pp4me wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 3:24 pm
pmward wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 3:07 pm
pp4me wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 3:04 pm
Still makes absolutely no sense to me why Trump would be challenging election results in counties he already won. Or even why he would be looking at them. He has a specific purpose right now with limited time and resources so why would he do that and how is that shady behavior?
Well election are won by state not county. If what he is challenging is something that is state wide, like a state wide policy, then he shouldn't be only asking for the counties he lost to be thrown out... he should be asking for the entire state to be thrown out. Asking for anything less is shady. It's him saying that he is willing to accept state policies when they benefited him, but that those same policies are somehow illegal or not fair in the places it did not benefit him.
You're paying closer attention to these things than I am apparently, which could very well be true because I'm not paying very much.
I haven't heard that Trump is only trying to throw out counties he lost without looking at other counties in the same state. And I thought he did ask for a whole state's election to be overturned. Not sure which one - maybe Pennsylvania?
Won't be his decision any way. The courts have to decide all this. All Trump and team can do is file their complaints. They can ask for specific remedies but the courts aren't obliged to give it to them even if they do find the complaints to be justified.
Reminds me of Bush v Gore the way you put it. Gore also focused his energies on counties he thought he could win if they looked at all the hanging chads. Why wouldn't he? I don't recall anybody accusing him of being shady. The strategy made perfect sense but like I said it was up to the court in the end.
Yeah, Trump has made filings about state policies only challenging the specific counties he lost, not the entire state. Matter of fact, in a couple of the official rulings I read out of PA the judges specifically called this out as unfair directly in the ruling. Now he has also tried to throw full states out in some suits as well. But really, he's just trying to do whatever gets him elected, not what is fair. Is throwing millions of legal registered voters votes out fair? Is denying the right to vote of everyone in a county he did not win fair (or even legal)?
And you're absolutely right on the Gore comparison. Vinny was reading a book on the 2000 debacle and posted a few quotes here the other week that literally could have been made about the 2020 election. In 2000 the Gore campaign was being shady as well. Not to the extent Trump is now, but still shady. In the end the only thing these politicians care about is winning at all costs.
Let's create a hypothetical scenario here. Let's make a stretch and hypothetically say in this scenario 2020 was the most fair election in history. Let's say hypothetically there was enough immutability and traceability in the system to prove without a doubt that there was no fraud. I don't think it would change anything. I think Trump would be doing the same stuff he is doing now. This is just who Trump is. He doesn't accept loss. He tries to twist and manipulate the laws in any way he can. He never admits defeat. Whenever it appears he lost he has some excuse to try to justify it away. I know for a fact Trump doesn't care about fairness, if there actually was fraud there was fraud from both sides and he just lost the fraud fight. Trump only cares about winning at all costs.
