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Treasury's Lew warns that U.S. default could happen quickly

Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 2:48 pm
by Kshartle
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/treasury- ... iness.html

Some telling statements:

Washington is due to reinstate a limit on its borrowing at the end of this week and Treasury Secretary Jack Lew said the administration can use accounting measures to stay under the new cap until the end of February. After that time, "very soon it would not be possible to meet all of the obligations of the federal government," Lew said at an event hosted by the Bipartisan Policy Center, a prominent Washington think tank.

Washington has danced perilously close to the edge of default several times since 2011, and this year some Republicans pledge to extract policy concessions from Democrats before they allow the debt limit to rise. The administration has vowed not to negotiate on the matter, and Lew said public finances are in good enough shape that long-term fiscal problems don't have to be solved this year anyway.

"I'm not sure this is the year for the long-term fiscal challenge to be dealt with," Lew said. "We have a little time to deal with the longer term."

Once it loses the ability to borrow, Treasury would pay its bills by relying on incoming revenue and any cash left in public coffers.

No one is sure when the money would run out and lead to missed payments on everything from Social Security pensions to interest on the national debt. Lew said the end of February is a particularly bad time to start relying on a cash cushion. This is because the government at that time is mailing out tax refunds, so the Treasury thinks it would burn through its remaining cash more quickly than it would at other times of the year. Many economists think a U.S. default could trigger a financial panic and perhaps even an economic depression, and Lew urged lawmakers to act swiftly to raise the debt ceiling.


So basically they are going to kick the can down the road, continue spending, raise the debt limit and pretend that at some point the economy will be generating enough tax revenue that they won't need to keep borrowing. This is pure fantasy. They cannot cut the budget ever and will never. They will run out of people willing to throw their money away by loaning it to a deadbeat with no hope of repayment (gubmit). That means they will just print it. Lew knows it. He knows there is no risk of default since they can just print (or make a trillion dollar coin). He can't say that though. They have to maintain the lie that they will not destroy the dollar to prevent a run on it.

Re: Treasury's Lew warns that U.S. default could happen quickly

Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 6:55 pm
by ns3
The very same news article seems to get recycled about every 3 to 6 months.

Quote from the article - almost identical to one I read several months ago...

Many economists think a U.S. default could trigger a financial panic and perhaps even an economic depression, and Lew urged lawmakers to act swiftly to raise the debt ceiling.

That is one sentence I actually agree with - not the part about acting quickly to raise the debt ceiling but the part about the financial panic and economic depression if America the USG actually defaults.

Re: Treasury's Lew warns that U.S. default could happen quickly

Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 2:19 pm
by sophie
That's because Congress pushes us to the brink about that often.  Isn't this going to be a rerun of last October?

Not sure what the cause celebre will be this time around, but either way I guarantee that Treasury will draw a line in the sand, and Congress will pass a bill at 12:05 AM on the date specified to start the whole process over again in another 3-6 months.  Then Treasury will quietly admit they fudged by a few days just in case.  Lather, rinse, repeat.  After enough cycles like this, no one will notice anymore except that Wall Street will make it clear to Congress what will happen to them personally if they actually do anything stupid.

Re: Treasury's Lew warns that U.S. default could happen quickly

Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 2:22 pm
by Kshartle
sophie wrote: That's because Congress pushes us to the brink about that often.  Isn't this going to be a rerun of last October?

Not sure what the cause celebre will be this time around, but either way I guarantee that Treasury will draw a line in the sand, and Congress will pass a bill at 12:05 AM on the date specified to start the whole process over again in another 3-6 months.  Then Treasury will quietly admit they fudged by a few days just in case.  Lather, rinse, repeat.  After enough cycles like this, no one will notice anymore except that Wall Street will make it clear to Congress what will happen to them personally if they actually do anything stupid.
Once interest rates rise there will be no more road left to kick the can down.

The debt is the cliff at the end of the road and it's getting deeper and deeper.

Re: Treasury's Lew warns that U.S. default could happen quickly

Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 8:42 pm
by WildAboutHarry
[quote='Kshartle']The debt is the cliff at the end of the road and it's getting deeper and deeper.[/quote]

I think you are, perhaps, mixing metaphors.  If it is a cliff, it is getting higher.  On the other hand, if it is a pit then it could be getting deeper :)

Re: Treasury's Lew warns that U.S. default could happen quickly

Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:14 pm
by dragoncar
WildAboutHarry wrote:
Kshartle wrote:The debt is the cliff at the end of the road and it's getting deeper and deeper.
I think you are, perhaps, mixing metaphors.  If it is a cliff, it is getting higher.  On the other hand, if it is a pit then it could be getting deeper :)
If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes should fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.

Re: Treasury's Lew warns that U.S. default could happen quickly

Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 8:04 am
by Kshartle
WildAboutHarry wrote:
Kshartle wrote:The debt is the cliff at the end of the road and it's getting deeper and deeper.
I think you are, perhaps, mixing metaphors.  If it is a cliff, it is getting higher.  On the other hand, if it is a pit then it could be getting deeper :)
Yes...the pit. And it's getting spikes added like the bridge in Mortal Kombat.

Re: Treasury's Lew warns that U.S. default could happen quickly

Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2014 3:09 pm
by Libertarian666
dragoncar wrote:
WildAboutHarry wrote:
Kshartle wrote:The debt is the cliff at the end of the road and it's getting deeper and deeper.
I think you are, perhaps, mixing metaphors.  If it is a cliff, it is getting higher.  On the other hand, if it is a pit then it could be getting deeper :)
If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes should fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.
Exactly!