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for VP consisting of precious metals, mining shares...use EDV as hedge?
Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 4:13 am
by murphy_p_t
i'm looking for thoughts on using EDV as hedge to a VP which is heavily into precious metals and mining shares (precious metals, rare earths, uranium)..i came up with the idea after hearing some of the discussion of EDV.
Re: for VP consisting of precious metals, mining shares...use EDV as hedge?
Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 10:08 am
by Wonk
murphy_p_t wrote:
i'm looking for thoughts on using EDV as hedge to a VP which is heavily into precious metals and mining shares (precious metals, rare earths, uranium)..i came up with the idea after hearing some of the discussion of EDV.
Wow, you just described my VP! I've been 80% in physical precious metals and mining shares for a while now. I'm not hedged but I do have a cash account equal to 2 year's expenses. Precious metals volatility is not for the faint of heart (some junior miners down 80-90% in 2008). But I'm a big believer in adaptation, so the 30-50% swings that are commonplace don't affect me like they used to. If you are considering this type of portfolio, do a big gut-check on your risk tolerance--especially during major corrections. The last thing you need is to panic at a bottom.
Out of curiosity, I plugged in a 33-33-33 GLD/GDX/EDV into smartmoney.com starting 1.1.06. As of today, total return is about 61% and the largest correction appeared to be in '08 @ about 30% drawdown.
Re: for VP consisting of precious metals, mining shares...use EDV as hedge?
Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 11:07 am
by MediumTex
How about a barbell of EDV and GDXJ at 10% each and 80% 10 year treasurys?
Re: for VP consisting of precious metals, mining shares...use EDV as hedge?
Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 11:26 am
by Wonk
MediumTex wrote:
How about a barbell of EDV and GDXJ at 10% each and 80% 10 year treasurys?
For GDXJ, can't go back further than about a year and a half.
Re: for VP consisting of precious metals, mining shares...use EDV as hedge?
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 10:36 pm
by MediumTex
KevD wrote:
But for anyone just getting their feet wet, the wild swings can be TERRIFYING. :o
Only if they are down, right?

Re: for VP consisting of precious metals, mining shares...use EDV as hedge?
Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 10:58 am
by longeyes
According to ETFreplay, the correlation between GDX and EDV ranges between +0.25 and -0.25.
Re: for VP consisting of precious metals, mining shares...use EDV as hedge?
Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 2:34 pm
by murphy_p_t
well...i'm learning about volatility in the uranium explorers:(
EDV barely budged, by comparison
doubling down today...