. Which is kind of a hassle. I heard about these ETFs on the Meb Faber podcast recently.

https://www.fminvest.com/etfs

Re: A new ETF for 30 year bonds

Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2025 1:36 pm
by dualstow
How about VGLT?

Re: A new ETF for 30 year bonds

Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2025 2:09 pm
by ppnewbie
Average duration is 14 years.

Re: A new ETF for 30 year bonds

Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2025 3:35 pm
by dualstow
ppnewbie wrote: Sun Oct 12, 2025 2:09 pm Average duration is 14 years.
Darn. I was thinking about buying some VGLT as a bit of market timing before the next big stock crash (which I always get wrong).
Average “effective maturity” is 22 years, but the duration is no good. (EDV’s is 24 years). I will look no further.
https://investor.vanguard.com/investmen ... omposition

So you’re looking at UTHY.
Underlying Bond:
The US Treasury auctions a new 30-Year Treasury bond each quarter. The auction will determine the coupon rate of each new on-the-run' bond. Once the auction is complete and can be settled, UTHY will sell the currently held, old 30-Year US Treasury and roll into the newly issued 30-Year US Treasury.
Interesting. But the effective duration is almost the same as VGLT? 15.77 ???

Re: A new ETF for 30 year bonds

Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2025 9:03 am
by welderwannabe
The effective duration of a new issue 30 year Treasury is in the 16-17 year range. Remember duration decreases as coupon increases.

Only way to do any better is to buy STRIPS, since their coupon is 0 (or an ETF like EDV that contains them).

Re: A new ETF for 30 year bonds

Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2025 12:48 am
by boglerdude
TMF Leveraged long bonds. I'm too much of a coward to do it but HEFA is how OG hedge funds got rich. You count on the bailout.

https://old.reddit.com/r/LETFs/comments ... _improved/