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Re: The Power Elite

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 8:09 am
by Libertarian666
If libertarianism were taking over the R and D parties, then those parties' attitudes toward NSA spying, FATCA, asset forfeiture, the drug war, and all the other depredations against people who have not even been accused of a crime against another person, much less convicted of one, would be 180 degrees from what they actually are.

A merger of corporations and government produces a type of political-economic system usually known as fascism.

Hope that helps.

Re: The Power Elite

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:08 am
by Pointedstick
Libertarian666 wrote: If libertarianism were taking over the R and D parties, then those parties' attitudes toward NSA spying, FATCA, asset forfeiture, the drug war, and all the other depredations against people who have not even been accused of a crime against another person, much less convicted of one, would be 180 degrees from what they actually are.

A merger of corporations and government produces a type of political-economic system usually known as fascism.
Then it seems the inescapable conclusion is that libertarianism (not anarchism) is or leads to fascism. If there is going to be a government, and that government is going to grant corporate charters, and that government is going to stay out of the marketplace for the most part and not really regulate corporations at all, but that government is going to continue to exist in the first place, and corporations are going to have power (especially political power) mostly unlimited by laws, then the obvious result is that corporations will be the dominant, driving influence in society, and will be able to use their power to work with government to do more or less whatever their owners or leaders want.

Re: The Power Elite

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 12:21 pm
by Libertarian666
Pointedstick wrote:
Libertarian666 wrote: If libertarianism were taking over the R and D parties, then those parties' attitudes toward NSA spying, FATCA, asset forfeiture, the drug war, and all the other depredations against people who have not even been accused of a crime against another person, much less convicted of one, would be 180 degrees from what they actually are.

A merger of corporations and government produces a type of political-economic system usually known as fascism.
Then it seems the inescapable conclusion is that libertarianism (not anarchism) is or leads to fascism. If there is going to be a government, and that government is going to grant corporate charters, and that government is going to stay out of the marketplace for the most part and not really regulate corporations at all, but that government is going to continue to exist in the first place, and corporations are going to have power (especially political power) mostly unlimited by laws, then the obvious result is that corporations will be the dominant, driving influence in society, and will be able to use their power to work with government to do more or less whatever their owners or leaders want.
Close but not quite complete. The complete answer is that all government leads to fascism, perhaps by a slightly different route.