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The Gold & Silver War at MF Global; it's getting ugly

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:45 pm
by Ad Orientem
Investors are furious that they can't get back the gold and silver they stashed with the failed brokerage.

It's one thing for $1.2 billion to vanish into thin air through a series of complex trades, the well-publicized phenomenon at bankrupt MF Global. It's something else for a bar of silver stashed in a vault to instantly shrink in size by more than 25%.

That, in essence, is what's happening to investors whose bars of silver and gold were held through accounts with MF Global.

The trustee overseeing the liquidation of the failed brokerage has proposed dumping all remaining customer assets—gold, silver, cash, options, futures and commodities—into a single pool that would pay customers only 72% of the value of their holdings. In other words, while traders already may have paid the full price for delivery of specific bars of gold or silver—and hold "warehouse receipts" to prove it—they'll have to forfeit 28% of the value.

That has investors fuming. "Warehouse receipts, like gold bars, are our property, 100%," contends John Roe, a partner in BTR Trading, a Chicago futures-trading firm. He personally lost several hundred thousand dollars in investments via MF Global; his clients lost even more. "We are a unique class, and instead, the trustee is doing a radical redistribution of property," he says.

Roe and others point out that, unlike other MF Global customers, who held paper assets, those with warehouse receipts have claims on assets that still exist and can be readily identified.

The tussle has been obscured by former CEO Jon Corzine's appearances on Capitol Hill. But it's a burning issue for the Commodity Customer Coalition, a group that says it represents some 8,000 investors—many of them hedge funds—with exposure to MF Global. "I've issued a declaration of war," says James Koutoulas, lead attorney for the group, and CEO of Typhon Capital Management.

At stake is an unspecified, but apparently large, volume of gold and silver bars slated for delivery to traders through accounts at MF Global, which filed for bankruptcy on Oct. 31. Adding insult to the injury: Of the 28% haircut, attorney and liquidation trustee James Giddens has frozen all asset classes, meaning that traders have sat helplessly as silver prices have dropped 31% since late August, and gold has fallen 16%. To boot, the traders are still being assessed fees for storage of the commodities.
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Re: The Gold & Silver War at MF Global; it's getting ugly

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 8:08 am
by TripleB
Interesting to see how this plays out. I suppose the alternative to accepting 72% on the dollar for your reserved gold holdings would be to hire an attorney and sue them. The attorney receives 35% contingency fee, so you'd wind up with 65% on the dollar.

Re: The Gold & Silver War at MF Global; it's getting ugly

Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 1:55 pm
by FarmerD
Gonzalo Lira has an interesting bit to add to this:

"Brokerage firms hold clients’ money in what are known as segregated accounts. This is the money that brokerage firms hold for when a customer makes a trade. If a brokerage firm goes bankrupt, these monies are never touched—because they never belonged to the firm, and thus are not part of its assets…..

But when MF Global went bankrupt, these segregated accounts—that is, the content of those safe deposit boxes—were taken away from their rightful owners—that is, MF Global’s customers—and then used to pay off other creditors: That is, JPMorgan.......

Thus these 40,000 MF Global customers had their money stolen—there’s no polite way to characterize what happened. And this theft was not carried out by MF Global—it was carried out by the authorities who were charged with handling the firm’s bankruptcy."


http://gonzalolira.blogspot.com/

Scary thought that regulators changed the rules to favor the big institution over the individual investors.  Makes you wonder what would happen if, say, GLD went under.  Us little guys would get screwed?  The lesson here is to heed Harry Brown's advice and try to reduce counterparty risk as much as possible.

Buy Treasury direct, hold physical gold. 

Re: The Gold & Silver War at MF Global; it's getting ugly

Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 10:46 am
by MachineGhost
Wow.  Any word on if these were segregated or nonsegregated bars or are we talking about taking delivery of expired futures contracts?

MG
Ad Orientem wrote:
Investors are furious that they can't get back the gold and silver they stashed with the failed brokerage.

It's one thing for $1.2 billion to vanish into thin air through a series of complex trades, the well-publicized phenomenon at bankrupt MF Global. It's something else for a bar of silver stashed in a vault to instantly shrink in size by more than 25%.

That, in essence, is what's happening to investors whose bars of silver and gold were held through accounts with MF Global.

The trustee overseeing the liquidation of the failed brokerage has proposed dumping all remaining customer assets—gold, silver, cash, options, futures and commodities—into a single pool that would pay customers only 72% of the value of their holdings. In other words, while traders already may have paid the full price for delivery of specific bars of gold or silver—and hold "warehouse receipts" to prove it—they'll have to forfeit 28% of the value.

That has investors fuming. "Warehouse receipts, like gold bars, are our property, 100%," contends John Roe, a partner in BTR Trading, a Chicago futures-trading firm. He personally lost several hundred thousand dollars in investments via MF Global; his clients lost even more. "We are a unique class, and instead, the trustee is doing a radical redistribution of property," he says.

Roe and others point out that, unlike other MF Global customers, who held paper assets, those with warehouse receipts have claims on assets that still exist and can be readily identified.

The tussle has been obscured by former CEO Jon Corzine's appearances on Capitol Hill. But it's a burning issue for the Commodity Customer Coalition, a group that says it represents some 8,000 investors—many of them hedge funds—with exposure to MF Global. "I've issued a declaration of war," says James Koutoulas, lead attorney for the group, and CEO of Typhon Capital Management.

At stake is an unspecified, but apparently large, volume of gold and silver bars slated for delivery to traders through accounts at MF Global, which filed for bankruptcy on Oct. 31. Adding insult to the injury: Of the 28% haircut, attorney and liquidation trustee James Giddens has frozen all asset classes, meaning that traders have sat helplessly as silver prices have dropped 31% since late August, and gold has fallen 16%. To boot, the traders are still being assessed fees for storage of the commodities.
Read the rest here.

Re: The Gold & Silver War at MF Global; it's getting ugly

Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 11:58 pm
by Ad Orientem
I definitely see big profits from this mess... for trial lawyers.

Re: The Gold & Silver War at MF Global; it's getting ugly

Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 10:51 am
by Storm
TripleB wrote: Interesting to see how this plays out. I suppose the alternative to accepting 72% on the dollar for your reserved gold holdings would be to hire an attorney and sue them. The attorney receives 35% contingency fee, so you'd wind up with 65% on the dollar.
I think the best thing to do would be to take the 72% payout, then sue for the remaining 28%.  Assuming you win, you should get 28%+ attorney's fees, so you should be made whole again.  Whole from what money, that is the real question.