The Poverty Cure

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The Poverty Cure: Get Married

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This doesn't get talked about enough but I suppose many on the left will say it's inherently racist or sexist.

[MachineGhost]

The Poverty Cure: Get Married

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This doesn't get talked about enough but I suppose many on the left will say it's inherently racist or sexist.

It doesn't get talked about much because 75% or so of black men are imprisoned and there's not enough non-imprisoned black men available for all of the black women.  The answer is in free sexual education and birth control at the community level to prevent the problem from occuring in the first place. 

The reason conservatives always like to harp on trifle band-aid solutions after the fact is because they haven't owned up to the reality that they are responsible for supporting policies that destroyed the black community in the first place.  Until that day, the left will just continue to roll its eyes at conservatism's predominantly white "out of touch elitism".

Which also just happens to be the two topics conservatives are anathema about.  So what do they do?  Try to find solutions that fit in with their ideology than actually work in the real world.

which out of touch elitist policies would those be? welfare state that eliminates the need for family and lets the government take the place of fathers.. or the constant bashing of christian values that the black community was using to become cohesive and strong in the 40s and 50s? it could be some other elitist value like rewarding merit but that would be hard to prove with all the successes that happen.... in spite of it being used to keep people down (IE- Ben Carson)

of course the first two are more often attributed to policy's of the elitist left than the conservatives, maybe you mean the war on drugs? ... that i could agree with for sure

[Fred]

It doesn't get talked about much because 75% or so of black men are imprisoned and there's not enough non-imprisoned black men available for all of the black women.

The real figure is 1 in every 15 black men incarcerated according to this website.....

https://www.americanprogress.org/issues ... ed-states/

I thinking you are confusing your number with the percentage of the prison population which is black, which the above website says is around 60%.

[MachineGhost]

I thinking you are confusing your number with the percentage of the prison population which is black, which the above website says is around 60%.

If that's true, then it doesn't seem like a problem of not enough black men available.  6.67% is kinda small.

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The reason conservatives always like to harp on trifle band-aid solutions after the fact is because they haven't owned up to the reality that they are responsible for supporting policies that destroyed the black community in the first place. Until that day, the left will just continue to roll its eyes at conservatism's predominantly white "out of touch elitism".

which out of touch elitist policies would those be? welfare state that eliminates the need for family and lets the government take the place of fathers.. or the constant bashing of christian values that the black community was using to become cohesive and strong in the 40s and 50s? it could be some other elitist value like rewarding merit but that would be hard to prove with all the successes that happen.... in spite of it being used to keep people down (IE- Ben Carson)

of course the first two are more often attributed to policy's of the elitist left than the conservatives, maybe you mean the war on drugs? ... that i could agree with for sure

I'm not sure what the actual reality is anymore, but blacks, minorities and women are still underrepresented in the commanding heights of the economy.  So I suspect Ben Carson is just an outlier as Obama was.  He's a stereotypical black religious nut, being a Seventh Day Adventist (as opposed to the more usual Evangelical).  Isn't it interesting how the "liberal" media doesn't bring up his skin color or religion?  He gets the white-handed genteel Uncle Tom glove treatment, while the other Republican candidates get the stupidest, irrelevant, retarded questions like "Donald Trump, are you a comic book character?", etc. from CNBC, a financial channel.  Not that I watch the mainsteram media anymore, but CNBC has lost any remaining respect with me.

But yes, I mean the FBI:

J. Edgar Hoover started COINTELPRO operations in 1967. The program was originally created to monitor domestic Communist activity. However, Hoover began to apply the program to any group or organization he deemed unpatriotic or dissenters from the social and economic status quo. This meant Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, the Black Panther Party, Nation of Islam (NOI), Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC), Community Health Free Clinics, Community Cooperative newspapers, and arts organizations such as the Watts Writers' Workshop were infiltrated with spies, harassed and targeted for disinformation campaigns regarding their activities.

It wasn't just the continuance of COINTELPRO operations against black elected officials that incensed Dr. Powers. As an FBI special agent, he worked at probably the most dangerous job in America -- black undercover drug agent. Powers worked three years undercover in Cincinnati and Detroit, witnessing first-hand the so-called war-on-drugs. "I testified before Congress that there is absolutely, unequivocally no war-on-drugs. I don't say this as a lay person, I say this from being an FBI agent for 10 years," says Powers. Indeed, Powers provides authoritative confirmation of what many African Americans intuitively believe but cannot prove.

The so-called war-on-drugs, confirms Powers, really has two components: racism and statistics. "The emphasis was on quantity, not quality. Because I can get one big-level dealer and catch him with a ton of cocaine, but guess what? On the statistics before Congress it registered as one arrest. I can get 10,000 of the brothers and sisters out here on the corner and send them all to prison and go before Congress and say that we took down 10,000 of the enemy troops from a very statistical standpoint before Congress -- that is what they are looking for," says Powers.

Have you ever wondered why the government's own statistics indicate the majority of crack cocaine users are white, yet 95 percent of crack cocaine convictions are African Americans? This wouldn't be a mystery question for Powers, who worked directly on crack cocaine cases.

"I recall specifically, working with white agents, we would go into the white community, and catch white kids, I mean 17, 18, the majority. We would catch these kids with cocaine or small bits of crack cocaine. The agent in charge of the investigation would take the drugs and release the kids so they would not have a criminal record. And I'm saying to myself, if the objective is to get drugs off the street, why are we not doing this in the black community?" This is when Powers really began to understand the political nature of the so-called war-on-drugs.

"They [white agents] understood that they did not want to give young white men or white women a criminal record, possibly a felony, which means they can never vote again, never own a firearm, so they understood this. Not only do you disenfranchise them but also you ultimately disenfranchise yourself, because you have just taken a vote away from your population based on a minor violation," says Powers.

...and the CIA:

For the better part of a decade, a San Francisco Bay Area drug ring sold tons of cocaine to the Crips and Bloods street gangs of Los Angeles and funneled millions in drug profits to a Latin American guerrilla army run by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency, a Mercury News investigation has found.

This drug network opened the first pipeline between Colombia's cocaine cartels and the black neighborhoods of Los Angeles, a city now known as the "crack" capital of the world. The cocaine that flooded in helped spark a crack explosion in urban America . . . and provided the cash and connections needed for L.A.'s gangs to buy automatic weapons.

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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3548962/ the documentary ""Freeway: Crack in the System (2015)"" covers the connection between the crack epidemic and the CIA Iran/contra a little bit, mostly from the LA street side of the story.. good documentary...

i am not so sure Ben Carson is an outlier, maybe for the upper-upper end of society, but there are countless families who work, own businesses send their kids to college etc who are no different from anyone else when it comes to earning based on merit,

Sure, but none of them are leading Presidential candidates and for good reason.  Its a tony, exclusive, elite club to be able to play in.  You must have all your ducks lined up in a row.  That's why Rubio sweats so much -- he has a lot of financial obligations he needs covered by becoming super-rich as President now that he's quitting his neglected Senate job.  It's not easy being on the Hedonistic Political Treadmill.