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Xan wrote: Mon Jan 31, 2022 10:06 am Sending random people to MIT who've had no education and demonstrated no aptitude on the off chance they're a diamond in the rough (and in order to satisfy some sense of fairness) is going to be far worse for them, for the school, and for society in general than sending people who have already worked hard at (say) physics, demonstrated aptitude, and that we KNOW will benefit hugely from an MIT education.
I don't know enough about affirmative action, but it isn't to this extent, is it?

Is it not more along the lines of a kid did really well, but was at a shitty inner city public school, and apples to apples would compare terribly on paper to the kid from the suburbs who had access to 25 AP courses and such?

Don't take me wrong, I am not saying any of this is right, but the people who are getting in on affirmative action still have to show good promise, just at a level lower than typical?

Am I understanding wrong here? I can't imagine these higher institutions are letting their graduation rates suffer to take in totally unqualified people?
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Cortopassi wrote: Mon Jan 31, 2022 12:28 pm
Xan wrote: Mon Jan 31, 2022 10:06 am Sending random people to MIT who've had no education and demonstrated no aptitude on the off chance they're a diamond in the rough (and in order to satisfy some sense of fairness) is going to be far worse for them, for the school, and for society in general than sending people who have already worked hard at (say) physics, demonstrated aptitude, and that we KNOW will benefit hugely from an MIT education.
I don't know enough about affirmative action, but it isn't to this extent, is it?

Is it not more along the lines of a kid did really well, but was at a shitty inner city public school, and apples to apples would compare terribly on paper to the kid from the suburbs who had access to 25 AP courses and such?

Don't take me wrong, I am not saying any of this is right, but the people who are getting in on affirmative action still have to show good promise, just at a level lower than typical?

Am I understanding wrong here? I can't imagine these higher institutions are letting their graduation rates suffer to take in totally unqualified people?
I guess I'm saying that at some point it doesn't matter whether they had access to the APs or not: the better bet is somebody who DID do well on all those APs, not somebody who MIGHT have. Regardless of fairness, the Chinese will be doing what they do.
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Xan wrote: Mon Jan 31, 2022 1:15 pm I guess I'm saying that at some point it doesn't matter whether they had access to the APs or not: the better bet is somebody who DID do well on all those APs, not somebody who MIGHT have. Regardless of fairness, the Chinese will be doing what they do.
I get what you are saying Xan and I don't disagree that we need to nurture the minds of our best and brightest. I just hope that China doesn't become the standard for how things are best done.

Speaking of China, a lot of the students that are sent here to the US for college are kids of super rich parents, many of them with CCP family connections. Within China it's more of a meritocracy where only the best students get spots at Beijing Daxue (also called Peking University) and other elite universities.
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barrett wrote: Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:03 pm
Xan wrote: Mon Jan 31, 2022 1:15 pm I guess I'm saying that at some point it doesn't matter whether they had access to the APs or not: the better bet is somebody who DID do well on all those APs, not somebody who MIGHT have. Regardless of fairness, the Chinese will be doing what they do.
I get what you are saying Xan and I don't disagree that we need to nurture the minds of our best and brightest. I just hope that China doesn't become the standard for how things are best done.

Speaking of China, a lot of the students that are sent here to the US for college are kids of super rich parents, many of them with CCP family connections. Within China it's more of a meritocracy where only the best students get spots at Beijing Daxue (also called Peking University) and other elite universities.
A very good point. Probably very hard to resist the temptation at universities. Foreign students seem to almost always pay full price, whereas many US based ones need aid of some sort.

A lot of moving parts. Not only merit is considered, but I am sure ability to pay full price factors in, even though all say their admissions are need blind.
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Schools across America implement BLM Week of Action that calls for 'disruption of Western nuclear family'

Schools across America are implementing the Black Lives Matter at School Week of Action curriculum that calls for the "disruption of Western nuclear family dynamics."

The week of action started on Monday in several schools from Washington state to Massachusetts, bringing to classrooms the activist-based curriculum that preaches controversial ideas.
. . .
"Under the cover of a week of action, called ‘Black Lives Matter at School,’ children as young as five years old are being trained how to be political activists," Nomani continued. "What we are witnessing is state-sponsored political indoctrination, using coloring books, downloadable slide shows and contests to teach a next generation ‘social justice activism,’ in the program’s own words."

"We need radicalization out of schools, especially as children struggle with learning loss from the pandemic, and reading, writing and arithmetic back in schools," Nomani added.
link
From BLM's website:
End Zero Tolerance. Focus our Schools on Restorative Justice.
The use of zero tolerance in public schools stops now. The over-policing, out of control suspensions, and expulsions must be brought to an immediate end. To rebuild our structures, we will focus our resources on restorative justice-the organic appointment of community leaders;mediation and processing; and equitable perspectives on rehabilitation. Ending zero tolerance and focusing our schools around restorative justice will honor an autonomous voice and vision for students, staff and faculty.
This has already been covered here (I think in this thread). Fully retarded.
Racist policies in schools and biased skills examseliminate Black and Brown teaching candidates. We must increase teacher retention andopportunities for teachers of color.
LOL. The last study I saw showed that children of all races do better under non-black teachers, but while black students do better under black teachers, all other races do worse, IIRC.
Black Families
creates a space that is family friendly and free from patriarchal practices.

Black Women
We build a space that affirms Black women and is free from sexism, misogyny, and environments in which men are centered.

Black Villages
is the disruption of Western nuclear family dynamics and a return to the“collective village” that takes care of each other. Black Women is the building of women-centered spaces free from sexism, misogyny, and male-centeredness.
Some guiding principles of BLM.

Anyways, as always, I'm very thankful my parents loved me and sent me to a school where the teachers weren't evil shitbags.
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Kriegsspiel wrote: Wed Feb 02, 2022 11:30 am
Schools across America implement BLM Week of Action that calls for 'disruption of Western nuclear family'

Schools across America are implementing the Black Lives Matter at School Week of Action curriculum that calls for the "disruption of Western nuclear family dynamics."

The week of action started on Monday in several schools from Washington state to Massachusetts, bringing to classrooms the activist-based curriculum that preaches controversial ideas.
. . .
"Under the cover of a week of action, called ‘Black Lives Matter at School,’ children as young as five years old are being trained how to be political activists," Nomani continued. "What we are witnessing is state-sponsored political indoctrination, using coloring books, downloadable slide shows and contests to teach a next generation ‘social justice activism,’ in the program’s own words."

"We need radicalization out of schools, especially as children struggle with learning loss from the pandemic, and reading, writing and arithmetic back in schools," Nomani added.
link
From BLM's website:
End Zero Tolerance. Focus our Schools on Restorative Justice.
The use of zero tolerance in public schools stops now. The over-policing, out of control suspensions, and expulsions must be brought to an immediate end. To rebuild our structures, we will focus our resources on restorative justice-the organic appointment of community leaders;mediation and processing; and equitable perspectives on rehabilitation. Ending zero tolerance and focusing our schools around restorative justice will honor an autonomous voice and vision for students, staff and faculty.
This has already been covered here (I think in this thread). Fully retarded.
Racist policies in schools and biased skills examseliminate Black and Brown teaching candidates. We must increase teacher retention andopportunities for teachers of color.
LOL. The last study I saw showed that children of all races do better under non-black teachers, but while black students do better under black teachers, all other races do worse, IIRC.
Black Families
creates a space that is family friendly and free from patriarchal practices.

Black Women
We build a space that affirms Black women and is free from sexism, misogyny, and environments in which men are centered.

Black Villages
is the disruption of Western nuclear family dynamics and a return to the“collective village” that takes care of each other. Black Women is the building of women-centered spaces free from sexism, misogyny, and male-centeredness.
Some guiding principles of BLM.

Anyways, as always, I'm very thankful my parents loved me and sent me to a school where the teachers weren't evil shitbags.
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Some things don't change much. Example: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=ESV

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Put not your trust in princes, in a son of man, in whom there is no help. Psalm 146:3
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