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Poison as Medicine

Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2015 7:18 pm
by MachineGhost
Excelente!

[quote=http://discovermagazine.com/2015/april/ ... n-medicine]“I just kept doing this treatment and that treatment,”? says Ellie. Her condition was constantly worsening. She describes being stuck in bed or a wheelchair, not being able to think clearly, feeling like she’d lost her short-term memory and not feeling “smart”? anymore. Ellie kept fighting, with every antibiotic, every pharmaceutical, every holistic treatment she could find. “With some things I would get better for a little while, and then I would just relapse right back into this horrible Lyme nightmare. And with every relapse it got worse.”?

After fifteen years, she gave up.

“Nothing was working any more, and nobody had any answers for me,”? she says. “Doctors couldn’t help me. I was spending all this cash and was going broke, and when I got my last test results back and all my counts were just horrible, I knew right then and there that this was the end.”?

“I had outlived so many other people already,”? she says, having lost friends from Lyme support groups, including some who just couldn’t take the suffering any more. “I didn’t care if I was going to see my next birthday. It’s just enough. I was ready to call it a life and be done with it.”?

So she packed up everything and moved to California to die. And she almost did.

Less than a week after moving, Ellie was attacked by a swarm of Africanized bees.[/quote]

Re: Poison as Medicine

Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2015 9:24 pm
by Pointedstick
Fascinating. Forwarded to a friend who suffers from debilitating, so-far-incurable Lyme disease.

Re: Poison as Medicine

Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2015 10:42 pm
by dualstow
I saw a program on PBS in which an Italian doctor was alleviating arthritis with venom from a puffer fish or some kind of urchin.

Re: Poison as Medicine

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 9:38 am
by MachineGhost
Pointedstick wrote: Fascinating. Forwarded to a friend who suffers from debilitating, so-far-incurable Lyme disease.
You should also tell your friend about this -- which in IMO -- is likely the most effective approach so far to eradicating the persistent buggers (at least until this bee venom, which doesn't seem like a painless way to go): http://www.inspirednutrition.com/store/ ... sease.html

The key seems to be the variety of protease-degrading enzymes that dissolve the biofilms the nasty buggers hide behind, leaving them naked and exposed to the antibiotic being used.

I've been planning on trying it out myself for over a year now, but its a bit pricey for just an experiment (even though I'm rolling my own with the ingredients individually).

Re: Poison as Medicine

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 9:47 am
by Pointedstick
Thanks MG. Send that her way too.

Re: Poison as Medicine

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 3:31 pm
by sixdollars
Hormesis (from Greek hórm?sis "rapid motion, eagerness," from ancient Greek hormáein "to set in motion, impel, urge on") is the term for generally favorable biological responses to low exposures to toxins and other stressors. A pollutant or toxin showing hormesis thus has the opposite effect in small doses as in large doses.

...The biochemical mechanisms by which hormesis works are not well understood. It is conjectured that low doses of toxins or other stressors might activate the repair mechanisms of the body. The repair process fixes not only the damage caused by the toxin, but also other low-level damage that might have accumulated before without triggering the repair mechanism.
Sounds like it follows from some of the central tenets of hormesis to me, but who knows :/

Re: Poison as Medicine

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 3:38 pm
by MachineGhost
sixdollars wrote: Sounds like it follows from some of the central tenets of hormesis to me, but who knows :/
That probably wasn't the best title for the article.  It's not about the quack homeopathic pseudo-science approach, but bioagents in the toxic venoms that are potent antibiotics, immune stimulators, etc..